50 trim or evo3 16G for a daily driver

[fatboyq]

so Im looking to buying a dsm soon, I have seen 3 already and have 3 more to go. I plan on driving my dsm to work daily and have some fun on the street on friday night etc. I doubt I will see the track often if at all. with that in mind what is the quickest spooling turbo out there for the street. I want to pull to redline and start making boost around 3k rpm.

is a .50 trim too much of a turbo for a daily driver sitting in traffic etc. I hear they make crazy power with supporting mods.

will the car be less reliable with a non mitsu turbo like the 50 trim? i have had some people tell me so.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I think the moral of the long winded, fairly off topic story is... the Evo III doesn't make the power everyone would like to think it does.

 

[DSMunknown]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1867770&postcount=15 (if you're gonna click any of these, this is the one to click)

Andy's second link does not currently work. Either post up a working link or notify Andy himself to fix it.

 

[LRS95TSI]

i would just rather see a moderator close this stupid thread...there has been 283746872134 threads about 50 trim vs. evo3...
it is a NOOBS or BEGINNERs job to use the search function...i only have 2XX posts because all i do is search and learn, you hardly ever have to post a new thread if you just search...i leave it up to the mods to clean up archived threads to make them useful...this thread has gotten off topic and way over discussed, and alot of sarcasm i a noobs post doesn't help the situation MYBEATGSX, quit staying pissed over your other thread that got closed.

to the guy:
set a goal for yourself first. if you want x horsepower, pick the turbo that will get it there without a crazy tune and crazy mods...the evo is honestly going to land you 300-320whp with a decent tune and 20-22 psi i think. if you want more...the 50 trim will get you there...

IMHO i would purchase the bb 50 trim...after having the evo3 i actually love the turbo, but it would be nice to feel a bigger punch without getting to specific with the tune and overall car performance....plus for me, i'm tired of locals running their mouth about 16g's being weak sos, so i will be upgrading eventually and getting outta that topic! goodluck

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Andy's second link does not currently work. Either post up a working link or notify Andy himself to fix it.

They must have changed the layout on the site since the original post. Here is an updated link for you.
http://www.torco.com/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=163

i would just rather see a moderator close this stupid thread...there has been 283746872134 threads about 50 trim vs. evo3...
it is a NOOBS or BEGINNERs job to use the search function...i only have 2XX posts because all i do is search and learn, you hardly ever have to post a new thread if you just search...i leave it up to the mods to clean up archived threads to make them useful...this thread has gotten off topic and way over discussed, and alot of sarcasm i a noobs post doesn't help the situation MYBEATGSX, quit staying pissed over your other thread that got closed.

to the guy:
set a goal for yourself first. if you want x horsepower, pick the turbo that will get it there without a crazy tune and crazy mods...the evo is honestly going to land you 300-320whp with a decent tune and 20-22 psi i think. if you want more...the 50 trim will get you there...

IMHO i would purchase the bb 50 trim...after having the evo3 i actually love the turbo, but it would be nice to feel a bigger punch without getting to specific with the tune and overall car performance....plus for me, i'm tired of locals running their mouth about 16g's being weak sos, so i will be upgrading eventually and getting outta that topic! goodluck

I was going to leave this alone cause it's partly my fault this thread has gotten off topic, but while you're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

Closed or not, this thread is useful, regardless if the subject matter has been discussed before. A key component of "forum" is open discussion. Regardless if a topic has been dicussed previously it is always fun and often interesting to discuss the subject matter to better understand it and gain new perspectives. Thats just how I feel about it.

Also no one is perfect, no me not you and not MyBeatGSX. And at risk of speaking for Tyler, I think your comment about "...quit staying pissed about your closed thread.." is pretty unfair and kind of adversarial for you to say.

I think we all need to just lighten up a bit.
I broke my tailbone a last week so I've been fairly irritable, sorry if it has leaked into the forums.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I think people fail to realize and that at one point or another, EVERYTHING has been discussed before. If we followed that rule to the letter then there would be no activity in any forum but the hangout.

So of course its been discussed before, but as long as the new discussion brings new experiences and information to the table, then what's the problem? Nothing in this topic that I or PieEyed said was off topic. The guy asked about 50 trim's and Evo III's. He now has a lot more information about both. Instead of just handing people a turbo and making up their minds for them, why not post up experience and real world fact and let them come to their own conclusions.

"What turbo should I run?" Doesn't have to be answered like this:

Post 1: "Evo III"
Post 2: "50 trim"
Post 3: "Evo III"
Post 4: "T76"
Post 5: "K03"


That isn't staying on topic, that's just shooting off your opinion. Like PieEyed said, its a FORUM, which is meant for DISCUSSION of the topic. And that's exactly what's going on here.

 

[MCDGexx]

What would be the best turbo to run 350fwhp on stock internals and have room to up that if you wanted to, and that is good for DD and has good spool up?

 

[DSMunknown]

What would be the best turbo to run 350fwhp on stock internals and have room to up that if you wanted to, and that is good for DD and has good spool up?

Are you kidding me?

 

[MyBeatGSX]

He hasn't been paying attention. Here I'll sum it up and save him read the other topic too.

For >320whp: 50 Trim

For <320whp: Evo III


That about sums it up. I'd say 300whp, not 320, but we'll compromise for all the Evo III humpers.

 

[ILLiCliPSE]

Are you kidding me?

A guy on here just made 400+awhp w/ his 50 trim ....7 bolt with a stock block, stock head, and stock cams....and if Im not mistaken, stock intake manifold.

 

[DGajre777]

A guy on here just made 400+awhp w/ his 50 trim ....7 bolt with a stock block, stock head, and stock cams....and if Im not mistaken, stock intake manifold.

99GST_RACER - http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=71795

"27 psi, 22* timing advance, and an AFR of 12.3:1. T3 50-trim and 110 Sunoco fuel. Bone stock block, head, and intake manifold, as well as original composite head gasket and original head bolts. 403 WHP."

 

[Samzer]

Ive heard only good things about the Big EVO III. I havent heard much about the 50 trims.

 

[DSMunknown]

Ive heard only good things about the Big EVO III.

There is no such thing at a "Big EVO III" turbocharger.


There are these though:

~Small 16G
~16G
~Big 16G
~EvoIII 16G
~ported EvoIII 16G

On a side note, I suppose I could list the turbos as being ported or un-ported, but I'm not sure if I see the point in porting a smaller version of a turbocharger when there are other types that have larger flow passages without being ported.

I havent heard much about the 50 trims.

Then you need to do a search.




Getting back on topic, I would like to see exactly why MyBeatGSX is making significantly less whp than people like donmajicjuan or ShapeGSX. Let's not turn this into bench racing, but instead let's take a close look at the reasons for the significant differences.

 

[siceclipse]

its his shitty COP setup.

dont worry buddy, im on it!

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I don't think its the COP, its definatly crap but not 30-50hp worth of crap.

Reasons why:

1. Shape runs with what is essentially a welded shut WG
2. They both have cams
3. They have real exhausts
4. Head work maybe??
5. SMIM's??


Basically they have lots of supporting stuff that I'm unwilling to spend money on for a tiny turbo. I said this in the other topic, you can build a skyscraper off your house's foundation if you invest millions is supplimental support. But why not just build off a proper foundation and you not only won't need that stuff for an equally high building, but you'll spend less money doing it. If you want to go even higher, then you can get into the supplimental stuff. Everyone has it backward, you build from the bottom up, not from the top down. Everyone gets all this supporting hardware when they don't even have a turbo that can take advantage of it. Get a properly sized turbo and then when you're actually outflowing the stock cams go get some new ones, then when the IM is maxed go buy a SMIM. There's no need for cams, head work and SMIM that flow so much air that the tiny turbo can't even hold boost. This community is brainwashed into doing things backwards. Why don't we all get build heads and rev to 10k to make more power on the T25s?

You spend tons of money trying to help a tiny turbo make big power, or you can just buy a turbo that's properly sized to the power you want to make. I proved my point with the compressor maps in the other topic, no one can even argue against it anymore and I don't mind analyzing why I make no power, but I don't want to start the war again.

 

[ILLiCliPSE]

99GST_RACER - http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=71795

"27 psi, 22* timing advance, and an AFR of 12.3:1. T3 50-trim and 110 Sunoco fuel. Bone stock block, head, and intake manifold, as well as original composite head gasket and original head bolts. 403 WHP."

 

[iceman21221]

Your profile would suggest you're still on a stock turbo. Have you driven both an E3 and a 50 trim?

NO but i have driven a regular big16g and a precision turbo & engine SCM6152E. id rather run pump gas on a E316g then 110 race gas on a 600 hp turbo. Yeah sure some people do it but we are talking about what would be a more normal efficient daily driver. Thats also just my opinion....

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Yea because my 70/30 pump/race mix I need for my horribly over boosted Evo III makes for a really efficient daily driver. Only $45 a fill for 280awhp!


Smaller turbos = higher octane needed. Not the other way around.

 

[elfroggo]

Methanol injection. But I know you're against that since you think it's a "bandaid"

 

[kawboy]

So the final choice is?

I'd also like to know which is the best option, as I'll be replacing my blown PTE GT32

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Methanol injection. But I know you're against that since you think it's a "bandaid"

It is. I'll spend money on race gas all day long before I'll put a tank of that crap in my car. The $300+ it costs for a kit (not including the meth) covers my race gas mix for the next 6 months, and I don't have to worry about my tank running out, or that one time I go WOT and the thing fails to spray.

 

[chanley talon]

I personally think the evo3 is overated as well . But there is no doubt that is a good street turbo . I have used the evo3 and a small 16g . The power delievery of the small 16g is very quick . The evo 3 seems to delay and then explodes all at one time . For street turbo i like the small 16g my auto turns 8.2s in the eighth with that turbo . I have a stock torque converter as well . But if i was going to upgrade i would go straight to a 50 trim .
As far as fuel goes airplane fuel seems to work good 110 octane! I tried dr.pepper to . Fizzed like heck. haha

 

[danyz250f]

I to want a new turbo. Mods are in profile. The evo pulls hard at 18-20 lbs i guess hard enough for my df centerforce clutch to slip. (Man that pissed me off, It is like 2 months old.) But I want 11s. The evo can get me there but come on. I want some thing that can get me there with out much work. I am an average boy and I dont have an awd dyno within 5 hours of here.

I want 400whp. It is starting to sound like a 50trim is not big enough. I need to get a turbo from a company that says it will make 545 hp just so I can hit the 400hp mark.

My evo spools at 3500 20psi. Slow I think so going to like 4000 shouldnt be that big of a deal. Also mine seems to fall off, it might be something else but it stops pulling after 6500. After 7k+ is pointles.

Any suggestions on my case would be greatly appreciated. I would like to spend under 1000 dollars on a mitsu style internaly gated turbo. That will really get me the 400whp and 11 second timeslip.

 

[SaiyanFury]

I have used the evo3 and a small 16g . The power delievery of the small 16g is very quick . The evo 3 seems to delay and then explodes all at one time.

Try the EVOIII with cams it makes the punch all the more apparent. Personally, I love my EVOIII, I love the feeling it delivers. Of course, I do have the HKS cams, and that does change the breathing. It has little pickup until about 3000 then it's like a rocket sled. It just starts working great. But this is only the opinion of one EVOIII lover.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Any suggestions on my case would be greatly appreciated. I would like to spend under 1000 dollars on a mitsu style internaly gated turbo. That will really get me the 400whp and 11 second timeslip.

CanadianTSi went 11.8's on his ETE32 (I think that's what he has? it's a 50 trim) with an SAFC2 It's is entirely possible to go 11's on a 50 trim. It just takes a little more boost a good tune.

 

[DSMunknown]

CanadianTSi went 11.8's on his ETE32 (I think that's what he has? it's a 50 trim) with an SAFC2 It's is entirely possible to go 11's on a 50 trim. It just takes a little more boost a good tune.

Just to give the extreme example I like to refer to from time to time (as well as back in post #6) - ShapeGSX has also gone 11.8's with his unported Evo III 16G and DSM Link. But he's a wizard




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