272 Cam install, Last minute tips? Please help.

[1993eclipseGS]

I just recieved my Dks 272 cams, I'm going to be installing them tomorrow. I was just wondering if there is anything important that I should know, Before I start? I got an old school torque wrench, For the cam caps etc.

Now, I was going to do what i've seen a few people do before, Can I definatly do this?

I was going to put zipties on the cam gears, To ziptie the timing belt into place onto each of the cam gears. And then when I loosened up the cam gear bolts, I was going to keep tension on the timing belt, So it didn't move. I was then going to drove the cams in, Put the bolts back into the cams/gears, And torque down the cam caps. Should I still check the timing marts or belt to make sure they are still fine? Do I need to have a timing belt tensioner tool or anything, Being I am keeping tension on the belt so it does not move out of place? I will have a friend hold the cam gears up..

If anyone has any last minute pointers, Please do not be afraid to post, As I would really appreciate the help.

Cams are one of the only things I have never installed so far. As far as the lifters, I seen that I may need to shim them, So in order to know if they need to be shimmed or not, I take it that I need to lay the cam gear in and put the caps on, And if it does not sit flush on the rockers, I will need to shim them, Correct? To use the shims, I just take the lifters out, And put the shim down the whole, And put the lifters back in , Correct? I take it I will need to get all of the oil etc out of the lifters, From what I have read?

Thanks alot!

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Take some oil and run it around the parts where the cams are bolted down to pre-lube them a bit. I haven't shimmed my FP2's at all.

Personally, I would never try the zip-tie timing method. Taking a timing belt off is way too easy to possibly sacrifice a motor over.

Good luck,

 

[1993eclipseGS]

The timing belt is one thing I never messed with, Being I always ''heard'' how ''hard'' it is to do, Or something.. I could have them put in on saturday, But I was trying to save $200 labor.. I also do not have a tensioner tool.

 

[RamenPride]

I was going to put zipties on the cam gears, To ziptie the timing belt into place onto each of the cam gears.

you must be talking about this method:
http://diy.prostreetonline.com/howto/showarticle.asp?articleid=34

anyhow, if you don't compress the hydraulic tensioner, I'm guessing you're going to have a very hard time getting the cam gears back on when you're done.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I cannot find my book on how to do the timing belt, But I do not have a tensioner tool. I just would have rather saved $200! If there was someone local that would help me, I would have gave them some money!!

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Just wanted to update and said I got the cams out, I ziptied the cam gears/timing belt! I then used a socket wrench and breaks bar and got the cam gear bolts off...

Anyways, New cams are in, And I did not touch the timing belt at all.. It was just a pain to get the gears back on the cams without having any slack to play with in the cam gears!

 

[dnhieu]

I always hated doing that method because putting the cam gears on is a pain in the ass. but taking a timing belt off on a 1g is a pain too (to me anyways). i hear on a 2g its pretty simple tho...

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I'm not sure about the 2gs, I have a 6bolt swapped car! It was a pain to do it with out touching the timing belt, But for me it was the way I would have wanted to do it so I did not need to come in contact with the timing belt!

 

[1fast97gsx]

If your car is not a swapped 6 bolt you can use your battery tie down bolt ( the long ass skinny bolt ) and thread it into where the tensioner tool goes. This is basically doing the same as the tool would since all the tool does it put pressure against the arm to loosen up the belt. Just turn it till it's pretty tight, let it sit, turn it more, let it sit, turn some more and so on. You should be able to easily get the gears back on this way. Worst case, go to ace hardware and buy a strong bolt with the proper thread size / pitch and screw it in there. Thats all a tensioner tool is. I have it somewhere, but I don't remember the thread off hand.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I have a 6bolt swapped car, The cams are in the car now! Thanks for the tip though, And I like your car ALOT

 

[dnhieu]

If your car is not a swapped 6 bolt you can use your battery tie down bolt ( the long ass skinny bolt ) and thread it into where the tensioner tool goes. This is basically doing the same as the tool would since all the tool does it put pressure against the arm to loosen up the belt. Just turn it till it's pretty tight, let it sit, turn it more, let it sit, turn some more and so on. You should be able to easily get the gears back on this way. Worst case, go to ace hardware and buy a strong bolt with the proper thread size / pitch and screw it in there. Thats all a tensioner tool is. I have it somewhere, but I don't remember the thread off hand.

so your saying that i can un tension the timing belt tensioner, take the cam gears off, take old cams out, put new cams in, put cam gears back on, then tension the tensioner back up again with out timing being messed up?

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I also had heard that, But I did it the easier way for me, But harder for some

 

[blcknspo0ln]

The thread is 8 x 1.25. You can easily make a tool by buying the rod already threaded at a local hardware store and double nutting the end of it. I must stress, taking the timing belt off properly is EASIER than most would think. I did my T-belt job the first time 6 months ago and once you dig into the process, you find it is rather very simple to do. There's no reason to worry about messing it up yourself because there are several "check points" that you need to OK to make sure you don't screw up your timing.

 

[TSIfreek]

Make sure you double check your timing by turning the motor over at least 4 times with the spark plugs out.
This job is not that hard really once you do it a coupple times is like changing a valve cover gasket. Double check your work make sure the intake cam gear goes on the intake cam etc for some reason my timing marks did not line up perfect when I had them switched.
What I do that is really easy for me is have all your timing marks lined up before you take the tension off the belt. That way you know that both cam pins go on straight up and the crank is set to TDC. You will have to play with the intake and exhust cams and crank to get every thing lined back up but once you have it done you know its right.

 

[1fast97gsx]

The thread is 8 x 1.25. You can easily make a tool by buying the rod already threaded at a local hardware store and double nutting the end of it. I must stress, taking the timing belt off properly is EASIER than most would think. I did my T-belt job the first time 6 months ago and once you dig into the process, you find it is rather very simple to do. There's no reason to worry about messing it up yourself because there are several "check points" that you need to OK to make sure you don't screw up your timing.

Exactly, the thing people have the hardest time with other than lining the marks up is making sure the tension is correct though if they actually undo the tension pulley.

Yes you can just thread a long bolt or even a rod with 2 nuts locked together in the hole and compress the auto tensioner that way. If you do that then it gives you more slack in the belt and you can easily reattach the cam gears to the cams.

 

[ITSME4G63]

If your car is not a swapped 6 bolt you can use your battery tie down bolt ( the long ass skinny bolt ) and thread it into where the tensioner tool goes. This is basically doing the same as the tool would since all the tool does it put pressure against the arm to loosen up the belt. Just turn it till it's pretty tight, let it sit, turn it more, let it sit, turn some more and so on. You should be able to easily get the gears back on this way. Worst case, go to ace hardware and buy a strong bolt with the proper thread size / pitch and screw it in there. Thats all a tensioner tool is. I have it somewhere, but I don't remember the thread off hand.

or you can use the alternator tensioner bolt as well on this. Thats how mitsu mechanics actually do timing belt jobs, they stick a bolt in there, put a air ratchet on it, when the timings done, loosen the bi*** up and theyre done.

 

[1fast97gsx]

or you can use the alternator tensioner bolt as well on this. Thats how mitsu mechanics actually do timing belt jobs, they stick a bolt in there, put a air ratchet on it, when the timings done, loosen the bi*** up and theyre done.

I didn't think that bolt was long enough?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I didn't think that bolt was long enough?

If you think about it, all you really need is about 8" or so.

 

[elementalwindx]

Geez you guys. I just take the darn tensioner off and use a c-clamp to compress it and put a pin in, thats so much easier for me than playing with some tensioner tool . Timing belts are so easy to do. Just stick as close to the book as possible.

I'm setting my 3rd timing belt ever tomorrow, I got use to it after the 2nd one. But my first two were on 2g 7bolts, this is on a 90' 6bolt :-\

P.S. Its easy as #### when theres no balance shafts cause then you dont have to worry about lining up those sprockets.

 

[AL92]

You can't use the tensioner tool on 6 bolt in 2g swaps. The rod dont' go thru there.I guess you could maybe drill and tap the mount.