20G-6SL2 Street/Strip Turbocharger

[doggo]

Have you checked FP's site? The manis are selling for group buy prices nowadays.

$275 for the cast mani is what I see, GB price is $175.

 

[delta448]

$175 !!!????? WTF
I paid $325 on the first group buy!

Edit:I had to check to make sure the price really dropped that much. Man I really feel like I got ripped off, that's like almost half price.

 

[FonZ454]

$275 for the cast mani is what I see, GB price is $175.

$175 was the uncoated price, and I believe $275 is what I payed for my coated manifold during the group buy.

The price before was $325 uncoated, $425 coated, so I consider this a damn good price.

 

[We're on Boost]

Doggo, I see you are using the Punishment recirc O2 with a Tial 38mm external on your 20g. That's a setup I'm thinking about going to. Do you have any pics looking down on the Tial, where you can see how much clearance there is between the Tial and the radiator? I've heard it gets pretty close there.

Took a look at your ISC page - love it. Really a great thing that you could get a line on those things right from the mfr and make them available at such a low price.

Hey, do you have a dyno graph you could show for that 20g, the 353 whp? I'd like to see how hard it's pulling at 4000 rpm.

Gary

 

[Black_Bullet]

Doggo, i didnt have time to view your profile but a coldair intake worked awesome for me. Cheap,simple and effective... Also, Just straighten out you blow by problem, make sure it doesnt have exhaust or boost leaks and get the tune as aggressive as your comfortable going.... More boost is the key to getting the numbers you want. Cams and the fp Mani will do wonders.... Id get FP2xs like said earlier if you have the money for what they require. The BC272s are what i have and they are cheap and they get the job done nicely also.... Cam gear tuning to exract more helps as well.

 

[doggo]

Black_bullet-

What do you mean by cold air intake? I have a GM blow thru setup, so no MAF on the turbo intake; the MAF is installed between the FMIC and the throttlebody. Show me an example of what you mean? I do agree I wish I had got my turbo intake piped so the filter was in the passenger wheel well area where the old SMIC used to be mounted. Air there is MUCH cooler, than anywhere IN the motor bay.

'Fixing' the blowby problem on my current motor is going to take a rebuild, so nix on that until this winter at least. Then I might do a real built motor over the winter.

I'm thinking cams and FP mani, but FP just said they are out of the uncoated versions:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/vendor-announcements/278245-forced-performance-race-manifold-group-buy-3-a.html

and have customers on back order. And there seems to be another GB in the wind if you read between the lines here: , so I might wait for that as it is a $100 savings.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

I'd really like to see some comparison of the Buschur 20g and the FP 20g. I've wanted a BR 20g turbo for YEARS after riding in a buddy's car that had a built bottom end with stock head, and a SMIM. That car totally hauled. One of the faster dsm's I've been in aside from my own. 20g's turbos have been my favorite turbos for years on a 2.0L Dsm.

Very good spool down low and plenty to offer up top as well. I just love em. I have a 50 trim right now but would love to sell it to get one of these. I know the BR 20g has hit 10's but wondering if it was ported and clipped or not. Would like to see some more numbers out of the FP 20g as well.

 

[Black_Bullet]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/298216-cold-air-intake-project.html

 

[olmytsi]

BUUUUUUUUUUUMP.

I'm looking into this turbo, any guys running it want to give me some feedback?

 

[chavez408]

How much they still go for?

 

[olmytsi]

$999.00 Forced Performance Turbochargers: DSM 20G-6SL2 Street/Strip Turbocharger

 

[e85_4g63]

I know this is an old thread, but any updates? Dyno sheets? 1/4's?

 

[We're on Boost]

I've been wondering about this too.
Amber at FP has one, and Doggo has one, that's about all I know about.
I would think that FP would pour a little bit of money on Amber's car and some free labor to get it rockin with some impressive numbers. Would spur sales you know?
Now with the compact 38mm Tial wastegate available, when Punishment finally gets their O2 pipe for it on the market, you could make a real nice kit out of it with the 20g and the FP race manifold.

Gary

 

[e85_4g63]

^ Was that a hint for a package deal from Tim at Punishment Racing? , I think yes!

 

[We're on Boost]

^ Was that a hint for a package deal from Tim at Punishment Racing? , I think yes!

Sure, or from FP, or ETS, or whoever. I do think that the new little wastegate makes this type of setup more attractive then ever before.

Gary

 

[e85_4g63]

I sent Tim an email, haven't heard anything though. Not one person with this turbo has posted feed back, weird. I've been checking FP's website to, still no updated dyno sheets. What gives?

 

[e85_4g63]

Not trying to be king of bring back old threads here but, it's easier then starting new ones for no reason. What's the last on these 20g combo's? Anyone still using them? I heard a couple 18g 6sl2's had some issue's. I'm starting the think it's time to leave the MHI turbo's to rest in peace and jump on the B/W wagon. There has to be people on here with real world info. What kind of pump gas (non e85) numbers are people making? $1,000 for a 20g is a bit high also I feel.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

The numbers and data haven't changed from last this thread was brought up. The 20G is still an ridiculously awesome street turbo, save for the cost (which is why they have lost popularity).

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Not trying to be king of bring back old threads here but, it's easier then starting new ones for no reason. What's the last on these 20g combo's? Anyone still using them? I heard a couple 18g 6sl2's had some issue's. I'm starting the think it's time to leave the MHI turbo's to rest in peace and jump on the B/W wagon. There has to be people on here with real world info. What kind of pump gas (non e85) numbers are people making? $1,000 for a 20g is a bit high also I feel.

Heck, if ya ask a question that's been posted before it's "use the search function", and if ya post to an existing thread it's bring back a thread from the dead. You can't win. Lol.

Anyway, it's odd that no one has posted ANY info on this thing. I can't imagine that no one is buying them. Regardless, I don't think anyone has ran a faster time than what has been put down on the BR20g. Unless someone can post otherwise. Knowing this, I've decided I'll be going with the BR20g when the time finally comes.

 

[dsm-onster]

Maybe you have the skills Buschur has. . . But the td06sl2 20g flows more out the tail pipe than the td05h BR 20g. Why try to push 20g horsepower out of a 16g hotside?

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Maybe it flows more. Fine....back it up with numbers at the track. How does spool time compare? How many people have hit 10's with this thing? Personally, I could give a rats ass about it flowing more if it can't make better numbers at the track. Plenty of people in my area have huge turbos that flow more than a E16g but haven't been able to put down better numbers than me at the track. Heck, my T-67 might "flow" more than all the other turbos I've owned but spool time on a 2.0L SUCKED!!!! So I got rid of it. Show me better numbers at the track, and maybe I'll consider getting a different turbo.

 

[dsm-onster]

Reall, I could care less which turbo you switch to . It's your choice and it's your car.

The spool time has already been verified to be about full boost by about 4K. 20ish psi around 3800rpms. If your spool time goes from what evo 3 16g can do to 3800rpms and you can't see better track results in MPH with the better flowing turbo then you can't build a car. If a turbo flows more why would you not make more power? Isn't the point getting more air into the motor? BTW laggier turbos than your t67 has done 9s so you didn't make your point. Why would you install a 9second turbo and not build a motor to support it. Then claim that 'it was too laggie, so that's why I didn't run 11s' That's a joke right since Buschur ran a 7 second pass with a t67. You should have stuck with that t67, maybe? It has a better ET. There are lots of turbos that spool a little later than your br 20g that kill that Buschur MPH and weigh more. Maybe you have the skillset Buschur has though. . .

The dyno difference of the td06sl hotside vs. the td05h 16g hotside (what a BR 20g has) released by AMS clearly shows a major flow increase at even a meager wheel horsepower. If you cant take that flow potential difference to a better track MPH then again you can't build a car. Swapping just to a better flowing a/r turbine housing (hahn super 20g) will give you 7mph better results than BR's results. Click. How can you say a better flowing turbine wheel than the 16g turbine wheel won't net better results with a 20g compressor?

Speaking of MPH. That is what determines if a turbo or any upgrade puts out more power. ET is clouded by driver skill and whole car setup (weight, suspension, rubber, transmission and gearing and how the powerband matches). The raw horsepower performance of the motor can really be secondary. Take a look at the 14b record. I guess we should all stick with the 14b since bucci's 14b record demolishes the BR 20g record . The 14b spools faster too. So EVEN MORE street fun.

 

[v8s_are_slow]

Well, for starters, I wasn't aware that the FP20g was spooling faster than the BR20g. But if that's the case, thanks for the info. As for the link you posted, I dunno how fair that would be being that it's taking nitrous to get the Hahn's 20g to hit 10's whereas the BR20g is hitting 10's without it.

I'm sure there's plenty of turbos that'll flow more and get better numbers than a 20g, but that's not the purpose of the thread. This one is specifically for the FP20g. Maybe it flows more and all that, but where's the track numbers? I haven't seen any. You have any to post?

And to be fair, I guess that I should point out that I'm sure it's harder to get these numbers since not everyone is going out and buying 20g's these days, compared to back in the day when the BR20g was a much more popular turbo and everyone was going out and getting them. Still, if I'm gonna choose between a turbo that's gonna be costing me over $1k, I'm going with the one that has the proof to back up what it can do. That's a lot of money to fork out on a turbo to be a guinea pig on something new that no one really knows much about. Not me, thanks.

As for my T-67, sure it has hit 10's, but it's not much fun on the street compared to a turbo like a 20g

 

[We're on Boost]

I'm sure it's harder to get these numbers since not everyone is going out and buying 20g's these days

True, and on the evo side the evo Green is selling a lot slower these days since the evo Red came out with a bang. It was only a few years ago that Buschur made some posts about how much of an improvement the new compressor wheel made when they were developing the evo green from whatever it was they had for an evo 20g before.
Anyway I have a lot of respect for the 20g but if FP really wanted to do something for the DSM crowd I would think they could take the current TD06SL2 20g and just replace the compressor wheel with a normal rotation version of the evo green wheel. That could be like a new DSM Green. Then for a new DSM Red they could use the normal rotation version of the compressor wheel in the evo Red (which they already have - it's the HTA 3076) and mate it to the 20g DSM hot side parts they already have and all they would need for that probably is a new turbine wheel to better match the Red compressor wheel which is a doosey. THEN we could feel less neglected.

Gary

 

[dsm-onster]

Well, for starters, I wasn't aware that the FP20g was spooling faster than the BR20g. But if that's the case, thanks for the info. As for the link you posted, I dunno how fair that would be being that it's taking nitrous to get the Hahn's 20g to hit 10's whereas the BR20g is hitting 10's without it.

I'm sure there's plenty of turbos that'll flow more and get better numbers than a 20g, but that's not the purpose of the thread. This one is specifically for the FP20g. Maybe it flows more and all that, but where's the track numbers? I haven't seen any. You have any to post?

And to be fair, I guess that I should point out that I'm sure it's harder to get these numbers since not everyone is going out and buying 20g's these days, compared to back in the day when the BR20g was a much more popular turbo and everyone was going out and getting them. Still, if I'm gonna choose between a turbo that's gonna be costing me over $1k, I'm going with the one that has the proof to back up what it can do. That's a lot of money to fork out on a turbo to be a guinea pig on something new that no one really knows much about. Not me, thanks.

As for my T-67, sure it has hit 10's, but it's not much fun on the street compared to a turbo like a 20g

And you want to use track results? so let's stick with the 6cm^2 14b. It's .3 tenths faster than the BR 20g

Where were the track numbers for the 20g when those who did first decided to use it? The fact is the flow is there. And the fact is the only way a turbo does better at the strip is because it flows better. The flow is proven. Go get the numbers.