RipperXX
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500-600 is would just be stupid. Polk's where $2000 IIRC not that I hope they are that expensive but people have to understand chassis work is not cheap.
DSMers want it cheap - they don't care about the details or how much it costs to make. If it can't be made cheap then they won't buy it, end of story. And that's essentially why there are fewer quality options available and why more and more parts will be discontinued and will need to be built custom. At some point owning a DSM will require you to be a good fabricator if you want quality parts. That's already the case now for some parts (like tubular control arms and k-members). We'll never get these parts mass produced.If you guys only realized how much time and money it takes to make stuff like this when its not mass produced in China. Hypothetical question for you guys, if something costs $500 to produce and 16hrs to make what would you guys charge for the end product? Would you sell it for $750? That's 16hrs of your private life after you get home from working all day. I'm not saying this is what Vassil has in it, just a question to see what you guys think should be charged for something.
That's 16hrs of your private life after you get home from working all day.
DSMers want it cheap - they don't care about the details or how much it costs to make. If it can't be made cheap then they won't buy it, end of story. And that's essentially why there are fewer quality options available and why more and more parts will be discontinued and will need to be built custom. At some point owning a DSM will require you to be a good fabricator if you want quality parts. That's already the case now for some parts (like tubular control arms and k-members). We'll never get these parts mass produced.
I think if Vassil can get this produced and available for about $900-1100, it would be worth it. It may not sell as many as if it was priced at $700, but it's not like making it a couple hundred cheaper will make it sell in high quantities. Give everyone the options they want (road racers and drag racers) and they'll sell.
Fox body Mustangs aren't high end sports cars, they're budget builds, and can be had for similar prices to DSMs yet look at the tubular pieces you can get for those. Cheap cars will only have cheap parts if they can be sold in volume. We simply don't have enough buyers to warrant vendors taking the risk to get large runs of tubular products made. The community has a reputation of being cheap, especially in terms of suspension and chassis parts, and that will always work against us.Well ofcourse. These cars are worth less then this k member will cost. These arent high end sports cars. More a budget street car. Cheap car should have cheap parts, wouldnt make much sense otherwise. I mean hell you can get an aftermarket K-Member, Upper and Lower A-Arms, Drop Spindles and Billet Aluminum Steering Arms for a c5/c6 vette for $2300. That would dominate anything you could do to a dsm on a road course.
The options needed from a road racing or drag racing perspective doesn't have to be too far off from a street version. The price differences wouldn't be much.Well maybe i could request a "street" version then. Solid piece, accepts oem control arms, oem rack. No frills design. Priced for the average dsm'er.
Fox body Mustangs aren't high end sports cars, they're budget builds, and can be had for similar prices to DSMs yet look at the tubular pieces you can get for those.
Cheap cars will only have cheap parts if they can be sold in volume. We simply don't have enough buyers to warrant vendors taking the risk to get large runs of tubular products made. The community has a reputation of being cheap, especially in terms of suspension and chassis parts, and that will always work against us.
The options needed from a road racing or drag racing perspective doesn't have to be too far off from a street version. The price differences wouldn't be much.
We don't have the options available that other cars have because we don't have the owners of our cars spending the money in the market like those cars do. It's that simple. If our market was stronger more vendors would make the investment.
I think these k-members should be designed for the OEM control arms. Make one design that can be optioned for all applications (street, drag race, road race, rally, etc). The road race version could have a few extra supports. The drag race version could have fewer. Then we can get control arms made separately - where we can have all the adjustment points we need. It makes the most sense to have one design that can have options added/deleted for each of the major applications.
What about the option for using factory control arms? If that knocks off $200 in rod ends and whatever for other materials and labor, that should help with the price a bit huh?
I think these k-members should be designed for the OEM control arms. Make one design that can be optioned for all applications (street, drag race, road race, rally, etc). The road race version could have a few extra supports. The drag race version could have fewer. Then we can get control arms made separately - where we can have all the adjustment points we need. It makes the most sense to have one design that can have options added/deleted for each of the major applications.