1998 Eagle Talon street build monster

[1995 brian]

Ase cert don't mean crap to real world experience bro!! You got a lot to learn and please spare us from anymore videos!! No one cares to see 20min of you fumbling around talking out of your ass!! And what you did don't work that's why I'm saying something, if you have a so called pulley installer to us on the crank pulley why wasn't it used for the cams as well? Ever heard of a impact gun?? And dude 7k for a trans is nuts!! I'm barely spending 7k on my fully built motor for my talon and using a stock trans after and will have a car in the 10's. What are your plans for the car that you need a 7k trans for it? What are your plans to get traction? Anyway good luck with all that bro your going to need it !

Amen to that

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Ase cert don't mean crap to real world experience bro!! You got a lot to learn and please spare us from anymore videos!! No one cares to see 20min of you fumbling around talking out of your ass!! And what you did don't work that's why I'm saying something, if you have a so called pulley installer to us on the crank pulley why wasn't it used for the cams as well? Ever heard of a impact gun?? And dude 7k for a trans is nuts!! I'm barely spending 7k on my fully built motor for my talon and using a stock trans after and will have a car in the 10's. What are your plans for the car that you need a 7k trans for it? What are your plans to get traction? Anyway good luck with all that bro your going to need it !

look dude i have both real world and ASE. if you don't have anything nice to say about my build i ask you nicely to stay off my build journal. and that goes for anyone else who wants to be disrespectful to me. so please stay off my build journal. i warn you now anymore disrespect to me and i will report you to the moderators. good day!!

Amen to that

and i ask you nicely as well to not disrsepect me and my build and my ASE and real world experience.

 

[snowborder714]

FYI there are what look like bolts molded into the cams so you can place a big wrench on them to hold while you torque. How are you tightening the flywheel and crank pulley bolts?

Have you ever seen N/T cams? Or are you just thinking of turbo cams? From watching a few minutes of his video and googling images of 420a camshafts, they do not have a place to put a wrench. I don't necessarily agree with his method, but I'm not going to yell at him if that's how he wants to do it. It's his engine. If you don't agree with something, you can point it out and make a suggestion on how else he could do it better or differently. Make sure you know for sure what you're talking about when you post.

He can tighten down the crank bolt just like the rest of us and put a block of wood between the rod end and the block (with the oil pan off). And the flywheel bolts by holding the crank still on the damper end.

Ase cert don't mean crap to real world experience bro!! You got a lot to learn and please spare us from anymore videos!! No one cares to see 20min of you fumbling around talking out of your ass!! And what you did don't work that's why I'm saying something, if you have a so called pulley installer to us on the crank pulley why wasn't it used for the cams as well? Ever heard of a impact gun??

Never needed a pulley installer when doing cam gears. If you've ever worked with an ATI damper before, you will know that you do need one to install the crank sprocket. Again, please don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about.


As a final note, please reference the #2 rule above the post reply box. If you've got nothing nice to say, don't post. More warning will ensue if you do.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Yes I know how all this stuff works bro! And who needs to go thru all that, they do make things called impacts! If you know how to use them they can be your best friend! Find the torque they can put out and use a regulator on your air line to adjust to the ft.lb. you need to hit and your golden, been working for me for years! And I have a ati crank pulley and am aware of how to install them, that's not even what I was talking about. I'm not trying to start anything so ill quit posting here, was just saying he thinks what I said was bad he's lucky lando isn't posting !

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Figured out what turbo charger i am going to use. Its a turbonetics hurricane series turbo code named christina. Uses a t3 turbine housing with a 68mm turbine and a 72mm compressor wheel with a ported 60s trim compressor housing. supports up to 700 HP. lots of power potential in a small size.

http://www.ocdiesel.com/v/vspfiles/photos/TN-11521-2.jpg

http://turboneticsinc.com/upload/Hurricane/Hurricane_7268-3_Christina_back.jpg

http://turboneticsinc.com/upload/Hurricane/Hurricane_66_side.jpg

 

[BlackKnight2013]

turbocharger is on its way, just ordered it today and will post some pictures of it when i get it. i will try to post pictures with a ruler to show its actual size.

 

[k_maxson907]

Love the build! I'm looking forward to all the updates.

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Love the build! I'm looking forward to all the updates.

thanks. my build is currently about half way done on the engine and drive line set up. i still have paint to do for the exterior and finish up the interior. the interior is 80% completed; just need to build a new sub woofer enclosure and finish the trunk area. As for the painting of the car; im still undecided if i should just do a paint touch up on its current colors, remove the rusting areas and apply new clear coat or paint it red and black.

the engine is all together minus a valve cover which i have to get powder coated and re anodize an intake manifold. still need some fuel system components, electronics for boost control and fuel mapping control and some exhaust components. other than that the engine internals are all done. my final compression ratio is 8.4 to 1.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Don't forget suspension and some slicks and a good clutch to hold that kinda power down! That's one big ass turbo dude! What fuel system and tuning do you plan to use to support such a beast? Might wanna think of adding a shot of nitrous to spool that thing on the line! But maybe the crazy lag will help alittle on the launch, but man when that thing hits full boost better hold on tight ! Id also highly suggest looking into a LSD for sure and some wide ass slicks on some wide ass rims, your going to need all the traction you can get. Any bit of wheel hop and your going to destroy that 7k trans in a heart beat! I would hit up jacks they got some specials going on. I'm sure they could build you a solid trans for way less than $7 or get the parts and do it yourself! http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/ven...ks-transmissions-trans-rebuild-kits-sale.html

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Don't forget suspension and some slicks and a good clutch to hold that kinda power down! That's one big ass turbo dude! What fuel system and tuning do you plan to use to support such a beast? Might wanna think of adding a shot of nitrous to spool that thing on the line! But maybe the crazy lag will help alittle on the launch, but man when that thing hits full boost better hold on tight ! Id also highly suggest looking into a LSD for sure and some wide ass slicks on some wide ass rims, your going to need all the traction you can get. Any bit of wheel hop and your going to destroy that 7k trans in a heart beat! I would hit up jacks they got some specials going on. I'm sure they could build you a solid trans for way less than $7 or get the parts and do it yourself! http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/ven...ks-transmissions-trans-rebuild-kits-sale.html

im still puting the plan together for the suspension. and yeah i know its a big turbo. i have a good clutch already for it its been cryo treated and holds 520 ft lbs of torque. as for the slicks i have that figured out already just not ready to buy them. the fuel system will be 1100cc fuel injection clinic high imped. injectors, an AEM fuel rail, custom fuel lines, duel in tank fuel pump set up( two 255L walbros) and aftermarket fuel pressure reg. as for the tuning i am still not set on what to use. i am leaning more towards the greddy e-management ultimate piggy back system which is universal, because i want to keep some of my factory ecu functions and also because i have emissions were i live. i know about the megasquirt ecu set up but im not convinced it will be able to pass emissions here in colorado. recently i have decided against swapping in the srt4 trans that is 7k and go with a build t350 hd case and build that instead ( i have a buddy who builds them and done a few mods to make it better but not perfect). thanks for your suggestion but for 7k i could finish the driveline without using such an expensive trans. and i could do it myself, but i am not equiped with the special pressing plates needed for the tranmission. and yes i will be using an lsd. in my earlier posts in this build journal, another member had already asked if i was going to use one and i said yes. also the site you listed doesn't build a nt 420a transmission.

 

[cpoindexter]

I have a Freddy emanage blue box if you're in the market for one, also has the digital screen and handheld controller along with the greedy electronic boost controller.

Build is definitely one of a kind. I hope it ends up being what you want, if not more

 

[Dsmkauai]

Instead of twin walbro 255 go with a 400 or 450. and I'm sure jacks does them you might have to pm or call them but I bet he has a killer option for your motor. They do really good stuff for the 4g side so it might be worth contacting to see what they could offer. Also get some sort of nlts so you can keep boost during shifts and be able to make them even faster once you learn nlts. And another thing you might want to try is to copy the gst trans 1-3 gears if you can the gearing is perfect for the 26" Hoosier QTP's and you only have to shift twice!

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Build is definitely one of a kind. I hope it ends up being what you want, if not more

thanks for compliment, and i am sure it will be how i want it. only time will really tell

Instead of twin walbro 255 go with a 400 or 450. and I'm sure jacks does them you might have to pm or call them but I bet he has a killer option for your motor. They do really good stuff for the 4g side so it might be worth contacting to see what they could offer. Also get some sort of nlts so you can keep boost during shifts and be able to make them even faster once you learn nlts. And another thing you might want to try is to copy the gst trans 1-3 gears if you can the gearing is perfect for the 26" Hoosier QTP's and you only have to shift twice!

thanks but i already got a smoking deal for my trans build at $2k. inlcudes all the treatments i want to use for the parts and new gears and syncro's as well as bearings.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Get some cryo treated axles and try to make equal length and thicker bars and less tapper at the outside end, so there's less risk of snapping them. I have mine done by Terhune raceworks and they are solid bro! Its so nice not to not worry about snapping one on every launch!! I've hit mine launching at 5250 and 10psi boost and probably pushing somewhere between 340-370 ft/lb for torque, and not a issue so far. The stock axles didn't like that for some reason and I snapped like 4 I think before getting the Beafy cryo treated axles! its worth it. How many lb/min will that turbo you got support?

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Get some cryo treated axles and try to make equal length and thicker bars and less tapper at the outside end, so there's less risk of snapping them. I have mine done by Terhune raceworks and they are solid bro! Its so nice not to not worry about snapping one on every launch!! I've hit mine launching at 5250 and 10psi boost and probably pushing somewhere between 340-370 ft/lb for torque, and not a issue so far. The stock axles didn't like that for some reason and I snapped like 4 I think before getting the Beafy cryo treated axles! its worth it. How many lb/min will that turbo you got support?

i got axles selected and i like to remind everyone that i am using a 420a engine and not a 4g63 engine. and the axles you have won't fit my powertrain because the transmissions are completely different. and the turbo supports up to 700 hp wich is about 70 lbs/min

 

[Dsmkauai]

Yes I know your 420a bro, I wasn't suggesting you use 4g axles just suggestion things that work for us that can greatly help you bro! dang 70lb/min that's a lot of air to move!! There are some parts you could actually fab to work with the 420a. The suspension is pretty much the same for the most part. The axles could work easy just need to change the inside cups to match the trans your using.

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Yes I know your 420a bro, I wasn't suggesting you use 4g axles just suggestion things that work for us that can greatly help you bro! dang 70lb/min that's a lot of air to move!! There are some parts you could actually fab to work with the 420a. The suspension is pretty much the same for the most part. The axles could work easy just need to change the inside cups to match the trans your using.

i got axles that will hold 750hp with wheel hubs to take a bigger axle spline shaft for the outboard splines. and im not gunning for breaking any records yet. i need to know how the car will react and what power it will produce before i decide anything like that. i know i can fab up parts but majority of the parts i need ive already got or haven't bought. ive got majority of my build plan already made before i even started the build. and i know the suspensions are the same with all the bodies plus or minus the rear subframe of the awd models. and i know thats a lot of air to move but thats what the turbo is rated for (600 to 700 hp).

 

[Dsmkauai]

So you have some dss axles it sounds like. Just saying its a lot of air to move so it will take a really really good tune to utilize the setup. You have a lot of stuff your adding and changing, it's going to be a bit of a challenge to get a good base tune going let alone a wot tune! I would really think about your tuning software and the best one to use!

 

[BlackKnight2013]

this just in, got the turbo delivered 30 minutes ago. here are some pictures of it:

 

[BlackKnight2013]

So you have some dss axles it sounds like. Just saying its a lot of air to move so it will take a really really good tune to utilize the setup. You have a lot of stuff your adding and changing, it's going to be a bit of a challenge to get a good base tune going let alone a wot tune! I would really think about your tuning software and the best one to use!

i am well aware of that and i know people who tune cars like this, and i have thought of that already. let me put it this way i have though of everything i need to do and to buy for this build. thanks for a suggestions but i already know of the tuning part of it isn't going to be a walk in the park.

Shiny!! holy crap and twin scroll! What manifold are you going to use for it? Going to take something custom for sure and you will need to clock that thing better if its fitting under your hood! As it sits its kinda ass backwards for a 420a motor but would work fine on a 4g63!

i know what manifold i am going to use, its a matter of will it fit right. and i know i have to clock the turbo, i knew i would have to way before i bought it. and i din't buy a good turbo for nothing either. i did a lot of research and condsidered all the best turbos and chose this one, the turbonetics hurricane series. and the turbo is sitting correctly as it will when it does go into the car after its been clocked correctly. if you haven't seen other turbo 420a's, this is practically the same way the turbo sits anyways ( just saying)

 

[BlackKnight2013]

some info on the turbo: the turbo is a t3 turbine housing with a 4 inch v band outlet. the compressor housing is a 4 inch inlet and a 2.5 inch outlet. turbo shaft rides on ceramic ball bearings for faster spool.

More information from turbonetics website:
Hurricane 7268-3 Christina 600-700(hp range) HP-72(compressor wheel) 4.0" / 2.5" Ported Shroud (compressor housing) F1-68 (turbine wheel) T3 0.84 A/R (turbine housing) 4" V-Band 11521-BB (part number/product number)

Yes you know everything I got it guy!! I've built and seen just about every car and combination you can imagine bro!, been at this game for sometime now!, and I'm just really getting started . Anyway have fun with all that, since you know everything and have everything you don't need any of our help with this simple build!!b

ive been at this game too for some time now too. and i will just hope to have it finished by mid race season or my next b day.

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Lol sure guy!! You crack me up, so you've worked in high end muscle car and import shops? You've been a tech for 16 years? Because you look like your about 19-20 bro ! But I can tell by your build start date you have been at this game for awhile ! Anyway I gotta go to my shop and start a little Nissan motor build for a customer, should take me all of this morning to get done, then maybe I'll start assembling/building my spare 4g63 motor for my gst! If you ever wanna get your car done I'm sure ill have some time after I could fly over and help ya hahahaha!

this is the kind of stuff i asked you a few weeks ago not to post in my build journal and i remember asking you not to post in here again if your going to be like this. i ask again, with accordance to the rules of posting, not to be rude as you are being again. not being rude or anything back but what you just posted in the quote above was unwanted and unnecessary. consider this your last friendly warning before i ask the moderators to block you from posting in my journal.

 

[Breezio69]

Whatever dude!! Rock on its a free country, ever heard of freedom of speech! How am I being rude your the guy that can't take any advise and thinks he knows it all! I won't post again dude, and you can always hit ignore to all my post! And when you need help with your build or tune which you will, I can post helpful info for you and you won't see it!! I should hook you up with this boosted 420a guy I know out here. He thinks he knows it all to and can't take advise, which is why his car is sitting like it has been for years now and when it did run it ran like crap! And all it needed was a tune and some lovin from someone who actually knows what they are doing!!

Are all the people in Hawaii awesome?

Nice build man.

 

[BlackKnight2013]

Are all the people in Hawaii douchers?

Nice build man.

idk man can't say since i have never lived there. but i can say there is a bit of shortage of respect is how i feel though...

anyways thanks for the compliment

i keep getting more and more anxious to finish this build as i get closer and closer to finishing it. like i said before im only about half way of the total build.

 

[ceedawg]

Who is this dude (dsm whatever) from Hawaii? He seems obsessed with harassing the OP. Why has he not been banned as of yet? Dude is mad disrespectful WTF

OP there are tons of us guys on here that can give you a hand. No one guy here knows everything but there are plenty of knowledable guys on here who know alot. Put the clown from Hawaii here on ignore,check and see what other guys with good builds and healthy running cars have done and dont be afraid to ask questions. Never go on thinking yourself or one guy has all the answers unless he has proven results and a good rep to follow. We are all here to help each other. Dont put up with the childish abuse,ignore and report this clown!!!