Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[Spooling99]

I'd say go with full T4. That's what shep runs. But 650whp on a FWD would be insane, if at all driveable.

Haha exactly what I was thinking. Im sure 450fwhp would suit you just fine. Pushing over 650 you'd have trouble hooking up at 55mph+.
-ADAM-

 

[ShadeTreeDSM]

I'd say go with full T4. That's what shep runs. But 650whp on a FWD would be insane, if at all driveable.

i would go t4 but then i gota switch my manifold 40mm wastegate to a 44mm


which would come out to a total of about $1000 or more....DNP & TIAL are'nt cheap...plus im looking for a quick spool with 650 fwhp...

the trick with this car is gonna be a sleeper type deal...its going to be a highway car more than a track or stop & go car..i got another vehicle that does the stop and go deal..its a V-8

 

[exile]

I'd go through some of the forum threads and read up on this stuff some more. @ 650+whp you're not going to be buying just performance parts you'll most likely spend some doe on a new tranny and axels and the numerous list of stock parts that will break.

 

[ShadeTreeDSM]

Haha exactly what I was thinking. Im sure 450fwhp would suit you just fine. Pushing over 650 you'd have trouble hooking up at 55mph+.
-ADAM-

itll be fun..ill be getting some wider tires for the front..possibly 255-275's..and to make it look good ill probably get my fenders widend

 

[ShadeTreeDSM]

I'd go through some of the forum threads and read up on this stuff some more. @ 650+whp you're not going to be buying just performance parts you'll most likely spend some doe on a new tranny and axels and the numerous list of stock parts that will break.

who said anything about a stock tranny or any parts being stock ? ?

i already have this planned out in my head...

Machine Work

1992 Hyundai Sonata 2.4 Liter Block Fully Done (Honed, Decked, Rem Processed, Etc. Etc)
1992 4G63 Head Fully Ported & Polished Intake & Exhaust Ports & Combustion Chamber's

Internals

Wiesco Forged Pistons
Manley Forged Rods
Maybe a FFWD Connection Light Weight Knife Edged Crank/Maybe Just Stock Knife Edged with Rem Process



Parts

DNP T3/T4 Manifold
3.00" Or 3.5" Turbo Back Exhaust
Precision Turbo Engineering T3/T4 SCE67 P-Trim
Precision Turbo Engineering Intercooler (Rated at 825 flywheel H.P.) 34.5"x10.5"x3.5" with 2.75" Intercooler Piping
AEM EMS
AEM Fuel Rail
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator
Aeromotive 800HP EFI Fuel Pump
Fuel Injector Clinic 1000cc Fuel Injectors
Comp Cams Or Webcams Cams Cam Shafts
Unorthodox Adjustable Cam Gears
Webcams Dual Valvespings/Retainers
Magnus Motorsports Intake Manifold
Unorthodox Pulley Set
Fluidyne Radiator
Spal Slim Fans
ARP Everything
Cometic Head Gasket

Drivetrain

Shep Stage 2 FWD Tranny
Driveshaft Shop Axles
Unorthodox Lightweight Flywheel Or Fidanza Flywheel
ACT Clutch

Suspension

10 Point Roll Cage
Tein Type SS Coilovers
Urethane Mounts All Around
Sway & Strut Bars

Weight Reduction

Carbon Fiber Hood
Fiberglass Hatch w/ Lexan Window
Fiberglass Widend Fenders
5Zigen FNO1R-C Wheels
Corbeau Racing Seats
A/C Deletion
Manual Steering Rack
Fully Gutted Interior
Corbeau Racing Seats

 

[2G_RFF_GST]

thanks for the input. I forgot to put, i'm getting a Turbo Timer and a boost controller. Should i get an electronic boost controller or a MBC? Also, what type of injectors should i get? And do i need a new fuel pump?

 

[projektlaser90]

i bought a 90 eclipse gst but the original turbo didnt work and I am going to fix it with my income tax. i know everybody swears by the 16g for a 1g, but I have a couple of questions.
Do I get the EVOIII, the "Big" 16g or the "small" 16g?, and, is it a direct bolt on to the 1g Eclipse, or is there going to be a lot of "make it fit" procedures? please help, it is very appreciated. oh and I don't want to get it from EBay so what site should i go through? once again, thanks for the help.

 

[dalatinromeo]

Its basicially a complete swap on the 1g, unlike us 2g guys who have to buy an install kit.

If I were you I would get an EVO3 16G, and go with extremepsi. Great customer service, fast shipping, and overall great vendor. Don't forget to get it ported and a larger flapper.

Hope this helped, Stay boostin

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Any vendor will sell you an e316G (for the same price, why get the smaller versions?) for I believe 569. It is a direct swap (you don't have to change squat) to get it to work on your 1g. Just make to port it correctly to avoid boost creep in the future.

 

[tibby_boy]

Kyle, for the EvoIII 16G 650 FIC injectors should work well for you, with a 190 fuel pump.

 

[project_tsi]

Kyle, for the EvoIII 16G 650 FIC injectors should work well for you, with a walbro 190 fuel pump.

Correct, I would def. reccommend 650-680cc injectors for the Evo III 16G. As for fuel pumps, go with the walbro 190 if you on somewhat of a budget. The 190 pump has plenty of flow to max out the Evo III turbo, and won't require you to get a AFPR.

If you think you may upgrade turbo's later on again, look into a 255 pump along w/ the AFPR. Don't run a 255 pump w/out an AFPR.

For tuning your setup I strongly reccomend getting a Keydiver chip w/ built in injector compensation found at www.dsmchips.com Your going to need an eprom ecu if you didn't know, socketed. Then add in a S-AFCII to fine tune your setup and you will have a nicely tuned setup.

 

[dsm-onster]

i bought a 90 eclipse gst but the original turbo didnt work and I am going to fix it with my income tax. i know everybody swears by the 16g for a 1g, but I have a couple of questions.
Do I get the EVOIII, the "Big" 16g or the "small" 16g?, and, is it a direct bolt on to the 1g Eclipse, or is there going to be a lot of "make it fit" procedures? please help, it is very appreciated. oh and I don't want to get it from EBay so what site should i go through? once again, thanks for the help.

Buy right, buy once. What are your ultimate goals?

 

[2G_RFF_GST]

Thanks Dan. I planned on the EPROM and S AFCII but didn't know anything about the chip. What type of boost controller should i get?

 

[GSntncT]

Boost Controllers. Dejontool sells a manual two stage boost controller that is not only inexpensive, but gets the job done, and is very easy to install. You'll have to find a place to mount the switch(Me, I put mine inbetween the shifter and radio). better than shelling out 400+for an AVCR.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

True, but If you don't care about the integrity of the business you use

I'm confused. I never mentioned anything about buying from one company or another. It's up to the original poster to do his own research with a specific company before buying, not me. That was supposed to be a given.

 

[andymoraitis]

Thanks Dan. I planned on the EPROM and S AFCII but didn't know anything about the chip. What type of boost controller should i get?

Dan is 1000% right about the Keydiver setup and injector compensation, but keep in mind that you can eliminate the AFC completely by using custom A/F and timing tables like the ones I run in my chip. You can therefore save the money you would have spent on an AFC and still have exceptional performance.

For boost controllers, I strongly recommend the Buschur MBC. It works well, has fast response and it's a clean install on the valve cover.

Drop me a PM if you need more info,

Andy

 

[Jrivas617]

Dan is 1000% right about the Keydiver setup and injector compensation, but keep in mind that you can eliminate the AFC completely by using custom A/F and timing tables like the ones I run in my chip. You can therefore save the money you would have spent on an AFC and still have exceptional performance.

For boost controllers, I strongly recommend the Buschur MBC. It works well, has fast response and it's a clean install on the valve cover.

Drop me a PM if you need more info,

Andy

Hey andy any way u can post pics on your mbc next to your valve cover? Im reall intersted in seeeing how that setup is...and does anyone else have pics of their MBC hooked up to the interior?

 

[99gst_racer]

Kyle - I would recommend baby steps. First pick up a 14b for $100 and try that with a lower (safer) boost setting on the stock injectors. I would also recommend eventually getting an EPROM ECU and a Keydriver chip. I have nothing but praises for Jeff O's product and service.

The reason I recommend a 14b over a E3 16G, is because I know you're on a budget and you still need a couple other mods too (ei. turboback exhast, intake, bov, etc....) and the 14b can be had for much less than any 16G varient.

My first turbo upgrade from the T25, was a 14B. I ran it on stock 450cc injectors and was running roughly 14-15 psi (aside from creeping) and it hauled arse. It was a great upgrade from a T25 and it will allow you to gain the knowledge and experience of swapping turbo's and upgrading without moving too fast and taking giant leaps, so to speak.

If you're serious about it, let Dan and I know. We'll generate a list of the needed parts for the install so you can go shopping, and we can even help you with the install.

For boost controllers, I strongly recommend the Buschur MBC. It works well, has fast response and it's a clean install on the valve cover.

I was wondering who made that MBC that you had..... Thanks for the info, Andy.

 

[scottsee]

Why were the posts in here minpulated and my last 2 post deleted??!! I guess my point was taken, and not wanted! So much for my thoughts, I guess I'll think twice about expressing my point of view while trying to help somone make the best decision... Thanks guys!

 

[dsm-onster]

You probably were too nagative about a vendor. You know there is avendor review site you can go to. You can direct the original poster to that site instead. If your opinion so steers you.

This forum is directed to informing and discussing types not brands. It's about what a 50-trim will do, not about what an AGP RS49T (50-trim) or a FP GREEN (50-trim) will do.

Brand complains gives rise to too much arguing and not enough education.

 

[RichCaccese]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/default.php?cPath=2_139_89&osCsid=eae2b59228dba8fa784a7b3619e0f379

start clicking on stuff, dont be scurred.

 

[scottsee]

This forum is directed to informing and discussing types not brands. It's about what a 50-trim will do, not about what an AGP RS49T (50-trim) or a FP GREEN (50-trim) will do.

That dosn't make any sense.. But thanks anyway..

$460ish for an Mits evo316g at turbocharger.com & $535-$560 about everywhere else...

 

[ChicksDigBoost]

Its basicially a complete swap on the 1g, unlike us 2g guys who have to buy an install kit.

If I were you I would get an EVO3 16G, and go with extremepsi. Great customer service, fast shipping, and overall great vendor. Don't forget to get it ported and a larger flapper.

Hope this helped, Stay boostin

He shouldn't just go with the lager flapper, he should decide what his goals are. There are pros and cons to it. It may help with boost creep, but it also may blow open at higher boost levels. It also sounds like he has zero supporting mods, so he needs to think about a boost gauge, data logger, injectors, S-AFC or MAFT, and exhaust. Looking at this hes not probably going to be running high boost, so the larger gate may be his best option.

 

[missionx96x]

im going to buy the new SBR cast manifold ported with a 38 mm tial wastegate and run an open dump. im wondering what turbo might be the best combo with this manifold. i was thinking about a PTE 50 trim, GT32E, or FP green. any other suggestions or ideas. all input is welcome thanks!!!!

PS- supporting mods are in my profile and DSMLink is on the way!!

 

[somdturbo]

The FP green sounds pretty decent for your setup. Although, if you opt for larger injectors, and you can afford it, the fp3065 is a sweet choice. good luck man