Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[napkinthief]

i was thinking about s16g, what about t3? or t3/t4?

 

[Raph]

Hi,

I know it's discussed over and over,
but I still can't decide wich turbo to get.

I want a good turbo for the street/daily driven/reliable (about 300-380whp).
How are the 50 trim, do the hit hard when they reach full boost or do they
build boost up pretty decent?
If I'm on the street and want to overtake a car, isn't it bad, if you move out and then
you have to wait cause the turbo lag of the 50trim? could I overtake faster with a FP BIG28? because it's a more streetable turbo?

also very important is for me a very goot top end power, since I'm
often in Germany and they do not have speedlimits on some hyways (spell?)

hope to get some help

thanks

Mike

same question,ive been searching for months and months (since last fall) for a good answer to this question..

oh, i need a turbo that has quick spool up (those big turbodiesels will walk a dsm equipped with a t25!) and one that holds boost till redline (my t2small falls off at 5500 rpm..sucks.. ,

now,those silvia/200sx have the t28 standard, ill hold with one till 5500 rpm,then when my turbo falls off,they pull away.. embarassing on the bahn..

i dont really care about fwd traction cause it rains here often,so going from a dig is not interesting to me,i need monster roll on power 3rd through 5th gear!


edit> so you guys suggest the t28 killer? is there more than one kinda t28 killer (im seeing tc.com selling em) , im also looking at the fp big t28 ..so basically its a tie between the two, just need a nudge in the right direction.

oh,i have loads of supporting mods. (getting maft too)

 

[dsm-onster]

Remember this: flow wins a race. It's great to pull on some one but sad to lose when they decide to stick with it. If you have lag, then you know you have lag. So downshift! it takes a fraction of a second. Get a 50 trim to win all races; get an evo3 for great spool and win quite a few. get a t28 for the same. they all three are great. but the 50 trim spools full at about 3500 rpms the other at just over 3000; worth the horsepower on pump gas. A 50trim is the perfect street turbo. absolute master of pump-and-the-road combination.

 

[tstkl]

im planning on getting a pte dual ball bearing 57 trim, but they make a dual ball bearing 50 trim as well. sbr has them for 845, but an internal gate is 125 more, or if you have an external your set. youll always want more, just give it to yourself now.

 

[SiNiST3R]

OK let me start like this -

Get the T28 out of your head you'll kick yourself later for getting it yes it's an "OK" turbo but what a Evo16G can do for you, you better off with the evo16g. As for the 50trim I dono if your asking this type of question now i would recumend you dont get it. I ran a FP58 56Trim and boke 4th gear at 160mph. after that i droped back down to the Evo16g again this turbo has so many good results on it and is able to get the 40/lbs cfm like you want. Good luck hunting.

I say the EVO3 16G For ya

 

[siceclipse]

I agree with DSM-onster, go with the 50 trim. I have the FPbigT-28 and i want to go witht the EvoIII next. Im just pissed that after another 2 years im gonna have to get rid of the install kit to slap on the 50 trim!

 

[SethA]

Another aspect to keep in mind is that you will need fairly large injectors if you want to handle all a 50 trim can throw on pump gas (91-93 octane, maybe you have better gas?). If you plan on using a piggy back to control the injectors you will get too much timing and idle problems with big injectors. I am not familiar with ECU options for european dsms but if you can't use a key driver chip, dsmlink, or a standalone you might be better off with a smaller turbo.

I run an e316g and I am very happy with it (for the moment anyway).

Seth

 

[blizz99]

Alright, as some of you know, I finally got my car back up after a long line of problems. But I'm only pushing a 14B right now. I have $1200 to play around with and decided on getting a bigger turbo. Here's what I have so far:
-HKS 264/272 cams
-Unorthodox underdrive pulley
-Buschur front mount intercooler
-Buschur full 3inch exhaust
-Buschur 3inch downpipe
-test pipe
-2g MAS
-Injen Intake
-255 walbaro fuel pump
-550cc injectors
-Manual boost controller
-Ported 2g exhaust manifold
-Ported O2 housing
-stock 14b turbo
-Blitz BOV
-8mm magnecore wires
-ACT 2600 clutch w/ streetdisk
-short shifter
-Super afc 1
-Autometer black face exhaust temp gauge and boost gauge inside center vent
-Greddy turbo timer
-MMCD datalogger on Handspring Treo 300

I was thinking about getting a 50 or 57 trim but then I would go over my budget buying the external wastegate, larger injectors, etc. So then I started thinking about an evo3, but I'm not sure it's big enough for the performance I was looking for. Basically, I want a daily driver that can put a beating on ricers and domestics and hang with some of the big boys. Anyone have any suggestions on how and where I should spend that money??

 

[olmytsi]

FP green if you are looking for quality reliable stuff but thats a lil more ...that is the best 50trim for dsms i would say.
I wouldn't get a 16g. With your setup, you need at least a 20g

 

[JDNSBR]

Alright, as some of you know, I finally got my car back up after a long line of problems. But I'm only pushing a 14B right now. I have $1200 to play around with and decided on getting a bigger turbo. Here's what I have so far:
-HKS 264/272 cams
-Unorthodox underdrive pulley
-Buschur front mount intercooler
-Buschur full 3inch exhaust
-Buschur 3inch downpipe
-test pipe
-2g MAS
-Injen Intake
-255 walbaro fuel pump
-550cc injectors
-Manual boost controller
-Ported 2g exhaust manifold
-Ported O2 housing
-stock 14b turbo
-Blitz BOV
-8mm magnecore wires
-ACT 2600 clutch w/ streetdisk
-short shifter
-Super afc 1
-Autometer black face exhaust temp gauge and boost gauge inside center vent
-Greddy turbo timer
-MMCD datalogger on Handspring Treo 300

I was thinking about getting a 50 or 57 trim but then I would go over my budget buying the external wastegate, larger injectors, etc. So then I started thinking about an evo3, but I'm not sure it's big enough for the performance I was looking for. Basically, I want a daily driver that can put a beating on ricers and domestics and hang with some of the big boys. Anyone have any suggestions on how and where I should spend that money??

You will be able to it externally or internally with injectors for under $1200. All you have to do is look around. So I am not biased check out the DSMtuner sponsers.

 

[Black94DSM]

With the 550cc injectors you are limited to a few choices. I ran 12.47 on a evo3 16g with my 550s and just about the same mods as you. This was done at 21 psi. This turbo was awsome on the street, great spool and power down low.

If you go bigger like a "50 Trim" or something of the likes, you will need to grab a set of bigger injectors. I also have this turbo, in the pte version. Little laggy, but deff streetable. Very nice top end power.

I guess it depends on what you want to do with the car.

 

[blizz99]

Considering I have a FWD I was leaning more towards the 50 trim or 57 trim side. I could probably use some of that lag. But then again, the evo3 is more in my price range. How would the 50 trim and 57 trim perform for me if it was internally wastegated?

 

[Ultimatedsm]

I like to stick with the slightly smaller turbos, I noticed you get a better launch from them because you can build boost better from a dead stop. I like the fact once you get out of a corner and you punch it your already in your power band. EVOIII 16g overall great turbo for both drag and auto-cross or circuit racing. The EVOIII with out perform the 50 trim in a road course with a lot of bends. If your looking for strictly drag racing, then yes the 50 trim will produce more power but you will sacifice some low end torque because of the turbo lag.

 

[blizz99]

I like to stick with the slightly smaller turbos, I noticed you get a better launch from them because you can build boost better from a dead stop. I like the fact once you get out of a corner and you punch it your already in your power band. EVOIII 16g overall great turbo for both drag and auto-cross or circuit racing. The EVOIII with out perform the 50 trim in a road course with a lot of bends. If your looking for strictly drag racing, then yes the 50 trim will produce more power but you will sacifice some low end torque because of the turbo lag.

I see what your saying. But wouldnt the quick spool up of the evo3 make my tires spin more resulting in loss of power?

 

[No_Skillz]

I see what your saying. But wouldnt the quick spool up of the evo3 make my tires spin more resulting in loss of power?

Throttle control. Alot of people worry about this, but I don't see why they can't just unstick their foot off the floor. Learn to drive.

 

[blizz99]

okay. i think im starting to lean over towards the evo3 side. turbochargers.com sells them for like 460ish. what should i spend the rest on?

 

[No_Skillz]

okay. i think im starting to lean over towards the evo3 side. turbochargers.com sells them for like 460ish. what should i spend the rest on?

J-pipe, install kit, porno, candy, whatever.

650s can't hurt either.

 

[blizz99]

J-pipe, install kit, porno, candy, whatever.

650s can't hurt either.

uhhh...i have a 1g

 

[blizz99]

would it be any good to get the evo3 externally wastegated?

 

[allwheelTSI]

would it be any good to get the evo3 externally wastegated?

Its not necessary, But it would be a better setup.

 

[neuralracing]

okay. i think im starting to lean over towards the evo3 side. turbochargers.com sells them for like 460ish. what should i spend the rest on?

Don't get the crap they sell... get an MHI B16G. I got mine from Slowboy with all the porting (intake side porting was not done so well but the exhaust side was great) and the 34mm gate. There are some discussions around regarding the differences between the Chinese knockoff and the geniune one... So do you want the Replica Rolex Daytona... or the real one

 

[blizz99]

what would be better for 18psi daily and 20psi race setup, 31mm or 34mm wastegate?

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Don't get the crap they sell... get an MHI B16G. I got mine from Slowboy with all the porting (intake side porting was not done so well but the exhaust side was great) and the 34mm gate. There are some discussions around regarding the differences between the Chinese knockoff and the geniune one... So do you want the Replica Rolex Daytona... or the real one

He's clearly talking about a REAL evoIII 16g if it's around "460ish". The EvoGT is like 499 I beleive. Get your facts straight.

Also don't go making generalized statements about our sponsors such as "don't buy the crap they sell".

No one here was even mentioning an Evo GT, but since you brought it up, do you have first hand experience with that turbo even? If you have to go around flexing your "I know stuff about turbos" information, give both sides of the story, not just some incomplete online-banter you've overheard.

A better statment from you would have been something along the lines of:
"There is some controversy surrounding the Evo 16g GT, if you've been looking at going that route. Be sure you've thoroughly researched your decision."

 

[FORMONTOYA]

Throttle control. Alot of people worry about this, but I don't see why they can't just unstick their foot off the floor. Learn to drive.

I vote for this!!

Jim

 

[Black94DSM]

i ran my evo3 with internal wastegate. I had it ported by FP and the thing still creeped. So i took it off and made the air pathway more open to the wastegate flapper. STILL CREEPED! So then i even took the flapper out and put in a 38mm, ported the opening and what do you know....yep still creeped.

I think i was one of the unlucky few that just couldnt control creep on the internal wastegate. It wouldnt go anything below 21 psi. But really 20+ is where that turbo likes to be.

I vote for external just to save the headache, and if you ever upgrade to a bigger turbo you will have it avalible to you.