Time Attack Event to Promote DSM/Mitsubishi Engineering and Embarrass Corvette

[finnie3d]

CALLING ALL CARS...

Hey Guys - Please don't judge this post by the number of posts I have. My build has been going at the speed of my life at present. If you look at the mods I DO have though, you'll see i've taken great care to build a strong foundation for power before I start just throwing HUGE turbos and meaningless crap on my vehicles. I'm a DSM'er to my heart and I want the Diamond Brand, and us the faithful drivers, to grow and thrive.

With that said, I'm planning a Time Attack Event at VIR for Late Summer,/Early Fall next year to prove the superiority of Mitsubishi Engineering. I'm gathering competitors and already have some Corvette guys on the hook. I'd like to add some DSM'ers to the ranks. Please take a look at the video below to get a better feel for the event idea. It's the first official trailer for the event.

[ame=http://youtu.be/TBoRzYjvmbs]Is Corvette Really The Best? - The Gauntlet: Trailer 1 - YouTube[/ame]

In addition to the main event, there will be three "undercard" run groups (est only 15-20 cars per group.) that MAY be open to all makes/models. (ideally, however, I'd like it to be a Mitsu v. GM event all the way through.) They think they're the best. I believe we can come together and show them the truth.

Race entry cost will be similar to an HPDE type Track Day. I'm still working out some of the details of spectator entertainment/food etc, but the basic framework is set. If you're interested, or even possibly interested in competing, or spectating, please send an email with your Name, Year/Make/Model/HP, and what you'd like to do (Compete/Spectate/Promote etc) to [email protected].

Let's show Corvette and GM who's really the Boss!
Thanks Everybody!

 

[TSiAWD666]

Try not to schedule it close to the Ultimate Track Car Challenge please That way I have time to recover and make your event.

It's going to be tough against any real track vettes... they are beasts out of the box and even more so with modification.

 

[finnie3d]

Try not to schedule it close to the Ultimate Track Car Challenge please That way I have time to recover and make your event.

It's going to be tough against any real track vettes... they are beasts out of the box and even more so with modification.

Good point TSi! Thanks for the reminder. That's the kind of positive feedback I'm looking for. And I would love to have you compete.

You're right. It will be tough, especially since VIR is kind of Home Field Advantage for the ZR1. I feel like we're going to surprise them though. Here's why...
1. They've got to get and keep traction on only two wheels with ungodly torque. We can use their strength against them in that way. #AWD
2. As long as we can properly manage our heat load, our turbos (properly tuned) will neutralize Corvette's straight line speed advantage.
3. Also, DSM's should have a slight weight advantage, even with full interior. So the lightweight DSMs with similar or greater power and AWD traction should be a handful for the Vettes.
4. I plan to invite (almost) everything Mitsubishi-Powered to run the undercard events, So we'll have plenty of Evo's and VR4's and Turbo Colt Swaps to represent Mitsubishi Engineering as well.

So i feel like with the right suspension, supporting mods, and aero tweaks, we can bring down Goliath #NoSweat.

I figure it's something we can make an Annual Event, and maybe one of the regional events that Ludachris talked about in his other post for http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/road-course-autocross/242545-national-dsm-time-attack-event-would-you-show-up.html
So (worst case) even if the opener doesn't go quite to plan, as long as we really show up and run well, we'll help promote the brand and help make our DSM Community better as a whole.

What do you think?

 

[TSiAWD666]

Not just the ZR1. Last and current gen Z06's are monstrous with just tires. Everyone will have to bring their A game just to get on the same level. Anyway I'll stop being negative nancy and leave it at that

Definitely pitch this to other makes as DSM track drivers are few and far between. I can probably count the local ones on one hand (hell I can probably count the sum of east coast DSM track drivers on two). The Evo guys are going to be your best bet. If you get in touch with AMS in MD they can put you in touch with at least a couple Evo time trialers (I know them but only from track events, not personally nor do I have their direct contact info). There are a number on evolutionm.net as well.

I'd get thinking on your classing immediately as that's going to shape your attendance quite a bit. You will make this a much more popular and closer competition if you have a number of street tire categories as that's where our AWD is going to make the most impact plus it opens up your pool of potential entrants with how few Mitsubishi folks actually track their cars. If you allow any tire you're going to get folks with a lot more money than your average Mitsu owner with a huge leg up just from tires alone.

You might want to partner with an organization's weekend HPDE event. You could run your event on a Friday (possibly saving you money in track rental) and have the org's HPDE weekend event as a follow-on. This may attract more folks as they can come to watch or drive yours, and still have more days in the weekend for driving (as it's quite a trek for many to get to VIR and one day of driving is not enough for that beautiful course). Maybe you can even get a kickback from the org since you're arguably driving up attendance for their event.

Try to get a tire delivery and service provider at the event. Also an emergency welder (if you don't already know Carlos who often does this at VIR and Summit I can put you in touch with him).

What will you do for timing? If you don't have your own system I'm not sure if VIR offers a system. I thought the system came from the org renting the track. For this reason also you may want to partner with an org like NASA as they might be able to provide the timing system and transponder rentals for you.

If I'm preaching to the choir here, pardon I wasn't sure just how much planning had already gone into this idea.

 

[Evo3Codriver]

Maybe.

I plan to enter my Laser in a time attack at Summit in November. Only 3 cars registered so far and 2 are Vettes. Come help if you can.

Rain, .... rain is the great equalizer. [/Raindance]

 

[finnie3d]

Not just the ZR1. Last and current gen Z06's are monstrous with just tires. Everyone will have to bring their A game just to get on the same level. Anyway I'll stop being negative nancy and leave it at that

Definitely pitch this to other makes as DSM track drivers are few and far between. I can probably count the local ones on one hand (hell I can probably count the sum of east coast DSM track drivers on two). The Evo guys are going to be your best bet. If you get in touch with AMS in MD they can put you in touch with at least a couple Evo time trialers (I know them but only from track events, not personally nor do I have their direct contact info). There are a number on evolutionm.net as well.

I'd get thinking on your classing immediately as that's going to shape your attendance quite a bit. You will make this a much more popular and closer competition if you have a number of street tire categories as that's where our AWD is going to make the most impact plus it opens up your pool of potential entrants with how few Mitsubishi folks actually track their cars. If you allow any tire you're going to get folks with a lot more money than your average Mitsu owner with a huge leg up just from tires alone.

You might want to partner with an organization's weekend HPDE event. You could run your event on a Friday (possibly saving you money in track rental) and have the org's HPDE weekend event as a follow-on. This may attract more folks as they can come to watch or drive yours, and still have more days in the weekend for driving (as it's quite a trek for many to get to VIR and one day of driving is not enough for that beautiful course). Maybe you can even get a kickback from the org since you're arguably driving up attendance for their event.

Try to get a tire delivery and service provider at the event. Also an emergency welder (if you don't already know Carlos who often does this at VIR and Summit I can put you in touch with him).

What will you do for timing? If you don't have your own system I'm not sure if VIR offers a system. I thought the system came from the org renting the track. For this reason also you may want to partner with an org like NASA as they might be able to provide the timing system and transponder rentals for you.

If I'm preaching to the choir here, pardon I wasn't sure just how much planning had already gone into this idea.

Not overkill at all TSI. Excellent Input! This is my first event, it is a big one, and I care a lot about these cars and our race community and making sure everything is fun, competitive and safe. So thanks a lot for your experienced perspective. I sent an email to NASA inquiring about them sanctioning, administering, timing and scoring the event. (No response yet, but I'm seure they get a lot of those.) As I work on my checklist of all necessary items, your input will prove invaluable. So feel free! I'll run with what you gave me for now, but I'm always open. Reach out any time.

Maybe.

I plan to enter my Laser in a time attack at Summit in November. Only 3 cars registered so far and 2 are Vettes. Come help if you can.

Rain, .... rain is the great equalizer. [/Raindance]

Evo 3, this event is THIS November? Do you have a link or something you can provide to get everybody the info?

 

[snowborder714]

NASA Mid-Atlantic » 11/2-3/13 @ SPR

 

[TSiAWD666]

Evo3codriver's not going to that NASA event (though I plan to be there). He's looking at the NARRA event to avoid the NASA time trial license requirements.

 

[NWHTanK]

Ugh way not so ready!

 

[Evo3Codriver]

My plan is to run the EMRA time trial the following weekend because its a small group w/ seattime galore and it'll be my birthday weekend.

EMRA - Eastern Motor Racing Assoc. announces EMRA'S FALL FINALE AT SUMMIT POINT Saturday, Nov 9 — Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 info at Summit Point - Main, Summit Point, WV 25446 (6674) - MotorsportReg.com

 

[TSicktalon]

I'll show up and cheer for everybody (except scoobies).

 

[Evo3Codriver]

I'll show up and cheer for everybody (except scoobies).

I race in Subies more than Mitsu. I like them. They fly better.
Its all the same, just different. I like cars and racing period. Run what you brung. Variety adds spice.

Corvettes will crush on VIR. How about Shenandoah circuit at Summit? Wish the November EMRA event was there instead of on Main. Plus it's cheaper to rent.

 

[finnie3d]

Corvettes will crush on VIR. [/QUOTE]

That's exactly the belief we have to exploit in order to win this fight. Styles like Aikido and Tai Chi allows a smaller opponent to win against a larger one by using their strength and pride against them. If we were trying to go Power v. Power, you'd be right about Corvette's easy win. But we're going to outSMART the beast...

So, while all input is allowed, personally, I'd appreciate much more positive feedback here, man. Instead of saying, "we can't do this", try saying "how do we do this?". Because the truth is, it WILL happen. What you have to ask yourself is, "do you want to be a part of our community success or not?"

None of us can do this alone, but look at our strength. The beauty of this site is how so many of us are so willing to help each other in order to keep Mitsubishi strong. We know how strong our cars are. It's time to show the world...

Let's GO! #DiamondsTogether! #Diamonds4Ever!

 

[LandoAWD]

There really isn't a replacement for displacement, and people who road race Corvettes are not Joe Sundaycarshow with some chrome bits tacked on.

I think the sentiment, enthusiasm, and blind loyalty are sweet, but you should sprinkle in some reality and lose the hashtags in the same bin where the rose colored glasses will go.

everything I've said so far

^^That.

 

[finnie3d]

There really isn't a replacement for displacement, and people who road race Corvettes are not Joe Sundaycarshow with some chrome bits tacked on.

I think the sentiment, enthusiasm, and blind loyalty are sweet, but you should sprinkle in some reality and lose the hashtags in the same bin where the rose colored glasses will go.


^^That.

Yes there is. And it's called Boost, and Traction, d**n! It's some negative dudes around here... I didn't say it would be easy, in fact it may be the toughest race we'll ever run. What i DID say, is that it's possible, and it WILL happen. So either get with it or go do something else. But if you're not with it, why even say anything. Just stand around and watch like all the other non-believers. If I'm reading your profile right, you don't even have a DSM or Mitsubishi anymore. So how would you know? Have you even tried? A Genesis and a CRV? o_o

This thread is for the believers. TSIAWD666 knows the truth. Who else?

 

[LandoAWD]

Yes there is. And it's called Boost, and Traction, d**n! It's some negative dudes around here... I didn't say it would be easy, in fact it may be the toughest race we'll ever run. What i DID say, is that it's possible, and it WILL happen. So either get with it or go do something else. But if you're not with it, why even say anything. Just stand around and watch like all the other non-believers. If I'm reading your profile right, you don't even have a DSM or Mitsubishi anymore. So how would you know? Have you even tried? A Genesis and a CRV? o_o

This thread is for the believers. TSIAWD666 knows the truth. Who else?

Since you're reading profiles, you should consider reading comprehension. I did DSMs for 14 YEARS. What I drive is irrelevant to my knowledge. If what we drove was relevant to this discussion, I'd question someone who makes 150hp leading a drive to "show up some Vettes, y0".

There IS NO replacement for displacement. This IS a simple matter of physics. "But Lando, a turbo will...blahblahblah". Cool beans. Now, turbo that LS!

Do you understand class based racing? Show up at an auto-x and pay attention.

Don't want differing opinions? Don't post online.

 

[sax_man]

If I'm reading your profile right, you don't even have a DSM or Mitsubishi anymore. So how would you know? Have you even tried?

So if I'm reading your profile right you have 20 posts and no horespower. What have you done? What have you tried? How would you know? (see how this works?)

Lando has been here a while, and you'd do well to pay attention to those who know more than you. I understand post count isn't everything, but it's usually a good idea to listen to those who have been around the block once or twice.

For god sakes, on that video you posted you said you were going to make your mighty max faster than a vette around a track.

 

[LandoAWD]

Stop bringing context to this dream.

New guy: We have some amazing drivers and cars on this site, but your simple-minded approach is going to end up one of two ways:
1. You eating crow served hot and fresh off an LSx
2. The event never materializing

If it does happen, I will come watch. I'm only 45mins from VIR.

 

[snowborder714]

I've been on a track with 4 Vettes at the same time - everything from a standard model, Z06, and even a Callaway edition. They will spank us for sure in the straights for sure. And if they're any sort of decent driver, they will also keep that going through the turns. I honestly don't think it's possible with any car less than John's. The driver will also have to be on top of his game, even though some of the Vette drivers are really just rich old white guys out there having fun. But to have that machine at their disposal instantly makes them a bit better than they would be with any other normal car.

I'd definitely be down to try my luck and have some fun, but with my measly horsepower numbers, I just can't hang in the straights.

 

[finnie3d]

Ok. Differing opinions it is...

All I'm saying is, everything seems impossible until someone does it. You say it can't be done, ok. That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

I plan to do it. I don't know exactly how long it will take, or exactly how much it will cost. But I will do it. If there are others who believe that it can be done, even if it's hard, then let me know. Its as simple as that.

There will always be naysayers. Critics thought Albert Einstein was mentally retarded when he first purported his theory of relativity. And who would doubt it now...? You might think the same of me, but I won't stop.

If we never try, you're right, we'll never do it. I will try, and I will succeed. Are you with me?

It doesn't matter if I've done it before, if I do it now. And if you'll notice, the premise of the Main Event is, for (roughly) $38,600/car, each of the three will be faster. So Mighty Max + (roughly) $38,600 = faster than ZR1, = promo and marketing for Mitsubishi Engineering, = more unity for the Mitsubishi community so the brand does NOT disappear, but regains footing and momentum in the market at large.

The only reason the legendary Greeks of "300" lost to the Persians initially, is because they were betrayed and flanked.
Up to that point, their determination, unity and strength totally won the day. We are few against many, yes. But we WILL win - together.

 

[LandoAWD]

I do admire your gumption.

Virginia International Raceway lap records - FastestLaps.com

Jussayin. Check 80, 90, and for giggles, 94.

Edit:

My remaining points/restated points
1. Do we have some excellent drivers here? Yep. Given similar hardware? Doable
2. Assume we take a SUPER modified car and put it up against a stock car; what have you proven?
3. Same "mod level" on both platforms? Outcome not good.

 

[95talongirl]

This is a rather amusing thread.

You should just do it to do it.... not to try to prove something that no one really cares about anyways.

I have nothing against corvettes, or any car with that kind of engineering behind it. I think it's cool what the OEM's have been able to do year after year. The fact that those cars can be such track monsters AND carry a factory warranty is amazing to me in its own right.

If you want to go out there and prove that a 20-something yr old platform can hang with the newer stuff, then by all means do it. But like everyone else is saying here..... it is more than just the car, you need a driver to go with it. Better start practicing!

 

[finnie3d]

Thanks Lando. I'm just passionate.

Yeah, I checked those lap records already...

But here's something I think is key. Corvette celebrates being able to have 638 (not even wheel, brake) horsepower for $115K. How many boosted DSM, EVO, 3KGT's have you seen (that's 6 cyls, max) with 1000BHP, for half that price? Factory support has been key to Corvette's success. It makes it easier and more accessible and therefore more popular. Mitsubishi engineering has always been very potent, but because of the direction of the parent company, the factory never took the time to fully develop what they had. Individuals have had to fight over time to squeeze as much potential out of the platforms as possible. But if you'll notice, the market at large is now turning to tech we've been using for years:

2.4L 4cyl NA Mighty Max (Cadillac ATS 2.5), Turbo 2.0 DSM (Genesis, and Cadillac ATS), 3.8L V6 Galant (Genesis, and <3.6> Cadillac ATS), Twin Turbo AWD V6 3KGT VR4 (Ford's eco-boost, and Nissan GTR).

Had Mitsu Motors North America done what they were supposed to do with these glorious seeds of performance, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. They had a 23 year head start! (using 1990 for reference)

Better now than never... I feel if we work hard to pull out every ounce of potential from the core tech, we'll already be well on our way to a win. Aftermarket support at that point will only multiply our strength.

Careful planning, very specific and meaningful mods, true care and concern for the platform will produce Mitsubishis to shock the world. imo.

 

[LandoAWD]

But here's something I think is key. Corvette celebrates being able to have 638 (not even wheel, brake) horsepower for $115K. How many boosted DSM, EVO, 3KGT's have you seen (that's 6 cyls, max) with 1000BHP, for half that price?

Apples to goat fur. This is the stock v modded argument in a nutshell.

2.4L 4cyl NA Mighty Max (Cadillac ATS 2.5), Turbo 2.0 DSM (Genesis, and Cadillac ATS), 3.8L V6 Galant (Genesis, and <3.6> Cadillac ATS), Twin Turbo AWD V6 3KGT VR4 (Ford's eco-boost, and Nissan GTR).

To be fair, Mistu didn't "invent" these things, they just made a very mod friendly engine in the 4g63. The others are debatable in terms of relevance to the performance world. (check the 3si records...)

Hell, the 2.0T tech in the 4g isn't even related to my engine.

 

[finnie3d]

Apples to goat fur. This is the stock v modded argument in a nutshell.

To be fair, Mistu didn't "invent" these things, they just made a very mod friendly engine in the 4g63. The others are debatable in terms of relevance to the performance world. (check the 3si records...)

Hell, the 2.0T tech in the 4g isn't even related to my engine.

Goat Fur?! Maybe you're right. But I'l guess we'll see soon, huh?
Thanks for the feedback.