Think Driving Fast is Fun? WARNING! GRAPHIC!

[SpawnedX]

The law and it's enforcers tell you what to do. The rest of us are showing you why.

If you don't like it so much, next time you see a cop on the side of the highway, stop and let him know that you should be allowed to speed, because you are responsible about it. If he doesn't haul your ass to the station to bust your balls, he will laugh at your ass and then write down your plate for later harassment.

 

[Fotowntalon]

Maybe some moron (possibly even someone on this site) saw that video, and instead of getting plowed and running you and your G/F (or parents, kids, etc) down someday, he's the one that now acts a little more mature and saves your life. Still think the video is useless under those circumstances?

As i said, the few that take it to heart will be mirrored by the few who take offense and rebel. If you want to argue hypothetically, then what if someone saw that video and because of plowed into someone (g/f, parent, kid, etc.). Maybe they do have some mental issue or something, maybe they dont. Hell its the internet, hell maybe someone was drunk laughing about it with his buddy's and went driving because of this, i mean we could throw out hypothetical scenario's all day, they arnt a good way of reasoning, because for every scenario for it, there is one against it.

Bottom line, i personally find these videos pointless and an offense because their main goal is to make money via playing on peoples emotions.

 

[Calan]

That's just because I feel strongly about people trying to tell me what to do when they don't even know me as a person, just as a message boad persona. I invite anyone who feels what I am doing as wrong to come to where I live and sit it on the way to my job. I would change their mind about me and I know it.

It's based on what you're typing.

When you say "I go 75 in a 55 zone", how would you expect someone to not call you out on that in this thread? What does that have to do with whether we know you or not? It goes both ways; it's one "message board persona" responding to another. If you feel strongly about that, then you should probably get off the internet and go out and get a life or something.

That's a lot like if I typed "I hate all 4-foot-tall green people", and then I got all butt-hurt because someone climbed on my ass for being a racist against short green people.

 

[Calan]

Bottom line, i personally find these videos pointless and an offense because their main goal is to make money via playing on peoples emotions.

I've been involved in something similar to this before and the sole purpose was to hopefully bring awareness to people.

Please show me the financial statements and explain who it was that profited by this. You have me curious and I'd like to know.

 

[SpawnedX]

As i said, the few that take it to heart will be mirrored by the few who take offense and rebel. If you want to argue hypothetically, then what if someone saw that video and because of plowed into someone (g/f, parent, kid, etc.). Maybe they do have some mental issue or something, maybe they dont. Hell its the internet, hell maybe someone was drunk laughing about it with his buddy's and went driving because of this, i mean we could throw out hypothetical scenario's all day, they arnt a good way of reasoning, because for every scenario for it, there is one against it.

Bottom line, i personally find these videos pointless and an offense because their main goal is to make money via playing on peoples emotions.

Your argument holds no weight. LiveLeaks didn't make or own that video. It's just being hosted there, it was also on YouTube and TheYNC.com. LiveLeaks is trying to make money off the advertisers, not the maker of the film, which actually is never listed. I doubt it was even made by a company.

Also, you can throw me all those hypothetical situations. I will just counter each one, 2 to 1, with news articles of real innocent people dying from accidents involving speed. There is nothing hypothetical about that.

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Just as an interesting fact, I am known by a lot of police departments out this way for going to car shows and cruise nights of all sorts and handing out RASR stickers. Some of them even know of many "illegal" modifications to my car. I also can drive my car by a slew of them with no harassment.

Why? Because they no my stance on speeding and street racing. I was there fighting for a local track. I was there to witness the death of a friend. I have been caught before and changed my ways. They aren't concerned with what I am going to be doing when I am out of sight.

So the less these things happen, the less attention we will get. Propaganda or not.

 

[JonathanNL]

not the maker of the film, which actually is never listed. I doubt it was even made by a company.

Actually a big part of the movies in there (and I mean the acted ones, where they zoom in on the victoms at the moment of or just after the impact) are save driving commercials from the United Kingdom. I will assume those are payed for by the government. In the Netherlands we had a simmilar set of movies were they showed victoms of firework accidents to raise awareness of the dangers of lighting fireworks on new years eve. They have been proven to be quite effective.

 

[SpawnedX]

Actually a big part of the movies in there (and I mean the acted ones, where they zoom in on the victoms at the moment of or just after the impact) are save driving commercials from the United Kingdom. I will assume those are payed for by the government. In the Netherlands we had a simmilar set of movies were they showed victoms of firework accidents to raise awareness of the dangers of lighting fireworks on new years eve. They have been proven to be quite effective.

Thanks for clearing that up Jonathan. It is helpful to know where the images are coming from. I have to say I find the EU to be very progressive and ahead of us here in the US on these social issues.

 

[ramsack]

I just think being a boy scout and obeying 100% of the laws is just insane and false. I just think people are full of hipocricy and anyone that says they are 100% perfect and obey all laws all the time is a liar. I drive how I want, I am open about it, I am not an asshole on the roads. As I said before I invite anyone to come here and observe how these roads work and you will understand that my 75 in a 55 is normal. I do realize that it's unlawful, but it's not blatant because it's just the way it works here. Maybe if I came to where you live and drove how I do here I would be cited. Much like how NJ people drive in this state, and drive like total assholes. If I go and drive in NJ And don't cut people off or drive like an asshole I will get the finger from most every car.

 

[SpawnedX]

I just think being a boy scout and obeying 100% of the laws is just insane and false. I just think people are full of hipocricy and anyone that says they are 100% perfect and obey all laws all the time is a liar. I drive how I want, I am open about it, I am not an asshole on the roads. As I said before I invite anyone to come here and observe how these roads work and you will understand that my 75 in a 55 is normal. I do realize that it's unlawful, but it's not blatant because it's just the way it works here. Maybe if I came to where you live and drove how I do here I would be cited. Much like how NJ people drive in this state, and drive like total assholes. If I go and drive in NJ And don't cut people off or drive like an asshole I will get the finger from most every car.

You are being blatant to a T, you are openly and unashamedly admitting to willfully disobeying the law.

No one here has ever said that they follow all rules and laws. I am sure all of us have been over the posted speed limit before. However, what the people doing this video, compared to the guy doing 60 in a 55, is so far different it isn't even funny.

If you are so sure that what you are doing is not reckless, and that you never act like those people, than why are you so determined to defend that sort of driving?

No court of law accepts the "but everyone else does it" defense. None. Be a leader not a follower.

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I am about saving lifes of the people in the car that the jerk driving like an a-hole hits. I don't care about the a-hole himself. If all car accidents only killed the one being a douche, than I wouldn't care. However, I am here to promote life saving behaviors. You are obviously here to blatantly disregard and disrespect those who don't want to be plowed into by a jerk at 125 mph. Why do you even bother? You hate life so much, go find a telephone pole to hit, until you decide to end your existence, stop advocating the threat on others.

 

[ramsack]

I really don't know what your problem is anymore. As I said before, come here, see how it works. Do 55-60 with all the 80-year-olds and be prepared to get the finger a lot

I am about not dealing with people blowing things out of proportion. I don't drive like an asshole, where are you getting this from?

My brother killed himself by getting drunk as hell and plowing under a parked truck. It never really concerned me. Even if it did I wouldn't go join some organization. If someone is determined enough to be irresponsible they will do so whether or not they are educated on what can happen.

 

[Fotowntalon]

Yet EU has country's with the autobahn, interesting...
Just something to think about, out of all those statistics you linked on deaths involving speed, how many died from speed? Let me clear that up some... in how many of the accidents would the outcomes have been different if both drivers were going the speed limit? If you are driving and a kid walks out in front of the car (because they arn't paying attention) you wont have time to react if you. If you were speeding or not that kid is more than likely gone. Yet if you were speeding I am sure it would get filed into that statistic. To clear that up. Not trying to start another debate, but just something for you to think about, statistics are rarely accurate because they can always be manipulated to saw whatever, and normally the source you are getting them from has manipulated it in one way or another to prove their point.

Another example, a few months ago, my two year old son was almost hit by a speeding driver. My kid was standing a foot from me in a parking lot when some asshole in an impala came spinning out cause he was either pissed or trying to impress some buddies, the reason doesnt matter. Thankfully I pulled my kid back and the asshole took off. Took a lot to not chase after him, but thats besides the point. Point is, speed wasnt the issue, it was some jack ass behind the wheel of a car not thinking. Even had he been going the 10 mph or w.e it is in that certain lot, had something happened it wouldn't of mattered if he was going 10 or 50mph, just another instance to clarify by what i mean on statistics.

As for actually information on who is prospering off this. I dont know, nor do i plan on putting effort into looking it up. I am sure that "liveleaks" could get something out of simply hosting a popular video. If it is the government then good for that government, if its not then there is a good chance I am right. Regardless, I go back to something i said before, I am not changing your mind, and you are not changing mine, or ramsacks for that matter .

 

[dsm-onster]

But speed WAS the issue. He was displaying jackass behavior by pulling out of the parking spot too quickly. You can't get on someones case because the are a jackass inside. All you can do is crack down on them when it comes out in the form of an action. Law punishes actions not feelings.

Look no one here is a professional movie critic. Who cares how the video was made? Who cares how off the circumstances are? It is about the theme of the video. Video $ucks nvts. But the reality of what it's theam is about $ucks nvts as well. It's bad. And you shouldn't do it. We all can agree on that, right?

Ramsack. I know you're attempting to defend your right to feel what ever you want. That's what this is. We don't know you except for the "internet persona' you leave. But that's yours to leave. That's all we have to go on. Who are you really? do you know right from wrong with respect to the law? You are bright and you know the answer to that. Excesive is subjective to the circumstances. There's a point where the speed is excessive no matter the circumstance.

 

[SpawnedX]

Yet EU has country's with the autobahn, interesting...

They also have driving tests that most Americans can and won't pass. Look it up.

Just something to think about, out of all those statistics you linked on deaths involving speed, how many died from speed? Let me clear that up some... in how many of the accidents would the outcomes have been different if both drivers were going the speed limit? If you are driving and a kid walks out in front of the car (because they arn't paying attention) you wont have time to react if you. If you were speeding or not that kid is more than likely gone. Yet if you were speeding I am sure it would get filed into that statistic. To clear that up. Not trying to start another debate, but just something for you to think about, statistics are rarely accurate because they can always be manipulated to saw whatever, and normally the source you are getting them from has manipulated it in one way or another to prove their point.

Maybe not all of the kids in said instance would have been avoided being hit. But if you have 5 examples of that and say even if only 2 it would have saved the kid, it was worth it to not have those 5 people speeding. 1 life saved has infinite value, especially when it comes to a child.

Another example, a few months ago, my two year old son was almost hit by a speeding driver. My kid was standing a foot from me in a parking lot when some asshole in an impala came spinning out cause he was either pissed or trying to impress some buddies, the reason doesnt matter. Thankfully I pulled my kid back and the asshole took off. Took a lot to not chase after him, but thats besides the point. Point is, speed wasnt the issue, it was some jack ass behind the wheel of a car not thinking. Even had he been going the 10 mph or w.e it is in that certain lot, had something happened it wouldn't of mattered if he was going 10 or 50mph, just another instance to clarify by what i mean on statistics.

How do you keep missing the point. The faster you are going the more likely the accident is to happen. Period.

As for actually information on who is prospering off this. I dont know, nor do i plan on putting effort into looking it up. I am sure that "liveleaks" could get something out of simply hosting a popular video. If it is the government then good for that government, if its not then there is a good chance I am right. Regardless, I go back to something i said before, I am not changing your mind, and you are not changing mine, or ramsacks for that matter .

I am sorry wanting save lives is not a noble cause to you. That is as blunt as I need to be.

I would be all for raising the driving age to 26. Since apparently the under 25 population is made of stupid.

 

[ramsack]

Another reason why I don't think I'm an asshole of a driver. I get idiot ricers come up beside me all the time and rev and take off. Then they proceed to take off and dip and weave through traffic. I may not be doing the speed limit at the time, but not far over. And you know what I do? Nothing. I don't give them any satisfaction by even revving at them. This is why I feel I don't drive like an asshole. I don't drive aggresively, I just go with the flow. I would never argue in court that I am just going with the flow. I'm not stupid. I'll plead guilty and take the fines. But I'm just not gonna go driving around slower than traffic. If I am going with traffic is it my fault if someone else causes an accident just because I am one of the many that are going over the speed limit? If I am driving beside a semi doing 70 in a 55 and I am doing 70, and his tire pops and he crushes me and causes a pile-up, is it equally my fault? No.

SpawnedX, you really should become a police officer. Then you can directly save lives and ticket people.

 

[dsm-onster]

^^^THAT is a very good thing to be proud of. You're not perpetuating the wrongdoing.

As I said, I don't think anyone is arguing that going with the flow of traffic is morally wrong.

 

[SpawnedX]

I really don't know what your problem is anymore. As I said before, come here, see how it works. Do 55-60 with all the 80-year-olds and be prepared to get the finger a lot

I am about not dealing with people blowing things out of proportion. I don't drive like an asshole, where are you getting this from?

My brother killed himself by getting drunk as hell and plowing under a parked truck. It never really concerned me. Even if it did I wouldn't go join some organization. If someone is determined enough to be irresponsible they will do so whether or not they are educated on what can happen.

I'm not allowed to follow an idiot driver and give them some good old vigilante justice. If I could I would, until then I am going to point out that science and physics says the faster you drive, the longer you need to react safely and the more damage you do. Plain and simple.

My problem is that you think you have the right to determine the outcome of someone else's life because you think you have the right to speed because it's your life to live. Well, when everyone gets their own private roads that only they themselves use, you can act as you wish. Until then, they aren't your roads, and the people in the other car's lives aren't yours to decide.

 

[SpawnedX]

Another reason why I don't think I'm an asshole of a driver. I get idiot ricers come up beside me all the time and rev and take off. Then they proceed to take off and dip and weave through traffic. I may not be doing the speed limit at the time, but not far over. And you know what I do? Nothing. I don't give them any satisfaction by even revving at them. This is why I feel I don't drive like an asshole. I don't drive aggresively, I just go with the flow. I would never argue in court that I am just going with the flow. I'm not stupid. I'll plead guilty and take the fines. But I'm just not gonna go driving around slower than traffic. If I am going with traffic is it my fault if someone else causes an accident just because I am one of the many that are going over the speed limit? If I am driving beside a semi doing 70 in a 55 and I am doing 70, and his tire pops and he crushes me and causes a pile-up, is it equally my fault? No.

SpawnedX, you really should become a police officer. Then you can directly save lives and ticket people.

I don't have to my brother is doing it for me.

You keep arguing about you not being an a-hole driver. I am pretty sure that nowhere in the title or thread did I say "Don't drive like ramsack, who obviously drives like the people in this video." The people in those video are clearly not going with the flow of traffic. The flow of traffic isn't passing on the wrong side of the rode, or weaving in and out.

So either you have a guilty mind, have absolutely no ability to decipher the difference, or like to argue for the sake of arguing. Specifically since your argument is in so many tangents, I am going with the third.

 

[Fotowntalon]

They also have driving tests that most Americans can and won't pass. Look it up.

And I would be a major supporter of us adapting advanced driving tests, our current tests are way to easy and allow to many bad drivers on the road.

How do you keep missing the point. The faster you are going the more likely the accident is to happen. Period.

I have said nothing to refute this, I simply asked you to think about the question I asked you, so you could open your mind and realize how easily statistics can be manipulated to prove one thing or another.

I am sorry wanting save lives is not a noble cause to you. That is as blunt as I need to be.

I see nothing wrong with wanting to save lives, I see something wrong with force feeding things to people. like the whole "BAM in your face if you speed you are evil and murder people, and if you disagree you are immature and stupid!" approach. I know thats not how it started out, but that's how many of these reply's have been, mainly those directed at ramsack.

I would be all for raising the driving age to 26. Since apparently the under 25 population is made of stupid.

Now this is just "stupid". You are getting offended by people have different views, so feel the need to attack peoples age (by the way age does not = maturity level). While I do believe the driving age should be upped to 18, I dont see the need to attack. This whole thread is one of the main reasons that Politics, and religion are banned from this site, because they lead to things like this. Not going anywhere and people just getting frustrated and pissed.

 

[Calan]

...or like to argue for the sake of arguing. Specifically since your argument is in so many tangents, I am going with the third.

Ding Ding Ding!

We have a winner!

 

[ramsack]

^^^THAT is a very good thing to be proud of. You're not perpetuating the wrongdoing.

As I said, I don't think anyone is arguing that going with the flow of traffic is morally wrong.

And I am just arguing that the asshole drivers should be shot. They cause accidents. Yes I speed, but I go with the flow of traffic, so I am no more a danger than anyone else. If everyone did 55 I would do 55. What about the people who have kids in their cars doing 80 down the highway driving like a maniac? That is worse because they are putting their own kids right in harm's way. I DO see it all the time and I get passed by these assholes. They have trains that go like 300 mph. If that were to be involved in an accident somehow imagine how tragic that would be. To me that is blatant. I just don't like to be labeled as part of a problem.

Driving test in PA are a joke. You go around a neighborhood which is 25. You never see highway traffic. Anyone can learn to drive safely in a neighborhood. You just go the speed limit and pay attention. On the highway you have to deal with people making their own speeds, passing, merging. I really feel driving tests should be more advanced. That is definitely part of the problem.

 

[SpawnedX]

And I would be a major supporter of us adapting advanced driving tests, our current tests are way to easy and allow to many bad drivers on the road.

Good we agree on something.

I have said nothing to refute this, I simply asked you to think about the question I asked you, so you could open your mind and realize how easily facts can eb manipulated to prove one thing or another.

You can't manipulate facts. Then they become lies. You can be selective about the facts you provide yes, but the only facts I gave came from the NHTSA. I for one have no way of disproving them, do you? This video offered no facts, it offered consequences of situations people put themselves in. Consequences are not guaranteed. However, they are always possibilities.

I see nothing wrong with wanting to save lives, I see something wrong with force feeding things to people. like the whole "BAM in your face if you speed you are evil and murder people, and if you disagree you are immature and stupid!" approach. I know thats not how it started out, but that's how many of these reply's have been, mainly those directed at ramsack.

No one forced anyone to open this thread. That choice was their's and their's alone. No force feeding happened. They also did not have to reply, by doing so you open yourself to the comments.

As far as ramsack goes, I don't even think he knows what he is arguing about. He clearly thinks doing 70 in a 60 is the same thing as passing on the wrong side of the road doing 100 in a 60.

Now this is just "stupid". You are getting offended by people have different views, so feel the need to attack peoples age (by the way age does not = maturity level). While I do believe the driving age should be upped to 18, I dont see the need to attack. This whole thread is one of the main reasons that Politics, and religion are banned from this site, because they lead to things like this. Not going anywhere and people just getting frustrated and pissed.

I'm not attacking anyone's age, 16-25 is an age group in insurance and driving safety. It also is one of the highest fatality rates in accidents, and almost half of them involve speed. Those are facts. That is where the age 25 comes from. In fact I don't know how old either of you are.

 

[Calan]

I see something wrong with force feeding things to people. like the whole "BAM in your face if you speed you are evil and murder people, and if you disagree you are immature and stupid!" approach.

Shock (i.e. "BAM in your face") video works great for the entertainment industry...in fact, young people thrive on it.

What's wrong with using that same approach to get across a message that is MUCH more important than some POS entertainment?

Considering what get's people's attention these days, I think it's pretty damn smart of the producers of that video to recognize it and use it to get their point across. Even if it doesn't affect a lot of young people who could care less about themselves or other people, maybe it will make people stop and think for just a moment.

I know I was a little more aware than I am usually am after seeing it...and I've been driving on public roads for 30 years.

 

[SpawnedX]

And I am just arguing that the asshole drivers should be shot. They cause accidents. Yes I speed, but I go with the flow of traffic, so I am no more a danger than anyone else. If everyone did 55 I would do 55. What about the people who have kids in their cars doing 80 down the highway driving like a maniac? That is worse because they are putting their own kids right in harm's way. I DO see it all the time and I get passed by these assholes. They have trains that go like 300 mph. If that were to be involved in an accident somehow imagine how tragic that would be. To me that is blatant. I just don't like to be labeled as part of a problem.

Driving test in PA are a joke. You go around a neighborhood which is 25. You never see highway traffic. Anyone can learn to drive safely in a neighborhood. You just go the speed limit and pay attention. On the highway you have to deal with people making their own speeds, passing, merging. I really feel driving tests should be more advanced. That is definitely part of the problem.

You clearly need a dictionary and look up what blatant is. You are blatantly admitting to speeding. Blatant simply means openly and unashamedly. Blatant is an adjective. An adjective cannot be inherent bad or good, whatever follows that word is what determines it's stance.

All I see in your argument is you saying that everything about that video, you see people doing and it pisses you off, but trying to stop people from doing that is wrong.

You have the vaguest side in the world. You really need to decide where you stand.

 

[ramsack]

I am 25. I DID used to drive like an asshole. And I don't know if one day I woke up and figured "hey, I could kill myself or others doing this, I should stop" or if I just grew out of it gradually. I look back all the time and think about how stupid I was when I was young, with everything. But I can't change that. Every time I drive I go with a feeling of responsibility towards others. If I do 75 it is on an open stretch. If I find I may be going too fast, say I am doing 75, and I encounter people who are going like 60, I slow it down to like 65. It's not like I just make the passing lane mine and do 75 all the way to work. Just in bursts. I slow down near ramps too.

I am doing something about it. Paying taxes that pay for officers, because it is their job to directly do something about it. I will never join an organization for a cause to change things. This is an organization I suppose, but I don't feel it has any kind of cause to try to change the world. People do learn from tickets, and the ones that don't are the ones who lose their licenses forever.

 

[SpawnedX]

I am 25. I DID used to drive like an asshole. And I don't know if one day I woke up and figured "hey, I could kill myself or others doing this, I should stop" or if I just grew out of it gradually. I look back all the time and think about how stupid I was when I was young, with everything. But I can't change that. Every time I drive I go with a feeling of responsibility towards others. If I do 75 it is on an open stretch. If I find I may be going too fast, say I am doing 75, and I encounter people who are going like 60, I slow it down to like 65. It's not like I just make the passing lane mine and do 75 all the way to work. Just in bursts. I slow down near ramps too.

So then what's your problem with this video? These situations did not involve just speeding. They were clearly engaging in other reckless activities. In fact speeding is where you directed this conversation.

Let me quote my opening line...

Watch this video next time you want to brag about your kill story.

I am definitely targeting a specific type of person with that comment. I promise you a kill story involves doing something much more stupid than the flow of traffic.

I am doing something about it. Paying taxes that pay for officers, because it is their job to directly do something about it. I will never join an organization for a cause to change things. This is an organization I suppose, but I don't feel it has any kind of cause to try to change the world. People do learn from tickets, and the ones that don't are the ones who lose their licenses forever.

This is so anti-itself. SEMA is the largest organization against street racing. They are also the largest organization, and they actually fight and finance the fight, against targeting and unfair automotive legislature. If they can do both successfully, why can't others?