Think Driving Fast is Fun? WARNING! GRAPHIC!

[ramsack]

I see, so where you live street racers stop accelerating at the speed limit?

I lived the life so many people here want to live. There is no excuse or need to speed and speed kills. I lost a friend, whom I will personally vouch for as being one of the most skilled drivers I have ever met to speeding and stupidity. In fact he crashed on a road that we had all previously done almost 100 on with no problems.

Why? Because the roads will always be unpredictable and things can change in an instance. At 100 MPH you don't have enough time to react.

And that was his choice to do that and risk his own life. It's like you want to be his parent and prevent him from speeding. Anything can happen at any time. Living in fear of everything and trying to control it is not the answer. I speed because I would literally fall asleep of boredom if I didn't. That would be pretty dangerous if I fell asleep, wouldn't it? I know I risk my own life, but I really don't care. As I said I follow the speed limit where there could be kids playing.

 

[SpawnedX]

And that was his choice to do that and risk his own life. It's like you want to be his parent and prevent him from speeding. Anything can happen at any time. Living in fear of everything and trying to control it is not the answer. I speed because I would literally fall asleep of boredom if I didn't. That would be pretty dangerous if I fell asleep, wouldn't it? I know I risk my own life, but I really don't care. As I said I follow the speed limit where there could be kids playing.

Straight immaturity again.

I don't care if YOU die when you speed. I care about the person who just happened to be on the road at the time you decided to be reckless and got killed. Watch the video again, the people who died were the innocent ones.

 

[ramsack]

In my case it is not immaturity. If 90% of the people on a 55 mph road are going 70-80 mph and that is the flow of traffic, it then becomes the people who are doing 55 that become the danger. Come drive my route to work. 55 mph limit the whole way. A minority of people do 55 and they are a danger. I'm not grasping for anything to argue with. We just have different opinion. I don't know what makes you think you are right and anyone who speeds is evil. You do what you do on your roads where you live, and I'll drive how I want to where I live. I choose to stick with the flow of traffic.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

That's why speed limits were created. Someone determined that at the posted speed you would have enough time and distance to react to these everyday events in fashion likely to not kill people.

I like how every professional motorsport racing in the world has a black flag when there is an accident or potential road issue. That means the professionals, the guys guaranteed to be better than you, agree that unknowns mean that speed needs to be reduced to a point where they can react appropriately. Tell those guys they are wrong and unskilled.

If speeding doesn't cause accidents, tell that to the guy who has his Toyota Camy rocking at 120-MPH on tires rated for 101 max (at short intervals) when they blow out and he flips over and kills the baby in the backseat of the car next to him.

Well see... that goes back to it being the drivers' fault. If he hadn't had been retarded.. none of that wouldn't have happened, would it?

^^

 

[SpawnedX]

Well see... that goes back to it being the drivers' fault. If he hadn't had been retarded.. none of that wouldn't have happened, would it?

^^

Yes he was retarded... for SPEEDING. The speeding part made him the retard. see how it is all relative.

Stop making excuses and drive the speed limit. You can't win an argument based in stupidity, I am sorry.

 

[SpawnedX]

In my case it is not immaturity. If 90% of the people on a 55 mph road are going 70-80 mph and that is the flow of traffic, it then becomes the people who are doing 55 that become the danger. Come drive my route to work. 55 mph limit the whole way. A minority of people do 55 and they are a danger. I'm not grasping for anything to argue with. We just have different opinion. I don't know what makes you think you are right and anyone who speeds is evil. You do what you do on your roads where you live, and I'll drive how I want to where I live. I choose to stick with the flow of traffic.

Every state has a law regarding the flow of traffice. It is called just and prudent speed. The law may even side with you in some cases.

However 86% of all speed related accidents don't happen on the interstate. It's pretty easy to 80 MPH in a straight line where there are no nooks and crannies for people to jump out of.

If the person speeding was the only one who would ever die, than I wouldn't care, that's never the case though.

Let me be kind of blunt on this, I was almost smashed behind by a speeding driver, a woman, while my then 11 month old was properly secured back there. If it had not have been for the calming logic of my fiancee, I would have gotten out and beaten that ladies face into submission.

So speeding is going to have 3 results:

Death, legal penalties or a severe beaten from a guy sick of someone trying to justify a crime.

 

[dsm-onster]

Ramsack, I don't proclaim to know the area where you live. But, if you go 80 in a 55 around here you get ticketed. It is NOT the flow of traffic.

The limit is the limit. Exceeding it puts the burden on YOU not the state. It may have been for economy that our culture acclimated to the speed limits. But Statistically crashes at higher speeds kill more. And more crashes occur because the speed limit was exceeded.

I gotta say, that from my experience at least, that tuners, true actual tuners/car enthusiasts, what have you, are some of the best drivers on the road, regardless of whether they are speeding/racing what have you. They know there cars, what they are capable of, and what they can and more importantly can not do. My mother rarely speeds, yet is one of the worst drivers on the road for the simple fact that she doesn't pay attention. I may drive like an asshole from time to time, yet I make sure to know my surroundings at all times, stopping distance of my car and etc. Instead of speeding propaganda how about propaganda for an actual driving test which emphasizes on driving skills.

How the he!! does knowing your car relate to driving in an unpredictable environment? It's not a race track out there in the real world. "speed doesnt kill. Idiots behind the wheel kill". . . Idiots speed in a more unpredictable environment than a race track.


F&F suppositions as an arguement. . .do you know highbooost btw? . . .He lives(d) around you I believe.

 

[ramsack]

No one is going to win or lose here, at this point it's all everyone grasping for air. I just don't agree with people telling other people how to conduct themselves. You are not a cop. It's not your job to keep people from speeding. Just like moderators have a purpose on this forum, and it's douchey for a regular member to remind others of how to behave and with posting grammar, etc. I see these signs people have that say "25 is the speed limit blah blah blah." Like that isn't distracting... If a civilian tried to stop me for speeding on the highway and tried to fight with me I would find something to use as a weapon and do my best to beat the shit out of them. If a cop stopped me for speeding I would be polite and take the punishment. It's their job. Society has no place for vigilantes.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Yes he was retarded... for SPEEDING. The speeding part made him the retard. see how it is all relative.

Stop making excuses and drive the speed limit. You can't win an argument based in stupidity, I am sorry.

Chill and look at the point I'm subtly making.

Speeding for no good reason = Stupid
Stupid people = Make the choice to speed for no good reason

SPEEDING is not ALWAYS stupid. Say you got a call, right now, that your son was hurt very badly at school. You have a GOOD damned reason to get there ASAP and your fatherly instinct WILL kick in and you WILL be there as quickly as you possibly can. Sure, you'll be careful.. but there isn't a single good parent here who WOULDN'T do that.

Same thing goes for if you got a call that your wife was the victim of rape.. or shot...or someone broke into the house.. or some other emergency. Can you really label yourself stupid for speeding in that situation?

Is a Cop in the wrong for Speeding to chase down a possible Murder Suspect?

Speeding, itself, is not stupid. It's the idiots behind the wheel that make it a horrible thing.

 

[SpawnedX]

Well ramsack, you are pretty naive. Wouldn't it be ironic if that happened to you and you got tough and decided to grab whatever you could as a weapon to combat that and dude just whipped out a gun and shot you dead.

Grow up. Look back at all your other posts. It's not that life sucks, it's that you aren't ready to be an adult yet.

 

[SpawnedX]

Chill and look at the point I'm subtly making.

Speeding for no good reason = Stupid
Stupid people = Make the choice to speed for no good reason

SPEEDING is not ALWAYS stupid. Say you got a call, right now, that your son was hurt very badly at school. You have a GOOD damned reason to get there ASAP and your fatherly instinct WILL kick in and you WILL be there as quickly as you possibly can. Sure, you'll be careful.. but there isn't a single good parent here who WOULDN'T do that.

Same thing goes for if you got a call that your wife was the victim of rape.. or shot...or someone broke into the house.. or some other emergency. Can you really label yourself stupid for speeding in that situation?

Is a Cop in the wrong for Speeding to chase down a possible Murder Suspect?

Speeding, itself, is not stupid. It's the idiots behind the wheel that make it a horrible thing.

It still doesn't mean you should do it. It definitely won't help when I am lying in the morgue for hitting a pole trying to avoid someone while driving way too fast. Sometimes reason has to overtake emotion.

I don't think cops should be allowed to chase, for any reason, in fact had a cop not chased my friend, he probably would still be alive.They had his license plate number, where was he going to hide?

 

[ramsack]

I am an adult, and I am responsible. You just base this off internet talk and arguing. I take speeding tickets and pay them. If I was immature I would fight them. Now what would happen to that guy who shoots me? You act like he would just walk away and his life would go on with no justice. Especially with witnesses, he would be fried.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

It still doesn't mean you should do it. It definitely won't help when I am lying in the morgue for hitting a pole trying to avoid someone while driving way too fast. Sometimes reason has to overtake emotion.

I don't think cops should be allowed to chase, for any reason, in fact had a cop not chased my friend, he probably would still be alive.They had his license plate number, where was he going to hide?

Well then it all comes down to personal opinion, doesn't it?

You're right.. you shouldn't do it... but in Life I feel there are situations where you NEED to do what you shouldn't.

I, myself, would risk life and limb to get to my child. I think it's worth the risk. If my daughter were laying in a hospital bed dying and could go any minute, you bet your ass I'd put the engine in my car through it's paces.

There is a time for being an idiot, and a time for rightful disregard. That's my opinion.

I also don't think Cops should chase people. People panic far too easily when they see blue light. But my above statement stands true. I missed getting to the hospital in time to say goodbye to my brother, and it damned well will never happen again, that I promise. All I can recommend is watch for flashers.

 

[dsm-onster]

Like I said. . .for the "speed doesn't kill; Idiots behind the wheel do" arguement. . . Without just cause, idiots speed in an environment less predictable than a racetrack. Other than the safety of another, there is no jsut cause to endanger everyone else in your surroundings.

 

[SpawnedX]

And you would still be dead.

Just like the person who got killed by the guy speeding. He will still be dead, no matter what happens to other person.

You know how you both wouldn't end up dead? If the person speeding and with a gun followed the law.

 

[SpawnedX]

Well then it all comes down to personal opinion, doesn't it?

You're right.. you shouldn't do it... but in Life I feel there are situations where you NEED to do what you shouldn't.

I, myself, would risk life and limb to get to my child. I think it's worth the risk. If my daughter were laying in a hospital bed dying and could go any minute, you bet your ass I'd put the engine in my car through it's paces.

There is a time for being an idiot, and a time for rightful disregard. That's my opinion.

I also don't think Cops should chase people. People panic far too easily when they see blue light. But my above statement stands true. I missed getting to the hospital in time to say goodbye to my brother, and it damned well will never happen again, that I promise. All I can recommend is watch for flashers.

You are arguing apples to oranges. Watch the video again, thos who caused the accident weren't trying to get to a dying relative.

If everyone who thought they were a skilled and good driver was allowed to speed, then everyone would be speeding. Do you see the problem there. Everyone thinks they are good, most are not.

It's like if the law was an eye for an eye than the whole world would go blind.

 

[dsm-onster]

I agree. I may not be batman. But I feel antsy when I see my family in danger. That's just another unpredictability to throw in the environment of which is not meant for speeding.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

It just plain doesn't matter to me. When it comes to morals, if I care enough about someone, especially to LOVE someone, you and everyone else in my way can screw yourself if they are in danger.

But that is the ONLY situation where I'd agree that it was allowable. If anyone here, even if I didn't like them, hit me trying to get to their loved one I would NEVER hold ill will towards them.

That's just me. I don't advocate speeding, drinking and driving, or any illegal activities.... but I'll do what I have to in such instances.

 

[ramsack]

So your friend broke the law, ran from the cops, and you're blaming the cops that your friend died? How does the cop know that person didn't steal the car and if they just let it go they will never find him because the plate leads to a dead end? Police don't chase if they feel it may endanger citizens. They (and I) could give two shits if a fleeing perp. dies in a crash running from a cop. When I was a kid, while I was at school, this guy escaped from the county prison. He stole a truck and went flying through the neighborhood. He hit a mom with a stroller? Do you blame the police for chasing him? To let him go and not chase him would be irresponsible to society.

Protecting your family IN your home is fine. But when you drive on the road in your car, you lose certain rights.

 

[dsm-onster]

If you stop and tell the officer, 'I have a family member/friend bleeding out here', they would put on the lights and siren and escort you at top speeds.

You all forget that the 2-3% crooked law inforcement out there shouldn't taint your view of their purpose, which is to serve. You pay the taxes. Get them to help when they notice.

 

[SpawnedX]

So your friend broke the law, ran from the cops, and you're blaming the cops that your friend died? How does the cop know that person didn't steal the car and if they just let it go they will never find him because the plate leads to a dead end? Police don't chase if they feel it may endanger citizens. They (and I) could give two shits if a fleeing perp. dies in a crash running from a cop. When I was a kid, while I was at school, this guy escaped from the county prison. He stole a truck and went flying through the neighborhood. He hit a mom with a stroller? Do you blame the police for chasing him? To let him go and not chase him would be irresponsible to society.

I blame them both.

I blame my friend for being there that night, knowing he had a suspended license. Had he decided to get a ride from someone rather than drive to a street racing event, where he got scared and ran, this wouldn't be there.

Had the cops not chased him, since he wasn't the one racing and it was a non-violent crime, he probably would have not been speeding.

I blame them both, but there is more to the story that you know.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

If you stop and tell the officer, 'I have a family member/friend bleeding out here', they would put on the lights and siren and escort you at top speeds.

You all forget that the 2-3% crooked law inforcement out there shouldn't taint your view of their purpose which is to serve. You pay the taxes. Get them to help when they notice.

You're 100% correct there. I've never seen a cop have an instance of an emergency come up and not help.

However.. if you can actually have the patience to explain to a cop what's happening.. you're the most level headed bastard I've ever spoken to in my life. I don't have a child, but I know how I WILL be with my child per how I grew up. If I got a call that my child was dying in the hospital, on the street, at school.. wherever... I don't think I'd be level headed enough to explain my situation to a Cop.

I'm not afraid to admit my faults.

 

[91DSMdave]

if that video doesnt bring tears to your eyes you heartless. put someone you know in that position, picture if your the stupid driver that kills and child. i cant stand how some people laugh at stuff like this, and dont see the message its sending. have a heart.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

if that video doesnt bring tears to your eyes you heartless. put someone you know in that position, picture if your the stupid driver that kills and child. i cant stand how some people laugh at stuff like this, and dont see the message its sending. have a heart.

Not that I laughed at this video, but some of us find it hard to 'Have a Heart'. The message is clear, however.

 

[Calan]

It's not your job to keep people from speeding.

I'm with Matt on this one. If someone comes speeding down my street where our kids are out playing and no cops are around to ticket their dumb ass...I'll MAKE it my job.

If a civilian tried to stop me for speeding on the highway and tried to fight with me I would find something to use as a weapon and do my best to beat the shit out of them.

Anyone willing to pull over a speeder and fight with them is as unstable as you are, and is probably carrying. Good luck with that.

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This thread cracks me up. I don't know if it's the people arguing against physics and kinetic energy, or the ones that are so sure they are in control of everything out in the streets.

Just.... wow.