Think Driving Fast is Fun? WARNING! GRAPHIC!

[Fotowntalon]

If speeding doesn't cause accidents, tell that to the guy who has his Toyota Camry rocking at 120-MPH on tires rated for 101 max (at short intervals) when they blow out and he flips over and kills the baby in the backseat of the car next to him.

That's not speed that's an idiot behind a wheel. That would be like saying, guy X killed guy Y because guy X was speeding and couldn't stop in time because guy X didn't know his dumb ass shouldn't disconnect the break lines.

 

[SpawnedX]

That's not speed that's an idiot behind a wheel. That would be like saying, guy X killed guy Y because guy X was speeding and couldn't stop in time because guy X didn't know his dumb ass shouldn't disconnect the break lines.

No, this one is blatantly speeding.

 

[ramsack]

Just to let you know, any accident you are in while speeding, you are found at fault by law.

There is some truth and some fault to this. My friend was at a 2-way intersection on top of a 4-way hill. To his left is a blind spot, and a known blind spot. It really is bad. He goes to pull out. This uninsured guy comes flying up the hill doing 40 in a 25, hit the Astro van my friend was in, and pushed it across the intersection. Guess who was at fault regardless of speeding and insurance? My friend. He had the stop sign. They didn't care that this UNINSURED guy was speeding.

 

[Fotowntalon]

still he is an idiot for not knowing that you shouldn't go above your tires speed rating, regardless of blatantly speeding or not. You could make the same argument at the track if some dumb ass was using those tires in a 10s car and flipped over into the stands and killed people and etc.

 

[SpawnedX]

still he is an idiot for not knowing that you shouldn't go above your tires speed rating, regardless of blatantly speeding or not. You could make the same argument at the track if some dumb ass was using those tires in a 10s car and flipped over into the stands and killed people and etc.

No I can't, he wouldn't have passed tech to begin with, plus by all the tracks I went to in order for him to flip that high and that far he would have to be moving really fast, and usually by 1/4 down the strip the stands no longer exist.

Quick question, do you know the rating on your street tires off the top of your head and what that rating equates to in performance?

 

[tsidrift1]

Eh. I must be dead or heartless.

most, if not all of those, have more to do with driving like a ####tard than driving fast.

My thought exactly.

 

[ramsack]

No matter how skilled someone is, anything can happen. Something can happen to the car, a gust of wind could disrupt control, or ANYTHING. Those who drive their cars on the edge of what they can do are the ones who have the car fly into multiple pieces when they crash. Cars are made to keep you safe if you're not speeding.

 

[Fotowntalon]

It's called a racing license. I'd be willing to put a lot of money on it that most people here couldn't obtain it without serious practice. No matter how "skilled" they think they are

And since when did this become about racing license, i am stating that "real" enthusiasts/tuners are better drivers than the average person for many numerous reasons. I hate to use this argument but it is still valid, in the first Fast and the Furious, the car exit scene where the cops tried to arrest everyone at the first drag race, guess what, all the tuner cars where drove by tuners and no stunt drivers(not including cop cars), you think random ass average drivers could have pulled that off?

 

[SpawnedX]

And since when did this become about racing license, i am stating that "real" enthusiasts/tuners are better drivers than the average person for many numerous reasons. I hate to use this argument but it is still valid, in the first Fast and the Furious, the car exit scene where the cops tried to arrest everyone at the first drag race, guess what, all the tuner cars where drove by tuners and no stunt drivers(not including cop cars), you think random ass average drivers could have pulled that off?

, I don't mean you any offense, I genuinely like and respect you, but this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

That was a movie, that road was closed for that movie, those police officers were off duty and there to help out. They were suppose to get away in that scene it was how it was scripted. Plus watch the movie again, nothing spectacular was done in that scene.

I can promise you 100% that a raid like that doesn't end up with tons of people getting away. I should know, I got busted in the Harris Ave. raid in Providence, RI. Had my car taken and everything. They came in without sirens on, blocked off all exits and made us all stay in our cars. They first gave citations to bystanders, and one by one came and inspected our cars.

 

[Fotowntalon]

No I can't, he wouldn't have passed tech to begin with, plus by all the tracks I went to in order for him to flip that high and that far he would have to be moving really fast, and usually by 1/4 down the strip the stands no longer exist.

Quick question, do you know the rating on your street tires off the top of your head and what that rating equates to in performance?

for your quick question, off the top of my head I do not remember what "letter" my tires are, but i do remember when i bought them that they were rated at 160mph. I remember this, because i remembered that i wanted to make sure that when i upgraded my tires that I wouldn't have to worry about any tire failure do to speed for the particular car/upgrades i had.

 

[SpawnedX]

for your quick question, off the top of my head I do not remember what "letter" my tires are, but i do remember when i bought them that they were rated at 160mph. I remember this, because i remembered that i wanted to make sure that when i upgraded my tires that I wouldn't have to worry about any tire failure do to speed for the particular car/upgrades i had.

I happen to know that my tires are W rated, which is up to 168 MPH in sustained use. Doesn't mean I got 168.

 

[ZenDSM]

Think about it this way in a world of bad drivers would you rather have a car that can really move if you want it to or be in something a little more tame? Half of those accidents seem to be of people driving in the wrong lane...

How many times was the speedometer shown in the video? Fear mongering at its best.

 

[SpawnedX]

Think about it this way in a world of bad drivers would you rather have a car that can really move if you want it to or be in something a little more tame? Half of those accidents seem to be of people driving in the wrong lane...

How many times was the speedometer shown in the video? Fear mongering at its best.

Look, I don't usually give people an out, but your comments are so dumb it's not even funny.

 

[Fotowntalon]

, I don't mean you any offense, I genuinely like and respect you, but this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

That was a movie, that road was closed for that movie, those police officers were off duty and there to help out. They were suppose to get away in that scene it was how it was scripted. Plus watch the movie again, nothing spectacular was done in that scene.

I can promise you 100% that a raid like that doesn't end up with tons of people getting away. I should know, I got busted in the Harris Ave. raid in Providence, RI. Had my car taken and everything. They came in without sirens on, blocked off all exits and made us all stay in our cars. They first gave citations to bystanders, and one by one came and inspected our cars.

Obviously, the road was closed, people were told what to do and etc. that part is common sense, and in no way am i making an argument as to whether people could or could not get away in a real raid or anything to that magnitude.

My point is regardless of instructions and so on, is that normally something like that in movies use real stunt drivers not random enthusiasts. They did the scene multiple times, and i would wager much money saying if those cars were filled with average drivers with the same instructions that there would have been multiple crashes. Hell even the producer/directors were impressed by the actual enthusiasts driving skills.

Now despite all this we are getting off topic. Your point (from my understanding) is that speed kills. My point, is that speed doesnt kill, idiots behind the wheel of a car kill. That and I dislike things that are basically used to incite some type of panic. Granted some people may stop and think before they do something dumb behind the wheel, most people will (at least for a few moments) become scared/nervous when driving, and that panic alone could cause accidents. Confidence (not to be confused with cockiness) along with knowledge and driving skill will prevent many accidents.

I could relate this youtube video to the News, and there basic inciting panic patterns for ratings, but I would be getting way of topic, and it would turn more into a rant than discussion.

 

[extremeatheist]

I happen to know that my tires are W rated, which is up to 168 MPH in sustained use. Doesn't mean I got 168.

Ratings don't mean shit with a defective tire.

 

[SpawnedX]

Some Facts:

When speed increases from 40 mph to 60 mph, the energy released in a crash more than doubles. (IIHS, 2003)

Research by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) found that when speed limits were raised by many states in 1996, travel speeds increased and motor vehicle fatalities went up approximately 15 percent on Interstate highways in those states.

The relative proportion of speeding-related crashes to all crashes decreases with increasing driver age. In 2002, 39 percent of male drivers 15 to 20 years old who were involved in fatal crashes were speeding at the time of the crash. (NHTSA, 2003)

Speed was a factor in 30 percent (12,477) of all traffic fatalities in 1998, second only to alcohol (39 percent) as a cause of fatal crashes.

Crash forces on impact double with every 10 mile per hour increase in speed above 50 miles per hour. As crash forces increase, so does one�s chances of being killed or seriously injured in a crash. (NHTSA, 1995)

"Only 14 percent of speeding-related fatalities occur on Interstate highways."

 

[SpawnedX]

Obviously, the road was closed, people were told what to do and etc. that part is common sense, and in no way am i making an argument as to whether people could or could not get away in a real raid or anything to that magnitude.

My point is regardless of instructions and so on, is that normally something like that in movies use real stunt drivers not random enthusiasts. They did the scene multiple times, and i would wager much money saying if those cars were filled with average drivers with the same instructions that there would have been multiple crashes. Hell even the producer/directors were impressed by the actual enthusiasts driving skills.

Now despite all this we are getting off topic. Your point (from my understanding) is that speed kills. My point, is that speed doesnt kill, idiots behind the wheel of a car kill. That and I dislike things that are basically used to incite some type of panic. Granted some people may stop and think before they do something dumb behind the wheel, most people will (at least for a few moments) become scared/nervous when driving, and that panic alone could cause accidents. Confidence (not to be confused with cockiness) along with knowledge and driving skill will prevent many accidents.

I could relate this youtube video to the News, and there basic inciting panic patterns for ratings, but I would be getting way of topic, and it would turn more into a rant than discussion.

I just posted some facts that refute everything here, but I want to go back to F&F argument.

The decision was about money. They would have to hire 100's of professional drivers and obtain cars all tricked out for them. It had no financial sense. They actually reasoned their decision around "it being cheaper to pay out for anyone who did crash than to hire proper drivers and obtain cars."

 

[SpawnedX]

Ratings don't mean shit with a defective tire.

I see, so even though most tire blow-outs under 65 don't result in flips. It still has nothing to do with speeding in your example? It has everything to do with it, if you have a defective tire and suffer a blow-out you are so much less likely to cause a fatal accident at the speed limit.

In fact, every accident type has a less likely fatal factor at the speed limit. Period.

Speeding kills.

 

[ramsack]

Statistics are funny. When are there going to be statistics shown all from the same year? To me that does matter, and it shows a grasp to find the time with the biggest percent to try to make a point, which is what propaganda IS. Male drivers 15-20 are idiots. Break that down by years and it will be more focused in the younger ages. This is all BS. People cause things to happen. If cars were robots all linked together in an AI kind of network there would never be any accidents. Everyone expects too much of everyone else, like everyone is supposed to be perfect. I speed on the highway whenever I can. I cannot go 55, I WILL FALL ASLEEP going that slow on a highway, so I go 70-80, and I really don't care what anyone thinks. On back roads (35-45) I speed. I only don't speed in neighborhoods. Kids are not responsible. You really can't expect much out of them in common sense. I would not want to end up hitting one. If I crash on a back road the only thing I would kill is myself and whatever wildlife may be in the way. Highways are straight for the most part. If mechanical failure happens it's not hard to keep things together. I already had a wheel fly off in the rain, in my DSM. It was the front right wheel and I was in the passing lane, doing about 60. My tire without a driver didn't even hit anyone!

And to add I just thought about people in bicycles. Until they are charged with having to pay insurance and registration to use the street, I don't give two shits about them and they shouldn't be allowed to act like they are another vehicle on the road. They can cause accidents and property damage, so they should have to carry financial liability coverage. Driving is a privilege. I pay registration and whatever part of taxes on gas goes to roads, bikes do not.

 

[SpawnedX]

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/809915.pdf

All from the same year. Once again another argument debunked.

You aren't going to say anything that changes the situation. I am a member of Racer's Against Street Racing and I am the person in my local area in charge of disseminating this information. I have heard all these arguments before and have proven them all misguided.

Eventually you will have to own up to the immaturity.

 

[ramsack]

Speeding is not street racing. That is immaturity and linking two completely different things is PROPAGANDA.

 

[AliceCooper]

This video got to me because my brother rolled his truck down a ravine about 100 feet down and a stick about as round as a pop can came through and smashed the dash right infront of where he was sitting. If we was going a little slower he wouldn't have rolled off that ravine because his truck barely went over the edge. Him and all of his friends walked away without any injuries besides cuts and bruises. I've been in accidents that were not my fault I got merged into by a full sized SUV on the driver side of my old subaru good thing we were going about 30 but in this case he was drunk and ran into my car. Speed can and will kill people when that one thing happens that unpredicted event that comes out of no where like that dog running into the road. Now having many loved ones including a girlfriend who are on the road each and every day this makes me think what if i was in that persons position or they were in that position. Yes alot of it was fake clearly seen but that stuff DOES happen and yes most of it was the driver being completely stupid, but still its a message that those things can happen when driving recklessly.

 

[SpawnedX]

I see, so where you live street racers stop accelerating at the speed limit?

I lived the life so many people here want to live. There is no excuse or need to speed and speed kills. I lost a friend, whom I will personally vouch for as being one of the most skilled drivers I have ever met to speeding and stupidity. In fact he crashed on a road that we had all previously done almost 100 on with no problems.

Why? Because the roads will always be unpredictable and things can change in an instance. At 100 MPH you don't have enough time to react.

 

[ramsack]

Should airplanes slow down so they don't cause fatalities when they crash? They can fall out of the sky at any point in time. 55 was set as a speed limit for economy. Not safety. Speed limits on small streets are there for safety.

 

[SpawnedX]

Should airplanes slow down so they don't cause fatalities when they crash? They can fall out of the sky at any point in time. 55 was set as a speed limit for economy. Not safety. Speed limits on small streets are there for safety.

Dumbest argument yet.

Should the military also not be allowed to have guns to reduce gang violence. Try harder why don't you. When airplanes fall out of the sky it's deadly because of terminal velocity, the plane is speeding up due to gravity. It has nothing to do with speeding.