The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[Steve93Talon]

Steve93talon, congrats on the 11 second monkey!

Curious as to what you did to gain an extra 3mph from the previous outing

Thanks. Most of the gains were from ditching the restrictive no-name mushroom filter for a 3" velocity stack.

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[1qkfwd]

Justin - Did you mean it seems like I'm ''on the fence?''

If so, I'm not when it comes to getting it back together...however, the exact avenue is unclear.

I'm just not certain about several things relative to the cage, seat choice, and some other elements.

I've been able to make the decision that the car will see the strip again. Based on that visit, I'll decide whether it ever returns. The end result is the roadcourse, it's just way too much fun and rewarding not to get out there in my own track build.

And just a for instance here as to all my indecision:

Very soon, the car will be taken for the rollbar. I will obviously want to have the lightest, minimalist cage I can for the dragstrip. On the flipside, if the car was headed straight to the roadcourse, I would have a much more intricate cage installed. And, furthermore, I might do mild steel rather than chromoly for roadracing.

Anyway....this is the type of thing I'm battling.

Yes on the fence is what I ment. Well it sounds like you have the end goal you want to do with the car. The archer cars start giving you ideas on things you want to try with your own car?? Can you design the cage in such a manner that it starts its life as just a standard strip legal 6-point that you can add to later for the twisty turnys??

Thanks. Most of the gains were from ditching the restrictive no-name mushroom filter for a 3" velocity stack.

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I swear by this mod. Ive always had huge success with it.

 

[YZFR1]

Are you guys using an air filter or any sort of mesh with these velocity stacks? Curious if anything could get in there being like that, even if just using it at the track.

 

[Phil1320]

Yes on the fence is what I ment. Well it sounds like you have the end goal you want to do with the car. The archer cars start giving you ideas on things you want to try with your own car?? Can you design the cage in such a manner that it starts its life as just a standard strip legal 6-point that you can add to later for the twisty turnys??

Ok, that's what I thought. There's a few things on the Archer cars I might incorporate.

Yeah, as far as the cage, I'll initially have it as basic as I can for drag racing. The door bars will probably have to be removed once a roadracing cage goes in though.

I hope to have the rollbar in by the holidays if possible.

Phil1320, good to hear you blew the dust off of that orange car in your avatar, i always enjoyed looking at that picture.

Thanks!

 

[SBstar]

You know I'm excited for ya Phil! Can't wait for more photos and videos!

I've been lazy, haven't touched the car since the last track day except to take the slicks off.

In other news:
What was it that porky the pig always used to say st the end of Looney Tunes? You will all understand later!

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Time to get in here and update this list Justin!!!

The 'old' 14b list:
1. Joe Bucci 10.876 @ 123.83 FWD - 2005
2. Justin Aichele 11.036 @ 125.59 FWD - 2013
3. Shane Webster 11.146 @ 118.17 AWD - 2013
4. Nate Crisman 11.377 @ 116.63 AWD - 2011
5. Phil Beers 11.497 @ 113.85 AWD - 2009
6. David Womer 11.514 @ 118.13 AWD - 2008
7. Leon Reitman 11.642 @ 116.56 AWD - 2004
8. Nick Carleton 11.767 @ 115.93 AWD - 2005
9. Aaron Sadorf 11.76 @ 113.37 FWD - 2008
10. Steve Strzempek 11.784 @ 115.12 AWD - 2013

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Not just faster.. but almost 2 tenths. Trapping 128mph on his other run. That's moving on a 43mm turbo.

I don't expect there's too much weight left to get out of that car.. ~80lbs maybe? Some aero may get you a bit more on the back half though! vent pressure or redirect air from the wheel wells? a couple panels of thin plastic sheet on the belly and some skirts? Some carbon wrap to ease the transition from the hood to windshield?

You're at the point where it starts to become big money for incremental gains. Though there is still the option of trying the 8cm or 10cm housings for squeezing more power with drive pressure management.

Congrats again!

 

[1SloEvo]

He has been logging back pressure on his ported 7cm gasket and it has been pretty good. The 8cm might be a bit too much for the baby snail. He is logging a ton of air from that turbo already! He has some weight reduction ideas he can do, but again, it's going to start getting pretty expensive from here on out!

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

He mentioned 36-37lbs/min which is 2lb more than I ever managed.. but reducing drive pressure at the same mass flow will yield more power. That's not a theory.

 

[1qkfwd]

You know I'm excited for ya Phil! Can't wait for more photos and videos!

I've been lazy, haven't touched the car since the last track day except to take the slicks off.

In other news:
What was it that porky the pig always used to say st the end of Looney Tunes? You will all understand later!

I wouldn't say that's all yet. Still more to squeeze out of it.

Not just faster.. but almost 2 tenths. Trapping 128mph on his other run. That's moving on a 43mm turbo.

I don't expect there's too much weight left to get out of that car.. ~80lbs maybe? Some aero may get you a bit more on the back half though! vent pressure or redirect air from the wheel wells? a couple panels of thin plastic sheet on the belly and some skirts? Some carbon wrap to ease the transition from the hood to windshield?

You're at the point where it starts to become big money for incremental gains. Though there is still the option of trying the 8cm or 10cm housings for squeezing more power with drive pressure management.

Congrats again!

You would be surprised how much more weight I can ditch right now. The car was 2055lbs with me this weekend. Im working on losing 10lbs. Plus I have these things to do that will lose a good amount of weight. The under coating, misc brackets on inner firewall, swap to the CF hatch I picked up from (1SloEvo) saves 5 lbs, ditch the entire ebrake setup for my staging brake. That's stuff for now. I can save and get wilwood front brakes (30-35lbs loss), Lexan front windshield (unknown weight), tube the front with chromoly (maybe 30-45lbs), lighter radiator setup (unknown weight). BUT a major draw back, chassis setup and not having enough weight over the tires for good enough traction. Will have to find that limit.

Aero would help some but Ill have to do some more reading on that to see what I can safely do.

He has been logging back pressure on his ported 7cm gasket and it has been pretty good. The 8cm might be a bit too much for the baby snail. He is logging a ton of air from that turbo already! He has some weight reduction ideas he can do, but again, it's going to start getting pretty expensive from here on out!

Ya its flowing a lot of air. I may gasket port the 8cm housing and see what it does next year.

He mentioned 36-37lbs/min which is 2lb more than I ever managed.. but reducing drive pressure at the same mass flow will yield more power. That's not a theory.

Also depends how skewed the the readings are in link. But my airflow reading is a solid flat line through the gear.

 

[1qkfwd]

NEW QUICK 10 14B cars
1. Justin Aichele 10.700 @ 124.29 FWD - 2013
2. Joe Bucci 10.876 @ 123.83 FWD - 2005
3. Shane Webster 11.146 @ 118.17 AWD - 2013
4. Nate Crisman 11.377 @ 116.63 AWD - 2011
5. Phil Beers 11.497 @ 113.85 AWD - 2009
6. David Womer 11.514 @ 118.13 AWD - 2008
7. Leon Reitman 11.642 @ 116.56 AWD - 2004
8. Nick Carleton 11.767 @ 115.93 AWD - 2005
9. Aaron Sadorf 11.76 @ 113.37 FWD - 2008
10. Steve Strzempek 11.784 @ 115.12 AWD - 2013

 

[warp9]

Congrats Justin..I gotta say thats getting it done!

 

[Steve93Talon]

Awesomeness! That E16G time in your signature is looking pretty pathetic now

 

[11secDSM]

I think 16g is next on the chopping block!

 

[SBstar]

That's all folks!

That was in reference to the the former 14b reign, as it's over finally!

 

[1SloEvo]

Awesomeness! That E16G time in your signature is looking pretty pathetic now

Not really when you know all the details. That E3 16g time was at like 6k feet DA.

 

[1qkfwd]

Not really when you know all the details. That E3 16g time was at like 6k feet DA.

I think he's giving me the nudge to bump that time a bit better.

Just throwing out numbers, but joe ran 10.84 on the 14b and 10.51 on the s16g no nos. I ran 10.70 and could've had a 10.68 pass. <--- the numbers don't lie on my pass I let off and braked. I was quicker at the 1000' marker than the 10.70 pass. So ill leave it up to you guys to see what the S16g would run on my car.

 

[1qkfwd]

That's all folks!

That was in reference to the the former 14b reign, as it's over finally!

And yes you are right in that.

Yes the 16g is next. I am gonna take the next few days to look over the 14B compressor maps I found. Gonna see where I sit and what's to gain on paper or with changes in my setup. For next year ill be logging a bunch more stuff.

I've got a huge gut feeling I haven't found all the power yet out of this little turbo. It's time to get technical.

 

[ArcticTsi]

Getting my talon out of the garage and ready to put back instorage I found a significant vacum leak. Explains a few things and had the leak when I did my 11.8 pass. Looking forward to finding a new place and hopefully have a track nearby. That way I can start wrenching on the car again. Plus, hopefully make my way up the list for the AWD guys

But in the mean time the Talon went back into hibernation today. Took it to a storage locker where it will sit not too long, hopefully.

Justin, Congrats again for your awesome runs, much respect.
This community of brothers never stops amazing me with their success.

Later,
Jose

 

[pneumo]

I am gonna take the next few days to look over the 14B compressor maps I found. Gonna see where I sit and what's to gain on paper or... .

I have a feeling you'll find a new use for the phrase 'Off the Chart'!

 

[1qkfwd]

Getting my talon out of the garage and ready to put back instorage I found a significant vacum leak. Explains a few things and had the leak when I did my 11.8 pass. Looking forward to finding a new place and hopefully have a track nearby. That way I can start wrenching on the car again. Plus, hopefully make my way up the list for the AWD guys

But in the mean time the Talon went back into hibernation today. Took it to a storage locker where it will sit not too long, hopefully.

Justin, Congrats again for your awesome runs, much respect.
This community of brothers never stops amazing me with their success.

Later,
Jose

Thanks Jose. I hope there's some stuff to be learned off my setup that can be beneficial to others that are running the 14B hard. It would be cool to see the active members bump their times up a little. Maybe get a couple more into the 10s. Get that top 10 list to be sub 11.50s.

I have a feeling you'll find a new use for the phrase 'Off the Chart'!

Funny but true in this case. Im not much of a map reader, so ill be learning as I go.

 

[GRNDSM]

NEW QUICK 10 14B cars
1. Justin Aichele 10.700 @ 124.29 FWD - 2013
2. Joe Bucci 10.876 @ 123.83 FWD - 2005
3. Shane Webster 11.146 @ 118.17 AWD - 2013
4. Nate Crisman 11.377 @ 116.63 AWD - 2011
5. Phil Beers 11.497 @ 113.85 AWD - 2009
6. David Womer 11.514 @ 118.13 AWD - 2008
7. Leon Reitman 11.642 @ 116.56 AWD - 2004
8. Nick Carleton 11.767 @ 115.93 AWD - 2005
9. Aaron Sadorf 11.76 @ 113.37 FWD - 2008
10. Steve Strzempek 11.784 @ 115.12 AWD - 2013

It is funny how FWD's are holding on to the top two spots . I guess it makes sense, with all of us being under 350hp, weight becomes a worse enemy than poor(er) traction.

But this is very much with-in the "spirit of the 14b racing": doing something different, proving that status quo isn’t always right! Come to think of it, FWD is becoming THE set-up for 14b records, so now, resetting this record with an AWD will be the “daring” thing to do

 

[Phil1320]

It is funny how FWD's are holding on to the top two spots .

But this is very much with-in the "spirit of the 14b racing": doing something different

. That is hilarious.

Different? Uhhh. Sure, different color maybe. Different intercooler. Lighter than Joe B's raceweight. No no, you're right. Different.

FWD is becoming THE set-up for 14b records

Exactly why I dumped my FWD.

 

[GRNDSM]

. That is hilarious.

Different? Uhhh. Sure, different color maybe. Different intercooler. Lighter than Joe B's raceweight. No no, you're right. Different.

All these years... and I still do not get you...

 

[Phil1320]

All these years... and I still do not get you...

^ is exactly what I was thinking when I read your post.