T-70 bb Supporting mods suggestions

[PSI NRG]

^^ I drive my race car around on the street.... But I only run low boost 18 psi which is pretty tame but no point in making 30 psi on my set up on the street... Fast cars that are ment for the track should hardly ever see the street, A. its hard to drive on a street do to traffic, B. noise level, C. once you hit full boost in any gear you will be going 40mph+ over the speed limit....

 

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Is there any proof to this 900+whp made with a key diver chip? I just find it hard to believe that anyone with the parts/money to make that much power would be such a cop out on engine management.

Yes, im sure theres proof , but im most likely not going to look it up just because you just dont believe it.

what could you do with aem standalone that you could not do with a stage 3 keydiver chip? jeff can do pretty much anything you ask , a/f ratio's, timing control, 2-3 step revlimiters , 5 different selectable studder boxes you just hit the gas pedal to switch between, hell he can even make the cel come on at 15 counts of knock( or more or less )
like i said you just cant change it on the go, but if youve got a setup that runs the same boost/fuel/timing regularly you dont need to change much.

jeff oberholtzer (keydiver) lives about 45 minutes from me, ive been to his house , hes explained to me his capabilities , and what he can do with this chips and you can do pretty much anything a stand alone can -BUT you cannot datalog.

 

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Who?

he accually just recently burned a chip for one of buschur's cars.

 

[squeak10686]

My point exactly. Like I said before, if you're going to do it, then go all the way. I'm not hating on the Link, I'm just saying for the power levels he wants, more is better.

If you're going for some 900hp monster, you're going to want to be in control of every little aspect of the ECU right down to its self image and personality. I've said it before. People have gone 11's on a 14b, but does that mean its the best way to hit 11's? No way. Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean its the best way.



I also hope this kid realizes, that these 700+hp cars don't cruise the town and people don't go for relaxing or even fast paced mountain drives in these things. They get started in the garage... bucked, lurched, and stalled onto a trailer... towed to the track... pushed off the trailer... they make a few passes (sometimes only one) and something breaks... you push it back onto the trailer... you tow it home... you spend thousands fixing it... rinse and repeat.

Welcome to owning a car with a 400hp/liter specific output. Is this really what you want? If you get this T70 powered beast together and running, you won't be going to pick up your girlfriend and go out to eat and smoke a Ferrari on the way if that's what you're thinking. You'll show people the car parked in the garage and tell them how fast it was when you last drove it 4 months ago at the track. I've watched my friends do it. Most end up modding their daily driver to a more reasonable level (some get carried away and slowly create another trailer queen) and they get far more enjoyment out of their 12-13 second daily driver than they do out of their completely useless 8-9 second car that is good for nothing more than making 1/4 mile passes on a prepped track. The most fun we've ever had was with my friend's EF Civic hatch driving around with 4 people in it, in all of its bone stock 60hp glory and just beating the crap out of it. Of course that later became an unliveable and unearthly fast track car which made it to the track at most 2 times a year and was constantly broken. From then on all that car did was waste money, cause bleeding and pain, and get cursed at alot.

I dont know how much of that I believe... For example... There are a couple guys in my town one with a 570 WHP Dsm drives it everyday..... Its the maintanence and how much you REALLY want to beat on it...

I drove my car around on a stock bottom end making 460WHP on 30LBS of boost on the street ALL THE TIME...

( Yes it does not compare to the 700WHP cars others have) but it goes to show that YES a car of that HP is going to break shit, but un driveable on the street not as bad as you think...

there are a couple supras in town in the 900whp range and one of em was out last night...

a 1400WHP Silverado pickup truck * jim parish* 1320video.com

for the most part, alot of the fast ass cars come out in my town... I'm in the process of being one of them right now

 

[nanokpsi]

jeff oberholtzer (keydiver) lives about 45 minutes from me, ive been to his house , hes explained to me his capabilities , and what he can do with this chips and you can do pretty much anything a stand alone can -BUT you cannot datalog.

Combine that with not being able to actuallly change things yourself and that is why i believe what I do. You don't want to put your high dollar car on the dyno, make a pull and see if iit lives only to take the ecu out and send it in for adjustment. I fully believe in the capabilitie of DSMlink though. I''ve had it for years.

 

[JOEY A]

Sorry But I dont belive the Internet, just because you say its true doesnt mean it is. I can pull shit outta my ass and not come up with a good anwser.

Somone made 600HP on a Evo ECU over on there forums and thats imperssive, he also posted up a vid and a dyno sheet with a mod list and he wasnt some 17 year old kid with hopes and dreams.

 

[JOEY A]

Ok there was a 1,300whp turbo drag mustang that rolls in around by us, does that mean he can drive it around??!! No he just drives it to the spot or for sort distances, all these dreamers confuse that with actally Daily driving a car.

There are alot of cars that you see out and running around, but they only come out on the weekends and its only to spots or cruises and then they go back in the garage, alot of people assume they can drive it around like its nothing.

Turbo cars make it easyer to do this, NA cars are alot harder to cruise in when you a fully built race motor making alot of HP.

 

[Slippi84]

i've seen and felt a t-70 hit full 30 lbs at 7.5k rpm on a 4g63 the car runs/ran mid 10's around 140 mph range but anyways that's just an example of what i'm hopeing for my car to be a street/track beast

NOt only is it the people who have never made more then 350hp tellin this kid what his setup will or wont do, you guys are just makin up numbers like 700hp. He's wants a mid 10 sec car and to hit about 140mph. Since when does that equal 700ho This kid isn't on his level yet or even close but evil eagle does exactly what he wants his car to do with 600hp so again where are you guys getting 700 hp from??? Just cause you hear T70 and shit the bed doesn't mean that this kid has to be afraid of a big turbo like that too. "Your gonna have to rev to 9k make it worth it" NO SHIT! Didn't the kid say he's getting head work and trans work a long with a built engine. WHatelse do you think you need to get to rev high While I agree 5k will not cut it that doesn't mean the kid will never make another cent in his life that he puts toward his car I never had more than a grand in my posesstion during the build of my car now i'm 10k+ deep. Before you post and tell this kid to search or that hes "SO FA KING REDARDED"(By the way grow up ) you should read the rules yourself




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[green92gsx]

Combine that with not being able to actuallly change things yourself and that is why i believe what I do. You don't want to put your high dollar car on the dyno, make a pull and see if iit lives only to take the ecu out and send it in for adjustment. I fully believe in the capabilitie of DSMlink though. I''ve had it for years.

You know you can just order more than one specific chip for different needs of your engine. They make a quick release so you can easly swap out chips. You know, one for pump and one for race gas. Or a few with different timing maps and a/f ratio's.
Bah, thats why we just learned to burn are own.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

NOt only is it the people who have never made more then 350hp tellin this kid what his setup will or wont do, you guys are just makin up numbers like 700hp. He's wants a mid 10 sec car and to hit about 140mph. Since when does that equal 700ho This kid isn't on his level yet or even close but evil eagle does exactly what he wants his car to do with 600hp so again where are you guys getting 700 hp from??? Just cause you hear T70 and shit the bed doesn't mean that this kid has to be afraid of a big turbo like that too. "Your gonna have to rev to 9k make it worth it" NO SHIT! Didn't the kid say he's getting head work and trans work a long with a built engine. WHatelse do you think you need to get to rev high While I agree 5k will not cut it that doesn't mean the kid will never make another cent in his life that he puts toward his car I never had more than a grand in my posesstion during the build of my car now i'm 10k+ deep. Before you post and tell this kid to search or that hes "SO FA KING REDARDED"(By the way grow up ) you should read the rules yourself




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You're missing the reasons we're all getting on the kid.

He didn't research before throwing together a mod list. How is he going to build and tune a sub 10 second car if he can't even do the proper research to put together the right parts?

He picked a turbo that should be making at least 700hp. That's where we're getting the numbers from. If I came on here and told everyone my goal was 300awhp and I want to do it with a GT40R, and then tried to ignorantly defend my decision when everyone told me its a bad idea... do you think I might get flamed? It goes along with the lack of research. It doesn't take a T70 to hit 10's, plain and simple.

So he wants a mid 10 second car and 140mph trap speeds? Then tell him to go buy a GT35 and forget everything he knows about driving. Because you would have to pull some really sucky 60ft's to run a 10.5 and trap 140mph.

He gave us a mod list and then asked for advice/help. Everyone responsed with factual advice and help and he refuses to listen to anything that goes against his original plan. Go ahead, go make 300whp on that GT40 and see how well it works.

He also does not have the nessesary knowledge or experience to build a 13 second car, let alone a 9 second car. He asked if a recirc wastegate would decrease the chances of compressor surge...WTF That's not a question a 9 second car builder should be asking.

And I'm completely with JOEY A on the driveablity issue because I've seen it first hand. He just IS NOT going to cruising the street in his <10 second car. And don't tell me you've seen Supras do it, that's irrelevent. They have 1000cc more displacement and do 10's with simple mods. Our cars need alot more work to go that fast, and the more work you do, the less driveable it becomes. Just because you're buddy's McLaren F1 runs 9's and he daily drives it, doesn't mean you can daily drive a 9 second Geo Metro.



So maybe if he starts to LISTEN and ACCEPT the help and advice that everyone is trying to give him, we would all have more respect for him. We're not sh!tting on his idea and we aren't trying to kill is dream (most of us anyway), he just needs a reality check. It will save him a LOT of money and aggrivation.

 

[JOEY A]

Thank you sir

 

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You're missing the reasons we're all getting on the kid.

He didn't research before throwing together a mod list. How is he going to build and tune a sub 10 second car if he can't even do the proper research to put together the right parts?

He picked a turbo that should be making at least 700hp. That's where we're getting the numbers from. If I came on here and told everyone my goal was 300awhp and I want to do it with a GT40R, and then tried to ignorantly defend my decision when everyone told me its a bad idea... do you think I might get flamed? It goes along with the lack of research. It doesn't take a T70 to hit 10's, plain and simple.

So he wants a mid 10 second car and 140mph trap speeds? Then tell him to go buy a GT35 and forget everything he knows about driving. Because you would have to pull some really sucky 60ft's to run a 10.5 and trap 140mph.

He gave us a mod list and then asked for advice/help. Everyone responsed with factual advice and help and he refuses to listen to anything that goes against his original plan. Go ahead, go make 300whp on that GT40 and see how well it works.

He also does not have the nessesary knowledge or experience to build a 13 second car, let alone a 9 second car. He asked if a recirc wastegate would decrease the chances of compressor surge...WTF That's not a question a 9 second car builder should be asking.

And I'm completely with JOEY A on the driveablity issue because I've seen it first hand. He just IS NOT going to cruising the street in his <10 second car. And don't tell me you've seen Supras do it, that's irrelevent. They have 1000cc more displacement and do 10's with simple mods. Our cars need alot more work to go that fast, and the more work you do, the less driveable it becomes. Just because you're buddy's McLaren F1 runs 9's and he daily drives it, doesn't mean you can daily drive a 9 second Geo Metro.



So maybe if he starts to LISTEN and ACCEPT the help and advice that everyone is trying to give him, we would all have more respect for him. We're not sh!tting on his idea and we aren't trying to kill is dream (most of us anyway), he just needs a reality check. It will save him a LOT of money and aggrivation.

Ok if the thread was called "What do you think of me getting a t70bb setup for my car?" then it would be a totally different story , he simply wants to know what supporting mods you would have to have to run something like that, give him a list of supporting mods and let him make the decision of running that turbo or not, or dont reply.

 

[PSI NRG]

So you wanna go tens do ya kid? This should shut everyone up and help this kid out so here ya go...


Quest for Ten seconds....


Motor:

2.0L Block 6-bolt block-$250-400
Mhale Pistons .20 over -$470
Crower rods -$700
ARP hardware-$100
Mitsu 4 layer headgasket-$95
Port work-$250-400 or more depending on how much is desired
Prothane motor mounts-$100 bucks
Crower Titanium Vavle spings retainers-$250
98 lifters- $100
Oil Pan- $95
Timing belt/water pump All that junk up front $600
HKS 272 cams-$550
Oversized valves-$250
Magnus SMIM-$550
75mm throttle body-$150-200 bucks
Tubular Exhaust manifold-$600

Turbo:

GT35/37r or something similar in size-$1300
Tial 44mm wastegate-$225+
3in + turbo back exhaust-$600 or more

Intercooler:

Victory Performance Intercooler kit w/pipes-$1200
Tial BOV-$250

Ignition:

MSD DIS-2-$500
Coil on Plugs-$500
AEM standalone-2200 with idle speed or speed density

Fuel:
880cc injectors or large-$350+
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator-$150
Walbro 255-$150
An fittings and lines-$200+
Aeromotive fuel rail-$150

Transmission:

Shep Stage 3 or more-$2000

Clutch:

Exedy Twin disk-$2100

80+ hours of installation if done by professionals-$2500-5000
3+ hours of dyno tuning-$650

So there you have it a list of what you need to run tens and the price of everything... add it all up. Ive based this on my set up and may other cars that have broken into the Ten second 1/4 and the 600+awhp. Good luck!

 

[JOEY A]

Ill add your going to want 1,000CC injectors and maybe a daul inline fuel pump setup.

Or just go with a feul cell and run a aero motive pump.......


And that list he gave you, there is all kindas little gaskets and bullshit stuff, so add on a couple grand for all kindas bullshit stuff.

 

[PSI NRG]

I came up with a number of $21,415 thats for the parts I listed. Like JOEY A said I did not include the price of all the random gaskets needed just to give you an idea... And lets hope you put your motor together right if you plan on doing it yourself and doesnt blow up on the dyno. Or break down at the track. Lets not forget dont think you can pull a ten in the 1/4 on low boost. For example Evil Eagle ran upwards of 30psi...

 

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So you wanna go tens do ya kid? This should shut everyone up and help this kid out so here ya go...


Quest for Ten seconds....


Motor:

2.0L Block 6-bolt block-$250-400
Mhale Pistons .20 over -$470
Crower rods -$700
ARP hardware-$100
Mitsu 4 layer headgasket-$95
Port work-$250-400 or more depending on how much is desired
Prothane motor mounts-$100 bucks
Crower Titanium Vavle spings retainers-$250
98 lifters- $100
Oil Pan- $95
Timing belt/water pump All that junk up front $600
HKS 272 cams-$550
Oversized valves-$250
Magnus SMIM-$550
75mm throttle body-$150-200 bucks
Tubular Exhaust manifold-$600

Turbo:

GT35/37r or something similar in size-$1300
Tial 44mm wastegate-$225+
3in + turbo back exhaust-$600 or more

Intercooler:

Victory Performance Intercooler kit w/pipes-$1200
Tial BOV-$250

Ignition:

MSD DIS-2-$500
Coil on Plugs-$500
AEM standalone-2200 with idle speed or speed density

Fuel:
880cc injectors or large-$350+
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator-$150
Walbro 255-$150
An fittings and lines-$200+
Aeromotive fuel rail-$150

Transmission:

Shep Stage 3 or more-$2000

Clutch:

Exedy Twin disk-$2100

80+ hours of installation if done by professionals-$2500-5000
3+ hours of dyno tuning-$650

So there you have it a list of what you need to run tens and the price of everything... add it all up. Ive based this on my set up and may other cars that have broken into the Ten second 1/4 and the 600+awhp. Good luck!

although IMHO you kind of overpriced alot of things , thats pretty much the rundown, now that he can see what it ACTUALLY will take he might have doubt or second thoughts about such a high goal right off the bat. my advice for you kid, is start with a lower goal something like 300 whp or 12's then go from there.


and to PSI NRG, i really appreciate you taking the initiative to make a mod list and take the time to get all of the prices, rep points to you

 

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there is all kindas little gaskets and bullshit stuff, so add on a couple grand

what the hell kind of gaskets are you using?WTF

 

[squeak10686]

Ok first off Andrew I think everyone with a computer saw you shoot your rod threw your block tryin to run crazy boost on a stock bottom end. So while you made good power so ####in what you blew your car up. I know your gonns come out with the "We didn't care ...We had another one getting built" I have already addressed that in a nother thread but anyway my point is you guys want to talk baby steps that doesn't mean blowing your car apart . Baby steps is tuning a 16g setup to the limit then going 50 trim then something like a 60-1 or scm61 then a t70 or w/e baby steps isn't runing a 16g then blowing up your car trying to make 500hp with a stock block.

not tryin to start anything or take away from the thread because there is finally some decent opinions comin, but andrew did not have another block being built when that happened. i have read a lot of his posts on here and he lies about alot. and like he said there were now baby steps either. all andrew did was buy a big turbo, big intercooler, ss fuel lines, and have diesel geek do the rest including the MS and tuning

ANYWAY the other good thing about you havin the auto is that once you actually get the turbo sppolin you wont have to worry about losing much boost and falling out on shifts and such as well. like Slippi said youre gonna need pretty big injectors to be running the t70 in its efficiency range

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[MyBeatGSX]

what the hell kind of gaskets are you using?WTF

The OEM turbo to manifold gasket alone is like $35.

You have to remember he's going to need, head gasket, both manifolds, oil return gaskets, crank seals, cams seals, rear main, oil pump, water pump, TB, valve cover, etc

He's redoing the entire engine, I think a "couple grand" is a bit on the high side. But $500-800 isn't out of the question. I dropped $75 on gaskets just replacing my turbo and manifold.

 

[autronicDSM]

Crikey, this thread is still going?

With all this great advice I would expect more people on here to be running T70 turbos instead of 50 trims making 300 hp

 

[Slippi84]

Ok first off Andrew I think everyone with a computer saw you shoot your rod threw your block tryin to run crazy boost on a stock bottom end. So while you made good power so ####in what you blew your car up. I know your gonns come out with the "We didn't care ...We had another one getting built" I have already addressed that in a nother thread but anyway my point is you guys want to talk baby steps that doesn't mean blowing your car apart . Baby steps is tuning a 16g setup to the limit then going 50 trim then something like a 60-1 or scm61 then a t70 or w/e baby steps isn't runing a 16g then blowing up your car trying to make 500hp with a stock block.


So what are you saying man... I ran that much boost for a reason, and the reason was because of a " problem" and yes that it was a boost leak... if its so ####ing easy I should have noticed that right??? how would you know if its hard or not I would like to know... I aint trying to " start stuff" but would you tell me??? how hard is it Jason... I never claimed to be " DSM GOD" but i sure as hell know I learned TONS with the car and am glad for that...

I dont really know shit about dsms your right... Scott squirted and tuned my car for me... I was just the kid in the driver seat...

btw... Thanks to all for all the questions I had asked... dont worry about the questions this time around... I got it figured out, If you dont ask you'll never know... People ask... " andrew why dont you hang out with the dsm'rs in omaha, why dont you ever call me anymore" the reason is this... you'll be cool to my face and talk shit to my back... I know I'm not liked I dont give a ####, I know who my true friends are, and they are far and few... I never said ANYTHING badly about you and really, wont because you havent done shit to me... Say what you want I'm done with it... I have always thought you were a more than decent guy, but guess you cant say the same about me...
Andrew

WTF ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT!!!!WTF Did you just have a monolouge conversation with yourself in a thread??? All I know is that true you learn more from losing then winning but I think in your caser it was shit you should have already known. 28.438373937 or w/e psi you clained was actualy run instead of 30psi on a huge turbo with a 7 bolt trying to make 500hp and blowing up should have been a jump hop skip away from a given.

Andrew ===> <===andrew's car


And wtf kinda mod list is that to go 10's WTF . I could do 9's with that setup shit tens should be doable on pump gas and a shitty tune by your grandma whose now def dumb and blind. EMS...75mm tb...$1200 fmic I don't know about you but that seems like a huge waste of money to me. You don't need to touch the head to go 10's at most I would recommend port matching the exhaust side or slighty opening it up. COP with MSD DIS-2 you think thats a tad bit overkill for ignition on a 10 second car?? How bout a good set of wires and some bpr7 or 8es. Aeromotive fuel rail??? Best of all the 2100 dollar clutch . That's a slap in the face to all the guys that have gone 10's with a act26 or 2900.

You want a serious list by someone not tryin to talk you out of makin your car this way here. And to prove a point I'll use the ass rapers at pricing SBR to even overestimate ads you can get most of this cheaper:

Engine:
2.0L DSM Manley H-Beam and Ross Piston Combo: $736
ARP Heah studs and MLS HG: $180(if you want to go extra you can get rod bolts from ARP for $45)
HKS 272 cams: $500
Prothane Mounts: $90
Install: anywhere from 2-3k(But this will include a lot of other things as well like timing and what not. This is where you will save your money the most if you have a friend or know how to do it yourself)

Fuel:
Walbro 255hp: $100
1000cc FIC's: $364
Areomotive AFPR: $152
-6an feed lines: $100

Turbo+IC:
GT35r setup for external with to4s cover(or in your case a Huge as T70): $1400
38 or 40mm external HKS: $415(If you pay anywhere close to this kill yourself cause a 40 can be had for 200 tops on tuners)
EBAY(YES EBAY FMIC): $250 shipped
Piping and couplers (doesn't really matter what kind or where as long as it's 2.5 and not paper thin): $400

Transmission:
ONe stop to a company called Dogboxracing @ Dogboxracing.com: $1200(You send them your trans and $1200 bucs, I'm not sure about shipping, You get a Shep quality trans back)


Tuning:
DSMlink and a eprom ECU: $700(I'm on the dsmlink forums if you doubt that you can get it for this I will prove you wrong fast)
Wideband O2: $300( I'm so far away from the other guys estimates I threw this in there just cause I could)

GUess what ladies and gentleman with the exception of small stuff that We will alow for a nother $1500 bucs that's it bring the grand total to $8200 we'll say $300 for shipping to make it an even $8500 . That's only $3500 more than his 5k and again that is with ass raper pricing. If you think you need more to go fast just hit up the 1/4 mile list and take a look at people going 10.6-10.9. The only thing that will swing this night and day higher then where it is is if you do suspension.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

How about a manifold? A BOV? A dump tube for the wastegate. Rewire for the fuel pump. A clutch. A turbo back exhaust. An intake. Plugs. Wires. Bone stock ignition won't do 500+hp, so add a DIS-2. At least some new shocks. Gona need a radiator if he wants to drive anywhere other than the track, add a Fluidyne. Repairs on the car (master/slave cylinders are common, boost leak fixes, water pump, oil pump, alt., thermostat, etc). Oil feed and return lines for the turbo. Coolant lines for the turbo. What about safety equipment? A roll cage? At least some harnesses and good seats. He's going to need wider rims and at least some high performance tires, if not slicks. Brakes? 500hp needs to stop too. Boost, oil pressure, EGT, water temp, and fuel pressure gauges at the minimum. And most importantly of all TUNING TIME!! Its going to cost a small fortune for him to get that all dyno tuned. Because you know full well he can't do it himself.

Then the first time down the track something will break. There's more money right there.

I think YOUR estimate is even further off. People tend to forget all the small or supporting parts costs that add up to more than the big stuff. He'd be wise to plan his budget at at least $15,000.

 

[JOEY A]

what the hell kind of gaskets are you using?WTF

Thats were the bullshit MISC parts come in, I clearly said add some gaskets, bulshit parts, who knows what else hes going to need might as well new OEM oil pump, water pump, fly wheel.

All kindas some small crap

 

[JOEY A]

So who in this thread has gone 10Tens??????????, were all bench racing this thread should be locked.



Kid come back to us when you bought a turbo, and when you have a built motor ready and then you will get props.

Other wise.............................Your racing with hopes and dreams along with some other people on here.

 

[JOEY A]

GUess what ladies and gentleman with the exception of small stuff that We will alow for a nother $1500 bucs that's it bring the grand total to $8200 we'll say $300 for shipping to make it an even $8500 . That's only $3500 more than his 5k and again that is with ass raper pricing. If you think you need more to go fast just hit up the 1/4 mile list and take a look at people going 10.6-10.9. The only thing that will swing this night and day higher then where it is is if you do suspension. [/QUOTE]




HAHAHAHHAHAHA what a JOKE


So your telling me if I spend 1,000 more on my car it can run 10s?!!!!!! I have around 7,000 into this car right now and its not going 10s.


Your forum bench racing a very sad out look on how to build a car, I spend a little over 7k on parts, rember THINGS BREAK. Things need to be replaced, OEM parts arent cheap. Doing things the correct way isnt cheap.


Since most HACKs think its so easy then why arent you in the 10s yet, I love those people.

Well My car isnt tuned but the car should do 11s, you know what im talking about. those IT SHOULD DO THIS kind of people. I see forsale adds all the time, "capable of 10s" "Should run 11s". To many dreamers have fun and good day.