T-70 bb Supporting mods suggestions

[JOEY A]

Man, you guys like to bash. 97 talon kid,dont listen to these guys they are probly all stuck in the 11's or slower. A t70 with a small a/r and running an auto trans is a great setup. With a high stall 4k+ and a bit of anti-lag you will 60foot just fine. FOR THE HATERS THIS IS AN AUTO TRANS WHEN ITS ON BOOST IT WILL STAY THERE.I think the people that posted should get a clue and worry about there slow cars first.
Dont let these guys bring you down it sounds like a nice set up. If you have any ???? feel free to contact me at dogboxracing.com.

Btw- I am running a t72 with a gtq wheel on my 5spd street car.

People are telling him the truth its easy to put parts on a car, shit look at all the 50trim people that cant get outta the 13s. I can put a Th88 on my car will it be fast no, it would be slow and suck.


Pretty much all the guys are just giving him a reality check, its not bad its a good thing. Ive seen countless people get way in over there head and there car never ends up done or putting down a good time...



And your going to wanting a motor that car rev since it will like making power up top..

 

[97 Talon Kid]

And your going to wanting a motor that car rev since it will like making power up top..

Hence all the built internals i'll be purshacing oh also the head work i'm geting done and don't ferget the cams

 

[squeak10686]

I'm nineteen years old man... been doing this bullshit for 2 and a half years right now... started with a 16g than nitrous'd...

than to a 460whp stock bottom end dsm that I blew up on the dyno... You have no Idea what your getting yourself into man... I'm in the process of building one wicked car right now and it took me BABY steps to get where I'm trying to go...

start small go big... right now you have your head up your ass and thats me being polite...
Andrew

 

[daren_p]

What exactly are your goals for this car? (times? daily driver, etc?). Not trying to be rude but I think you should listen to people when they say baby steps. Your young and have a part time job only? If this is going to be an on going long term project, that one thing but 5 g's won't get you very far. You will probably have to put 2 to 3 times that amount into the car to have it in descent running shape, then will end up spending a few more on parts that break.

 

[97 Talon Kid]

Ok don't you people read ok for 1. I'm buying a seperate block and tearing it apart getting the work on my very first post done to strengthen the motor 2. I know 5g won't be enought but i've saved that much so far I'm still saveing more considering i just got off work and 3. I know what i'm getting my self into I know it's gonna be a bi*** getting this whole project togeather 4. this is not going to be my daily driver I also have a 90 Nissan sentra for my daily driver. 5. it's a full time job 6. no idea what times i wan't to run.

 

[97 Talon Kid]

Except it's some kid who thinks he can drive it to school every day and go run 10s on the weekend.

You can't ####ing read can you I said I have a 90 nissan sentra and i'm graduated btw i'm not a kid.. WTF

 

[autronicDSM]

Ok don't you people read ok for 1. I'm buying a seperate block and tearing it apart getting the work on my very first post done to strengthen the motor 2. I know 5g won't be enought but i've saved that much so far I'm still saveing more considering i just got off work and 3. I know what i'm getting my self into I know it's gonna be a bi*** getting this whole project togeather 4. this is not going to be my daily driver I also have a 90 Nissan sentra for my daily driver. 5. it's a full time job 6. no idea what times i wan't to run.

Nobody cares. When your car is done, post 3 time slips of it running 10s and some pictures. Then we'll applaud you.

 

[autronicDSM]

btw i'm not a kid.. WTF

Yes you are. You write like one and you failed to use a search function

 

[97 Talon Kid]

I've searched for people with t-70's like mine, but no one has T-70's. also not doing a search has nothign to do with being a kid....WTF

 

[squeak10686]

I've searched for people with t-70's like mine, but no one has T-70's. also not doing a search has nothign to do with being a kid....WTF

Say this outloud IM SOFA KING WE TOD DID!

good day
Andrew

 

[TSIMonsteR]

^^ I had to say that like 5 times to figure it out... I think I am retarded

 

[TSIMonsteR]

To the guy who posted. Start slow. Do all your tranny mods first! After that, grab up all of your fuel stuff and DSMLink. Now, at this point you have a great base setup, now you can raise the boost, or get another turbo. Scrap the MAFT setup until you need it (beyond 450whp). The turbo decision is up to you, but I like this chart dejon has: http://dsm.dejonpowerhouse.com/
I think that an external gated 3431RE would be perfect for your goals, also an MBC to control boost

 

[bigdogg2834]

I have a couple questions to ask that may help everybody be able to help you better.

1. Is this a street or track car? I know in your first post you said street car and in other posts you have said you want a little of both. You also mentioned having a dd which makes it seem like you want this to be a more track oriented car. Also for the turbo you chose I just don't see it being a fun street car. When I think of street car I think of a turbo that hits full boost before 4.5k at the latest but usually under 4k. On the street you want something that is going to spool quicker and something you can have fun with.

2. Do you have this t70 turbo already? If not, why this turbo? No offense but it is just a seldom used turbo in the dsm community and I can think of so many different turbo's out there that would be better suited for what you want. FP 3052 and 3065 come to mind. Quick spooling turbos that can put down some sick numbers. These are just a couple examples. Do a little research and you may find something that you like a lot better.

3. Do you have any particular goals? Like a horsepower goal? Or a timeslip goal? A certain rpm you would like to reach full boost at? It would help a ton to know what your exact goals are.

I don't have any doubt that you can do this if you really want to. You just need to do a ton of reading and research. Map out the goals that you want to accomplish and through research and learning from others, figure out the best plan to accomplish those goals. Try to answer these questions if you can and I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to help out.

 

[delta448]

Comment: Your spelling and grammar sucks donkey d!ck, but I'll forgive you since it's been so long since you graduated high school and it's easy to "ferget". I know my 18 year old baby sister can write much better than I can, and you can just imagine how long she's been out of school.

Questions: Have you really thought this out? I honestly can't understand why you think you should build your car around the T-70. That's an absolutely friggin' huge turbo. Do you really think that your little 2.0L will ever need 84lbs/min of airflow?

I'm not trying to sound like some wise old tuner, cause I'm neither (wise/old), but crawl before you walk and walk before you run. Set reasonable goals. Learn. Then get crazy.

 

[squeak10686]

Comment: my 18 year old baby sister can write much better than I can, and you can just imagine how long she's been out of school..

can i get her number????

 

[vr4play]

I have a coworker that runs a T-88 (auto trans, 2JZGTE) on the street. He started out with a T-66 (w/ a .60 a/r), and it seemed like it hit full boost instantly.

Good Luck.

 

[delta448]

I have a coworker that runs a T-88 (auto trans, 2JZGTE) on the street. He started out with a T-66 (w/ a .60 a/r), and it seemed like it hit full boost instantly.

Good Luck.

The Supra 2JZ is a 3 liter. Thats one and a half times as much as 2 liters, for the sofa kings out there. I think the T-66 should be for that engine, kinda like what an E3 16G is for our engines. So unless you plan to swap in the 2JZ...

-And Squeak, as soon as your mom pays me, I will buy my sis a phone and give you the number.

 

[vr4play]

The Supra 2JZ is a 3 liter. Thats one and a half times as much as 2 liters, for the sofa kings out there. I think the T-66 should be for that engine, kinda like what an E3 16G is for our engines. So unless you plan to swap in the 2JZ...

-And Squeak, as soon as your mom pays me, I will buy my sis a phone and give you the number.

Thanks for letting us all know how much you know. "3 liter"... no kidding . I wasn't comparing the 2JZ to a 4G63. I was saying that the T-66 is very streetable and telling him good luck with it.

 

[nanokpsi]

I have a coworker that runs a T-88 (auto trans, 2JZGTE) on the street. He started out with a T-66 (w/ a .60 a/r), and it seemed like it hit full boost instantly.

Good Luck.

In addition to being a larger motor, an auto with the right stall convertor will have very little lag. A t66 will still have some lag on a 2.0. I know the 67mm will as well (with a big hotside).

 

[delta448]

Thanks for letting us all know how much you know. "3 liter"... no kidding . I wasn't comparing the 2JZ to a 4G63. I was saying that the T-66 is very streetable and telling him good luck with it.

Okay... hold on a sec... I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I was not trying to attack you in any way. You must have took what I said as being directed at you, and it wasn't. What you replied to me with however, was a personal insult. I'm willing to let this whole thing go as long as you accept my apology to you and don't go flamin' up on me. So take a deep breath and chill out dude! I do apologize if I have offended anyone. -Anyone except squeak that is.

I was just saying that the 3L is going to need a much larger turbo than a 2L, in order to behave the same way. Just because it works great on a 3L certainly doesn't mean it's going to act that way on a non-stroked 4G63 dsm. Displacement really is the first concern when choosing the right "ballpark size" for your turbo. Then you worry about effeciency, max flow and everything else. You wouldn't just strap to your engine, some gorilla-sized turbo that works awesomely and runs super-smooth on a Dodge Viper, would you? Just because it's streetable on one engine doesn't necessarily mean it is on another. That is the only thing I've been trying to say here.

I am not trying to start any fights, with the OP or anyone else. I wish him luck too, I just hope he thinks it all through first and makes sure he still wants to go with that T-70 before throwing down the money for it.

 

[97 Talon Kid]

Ok, yea I respect your guys opinions but in mine yea I'm sure even with dsmlinks anti lag... the bb in the turbo and a highstall tourqe converter it's going to be hard for my motor to spin this beast to get boost but i'm determined. Another thing for thought is being as my car is an automatic when I shift I keep boost and my rpm's don't go below 4k when it shifts so it will still have very good boost. Just a though

 

[JOEY A]

I have a coworker that runs a T-88 (auto trans, 2JZGTE) on the street. He started out with a T-66 (w/ a .60 a/r), and it seemed like it hit full boost instantly.

Good Luck.

You cannot compare supras to DSMs at all, ever see a DSM with a Th88? T67 and 42Rs are the norm for very very large turbos in the DSM world.




And Autos spool faster, explaining why the car spooled so quick.

My freind has a GT42R in his supra, he is running a larger hot side than norm. The car also has a GM TH400 trans with a 5,500 stall the car has hardly any lag/////////But if it was a 6speed car it would be rrrreeally laggy.

 

[JOEY A]

Ok, yea I respect your guys opinions but in mine yea I'm sure even with dsmlinks anti lag... the bb in the turbo and a highstall tourqe converter it's going to be hard for my motor to spin this beast to get boost but i'm determined. Another thing for thought is being as my car is an automatic when I shift I keep boost and my rpm's don't go below 4k when it shifts so it will still have very good boost. Just a though

Can I ask why your so dead set on this T70 turbo? I havent seen anything about you explaining why you want it, also you havent told anyone what your power goals are?????????????????

 

[vr4play]

delta448 - sorry... I took it as you telling me that I don't know what I am talking about.

The comparison I was trying to make is that if the T-66 is POSITIVELY MORE THAN STREETABLE in a auto supra, it MIGHT BE STEETABLE (not that it is) in a auto dsm. Just trying to undo some of the discouraging comments.

I am glad I didn't listen to folks when they told me a 50trim is all I need for the street. It may have been, but I am more than happy with my 60-1. Different strokes for different folks when it comes to setups.

Once again 97talonkid, good luck with the T-70.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

I didn't think you could use DSMLinks anti-lag in an auto?