T-70 bb Supporting mods suggestions

[JOEY A]

delta448 - sorry... I took it as you telling me that I don't know what I am talking about.

The comparison I was trying to make is that if the T-66 is POSITIVELY MORE THAN STREETABLE in a auto supra, it MIGHT BE STEETABLE (not that it is) in a auto dsm. Just trying to undo some of the discouraging comments.

I am glad I didn't listen to folks when they told me a 50trim is all I need for the street. It may have been, but I am more than happy with my 60-1. Different strokes for different folks when it comes to setups.

Once again 97talonkid, good luck with the T-70.

Your on the right track but, a 60-1 has been used in the honda world and the DSM wrold for years. I dont see alot of supra guys running a 60-1.

A T66 is not the same as a 60-1, you have to take into account different trims. 50trim is kinda mis lead because there are larger and smaller wheels. Thats how the turbo world works.


My freind is running the largest wheel on his GT42R, and its not suited for a street DSM at all.

 

[AuntiesTSI]

Say this outloud IM SOFA KING WE TOD DID!

good day
Andrew

hes retarded??

retarded is running 39 psi on a 60-1 and only gettin 460 hp because you were to lazy to tighten the nuts on your intake manifold. youre lucky you didnt get to spray before your motor blew or youre whole car wouldve went up in flames.
retarded is callin your friends every 10 minutes to ask how to install the vce so you could even dyno or to drop a tranny for that matter.
retarded is pickin up a piece of the rod you blew out of your block 30 seconds after it had repeated 8k pulls.

whos retarded??

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6591224167222566275&q=dsm+dyno

 

[elfroggo]

omfg that is serious pwned

 

[JOEY A]

haha

 

[ISUJakey]

I'm gone for a week and come back hoping to see 97 Talon Kid with his 8 second car but it looks as if I'm going to be disappointed.

 

[Slippi84]

Ok first off Andrew I think everyone with a computer saw you shoot your rod threw your block tryin to run crazy boost on a stock bottom end. So while you made good power so ####in what you blew your car up. I know your gonns come out with the "We didn't care ...We had another one getting built" I have already addressed that in a nother thread but anyway my point is you guys want to talk baby steps that doesn't mean blowing your car apart . Baby steps is tuning a 16g setup to the limit then going 50 trim then something like a 60-1 or scm61 then a t70 or w/e baby steps isn't runing a 16g then blowing up your car trying to make 500hp with a stock block.


Before any of you guys talk about how the kid is stupid for think this is a streetable car why don't you stop and think wow maybe his idea of streetable is diffrent then mine especialy considering that he has a nother car and might only use this car maybe just on the weekends or when he just wants to mess around??? You assume that street car means go to the store go to work ect... that is a dd not to be confused with a street car. He said he wants a streetcar/track smut.


Anway so I don't end up like the rest of the clows that not once gave any advice on what to do and only said how they felt....I would look for some 950 or 1000cc pte/fic cause as a street car you will run pump gas and 850's will run out of steam up top where that t70 will shine . I don't knwo about auto trans but I would think you will need to a chip or such seperate from dsmlink to tell your car to keep reving past the stock settings cause just cause you raise the rev limit on dsmlink to 8500 that doesn't mean the car will know to rev any higher. Also back to fuel you don't have any fuel mods other than injectors listed you should look into bosch or areomotive fuel pump and a AFPR for sure cause no matter how strong your engine is you will granade it everytime without the right amount of fuel ask andrew that is one thing he does know about. Last when lookin and trying to decide between t4 and t4 hosuing be aware that yes the t4 will flow more but it will create more lag even with a small .63ar t4 housing setup. I know its not your dd and just a street car but unless you rev to the moon with a t4 hosuing it may not be what your lookin for that's just my .02. Good luck man

 

[AuntiesTSI]

Ok first off Andrew I think everyone with a computer saw you shoot your rod threw your block tryin to run crazy boost on a stock bottom end. So while you made good power so ####in what you blew your car up. I know your gonns come out with the "We didn't care ...We had another one getting built" I have already addressed that in a nother thread but anyway my point is you guys want to talk baby steps that doesn't mean blowing your car apart . Baby steps is tuning a 16g setup to the limit then going 50 trim then something like a 60-1 or scm61 then a t70 or w/e baby steps isn't runing a 16g then blowing up your car trying to make 500hp with a stock block.

not tryin to start anything or take away from the thread because there is finally some decent opinions comin, but andrew did not have another block being built when that happened. i have read a lot of his posts on here and he lies about alot. and like he said there were now baby steps either. all andrew did was buy a big turbo, big intercooler, ss fuel lines, and have diesel geek do the rest including the MS and tuning

ANYWAY the other good thing about you havin the auto is that once you actually get the turbo sppolin you wont have to worry about losing much boost and falling out on shifts and such as well. like Slippi said youre gonna need pretty big injectors to be running the t70 in its efficiency range

 

[97 Talon Kid]

Finally some people with sence. Yea and this winter when I get all the parts togeather and on the car it's only getting boosted around 10-15 psi for the first few months. I plan on breaking in the new parts, not dude I just rebuilt the whole motor and I'm gonna boost it to 30 psi and blow the #### outa it in a week. thx for tip also, I'll look into that stuff for the tranny and injecters, also my thoughts on the slow spool up yea i'm sure it wil take some times to spool with the t4 mani because the runners are longer then the t3 but, my turbine houseing on the t-70 has the t4 exhaust inlets being 2 holes not 1 like I said before with the t3 hybrids I would think that the space between could cause an unwanted restriction, also I would like to state it's got .84 turbine and .70 comp flow and also... my friend was saying that haveing my dump tube reconnect to the dp would reduce the chance of comp surge think he's got a good idea? I mean I really don't wan't to just run a pipe from the waste gate down under my motor and hear the dump tube over my turbo so... yea thanks

 

[ghettosmurf]

I've searched for people with t-70's like mine, but no one has T-70's. also not doing a search has nothign to do with being a kid....

maybe because they aren't dumb asses and want to be realistic???

 

[delta448]

I'll look into that stuff for the tranny and injecters

I second the motion.

my friend was saying that haveing my dump tube reconnect to the dp would reduce the chance of comp surge think he's got a good idea?

As long as you don't have any boost creep issues. -joke
I don't know if that would help prevent surging or not, can you explain what his reasoning was? I thought lack of BOV sensitivity was to blame for surging.

I'm thinking that having it reconnect would slow down the exhaust that bypasses the turbine, increasing off-boost exhaust pressure in the mani and turbine. That could mean better response after shifting, however I would assume that it doesn't help surging, but rather creates it by keeping the turbo spooling harder at part throttle. I'm sure your turbo-back exhaust system would need to flow pretty well to prevent this. In any case, you should invest in a real good BOV, if even just because of what that turbo is capable of flowing.

edit: since you have an auto, spooling after shifting is not going to be a real issue for you, so you may want to consider dumping for better reliability and less stress on the turbo and mani

 

[CanadianTalon]

Another thing for thought is being as my car is an automatic when I shift I keep boost and my rpm's don't go below 4k when it shifts so it will still have very good boost. Just a though

Are you kidding me? You think falling down to 4000 RPM's with a big T70 on a tiny ass whackjob 2.5" downpipe is going to have any boost at all? To make a T70 useable on a 2 litre motor you're talking about needing to turn 9000+ RPM's and have a very good tune to make sure it actually spools.

Good thing you're going to be running 10mm wires and chevette bearings to handle all that power And why the hell isn't this in newbie questions? Didn't you see the big thing that says "how to run 10's when you haven't run 12's yet" under the newbie forum? Last I checked you were barely old enough to go to the track without needing your parents permission, so maybe you should try posting there first.

 

[gr8popp]

Say this outloud IM SOFA KING WE TOD DID!

good day
Andrew

I love it. kudoes.
This dude did save 5k to invest in mods. How far will this get him?

 

[compression]

Last I checked you were barely old enough to go to the track without needing your parents permission, so maybe you should try posting there first.

Actually i cant run my car without my father there because i am only 17. Are you saying that because i need my parents permission it somehow makes me some kind of newbie? maybe i should stick to the newbie forum because im not quite 18 yet.

 

[CanadianTalon]

Actually i cant run my car without my father there because i am only 17. Are you saying that because i need my parents permission it somehow makes me some kind of newbie? maybe i should stick to the newbie forum because im not quite 18 yet.

If you were asking how to build a 700+ WHP setup then I would say yeah, you are a newbie. If you're doing or asking realistic questions age shouldn't have anything to do with it, but he definitely isn't asking realistic questions, especially for his age.

And all the NHRA tracks here require you to be 18 unless you have parental permission, so that's what I was going off of.

 

[97 Talon Kid]

what does age have anything to do with all this turbo stuff..... I turned 18 6 months ago..... and uhhif your just Gonna post stupid ass comments and not giveing any good advice just get outa my post Canadian Talon

 

[PSI NRG]

Personally 5 grand wont come close to being able to get the parts you need to get the set up you want. I'm not running a t70 but I have a fully built motor and trans along with pretty much everything you could possibly do to a dsm's motor and it wasnt cheap! 5 grand would be about enough to buy the motor youre going to need to run a t70. And in all honesty no 18 year old is responsible enough to drive 500 hp car you will just hurt yourswelf or others or get throwin in jail. Do it the right way and start small and work yourself up to a bigger set up. You may have riden in a 10second car but have you ever driven one? Its pretty scary... I wont lie my car scared me when it was at 300whp...If I were you I would do some more research and get something that you can learn on then once you think you are ready to take on a task of building a 500+ hp car then do it. Good luck

Take a look at my mods in my profile... My car is a most street and occasion track car, You might think the numbers are low but this is on a mustang dyno and only on 18 psi it translates to about 460whp and thats no joke!

The T-70 is a huge turbo you should probably run something like a gt30 or smaller which would be perfect for a street car even a track car for your first "big" turbo car. This will get you used to the way the power kicks it and what the car does. You've got alot fo years ahead of you to have a monster car.

 

[gamingguru]

O, poo poo. I had 500hp out of my talon when I was 18 and I didn't do anything but destroy drivetrain parts with it. I would say get a smaller turbo there buddy, T-70 is pretty big.

 

[CanadianTalon]

what does age have anything to do with all this turbo stuff..... I turned 18 6 months ago..... and uhhif your just Gonna post stupid ass comments and not giveing any good advice just get outa my post Canadian Talon

Age usually has a strong relationship to maturity and experience. Tell me, what's the fastest car you've ever driven, and driven hard? Yep, and that's exactly why you have no business behind the wheel of a 600+ horsepower car. Like the newbie forum says, don't go around asking how to run 10's (or 9's) when you havn't run 11's, 12's, 13's, or 14's yet.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything, but I'm going to have to jump on the "reality check" bandwagon.

Look at some of the things you have on this mod list. Its obvious you went to some website and just started picking random parts with no research. This is why everyone is flaming you.


Port polished head 5 angle valave job
block bored .20
rebalanced/blueprinted block
Why 5 angle? Just because its a bigger number than 3? Why only .20 over? You can't balance a block. Do you understand the modifications you're listing here?

10mm plug wires
With what ignition system? The stock ignition isn't going to light off 35psi on a T70.

860cc injecters
Most people I know running <10's are using 1000cc's or bigger (or secondaries). 860cc won't even come close on that turbo.

Fidanza 8 lbs flywheel
They make a lightweight flex plate for automatics?

ebay fmic
3" gm maft
All this power and huge turbo and you're going to run an SSautochrome intercooler?WTF Again, most of the really fast people I know are running air/waters. If you're going to do it then go all out, don't skimp on something an intercooler, I doubt that core will flow 700+ hp very efficiently.


DSM link
eprom ecu socketed and chipped for 860cc denzo's
Blitz dual SBC spec-r
Again, all that and you're going to run just DSMlinK? Get a haltech, AEM, etc. And those have intergal boost controllers.

Where is the roll cage, seats, and harnesses on your mod list?


As everyone else has said, you need to set clear goals and rethink. You've pulled a random huge turbo out of the air and are hell bent on using it. A guy in the local club just had his GSX go 10.8 @130mph on a 3571 (i believe it was a 71, that might not be right), yea I know he can't drive but his studder box also wasn't working.

A T70 is disgusting over kill and belongs on a Supra not a DSM. Set a time slip or power number goal and select an appropriate sized turbo. You said you want to drive it on the street? You can't street a T70 on a 2.0, never gona happen. Like someone else said, crawl before you walk, walk before you run. I don't know anyone that's gone from a stock car to a 8 second car in one huge step on their first time.

I don't want to discourage you, but I second the fact that this car will never leave the garage unless you get your stuff together and get realistic.



And canadian, I drove a 600hp 911 when I was 17, and yes I drove it hard. I guess that makes me "mature" enough. Look on the bright side, he's not talking about "streeting racing" or the fast and the furious. That's has to count for something.

 

[Fastass96]

I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything, but I'm going to have to jump on the "reality check" bandwagon.

Look at some of the things you have on this mod list. Its obvious you went to some website and just started picking random parts with no research. This is why everyone is flaming you.


Port polished head 5 angle valave job
block bored .20
rebalanced/blueprinted block
Why 5 angle? Just because its a bigger number than 3? Why only .20 over? You can't balance a block. Do you understand the modifications you're listing here?

10mm plug wires
With what ignition system? The stock ignition isn't going to light off 35psi on a T70.

860cc injecters
Most people I know running <10's are using 1000cc's or bigger (or secondaries). 860cc won't even come close on that turbo.

Fidanza 8 lbs flywheel
They make a lightweight flex plate for automatics?

ebay fmic
3" gm maft
All this power and huge turbo and you're going to run an SSautochrome intercooler?WTF Again, most of the really fast people I know are running air/waters. If you're going to do it then go all out, don't skimp on something an intercooler, I doubt that core will flow 700+ hp very efficiently.


DSM link
eprom ecu socketed and chipped for 860cc denzo's
Blitz dual SBC spec-r
Again, all that and you're going to run just DSMlinK? Get a haltech, AEM, etc. And those have intergal boost controllers.

Where is the roll cage, seats, and harnesses on your mod list?


As everyone else has said, you need to set clear goals and rethink. You've pulled a random huge turbo out of the air and are hell bent on using it. A guy in the local club just had his GSX go 10.8 @130mph on a 3571 (i believe it was a 71, that might not be right), yea I know he can't drive but his studder box also wasn't working.

A T70 is disgusting over kill and belongs on a Supra not a DSM. Set a time slip or power number goal and select an appropriate sized turbo. You said you want to drive it on the street? You can't street a T70 on a 2.0, never gona happen. Like someone else said, crawl before you walk, walk before you run. I don't know anyone that's gone from a stock car to a 8 second car in one huge step on their first time.

I don't want to discourage you, but I second the fact that this car will never leave the garage unless you get your stuff together and get realistic.



And canadian, I drove a 600hp 911 when I was 17, and yes I drove it hard. I guess that makes me "mature" enough. Look on the bright side, he's not talking about "streeting racing" or the fast and the furious. That's has to count for something.

I think he needs to do some crawling to but what is wrong with dsm link? I use dsm link and I made 600awhp with it. I am building a new set up and thinkng about aem. But the dsm link has worked very well!! Why does he think he needs a t70 it is a nice turbo but big to big.

 

[compression]

DSM link
eprom ecu socketed and chipped for 860cc denzo's
Blitz dual SBC spec-r
Again, all that and you're going to run just DSMlinK? Get a haltech, AEM, etc. And those have intergal boost controllers.

Excuse me but there are people making 900+whp on a stage 3 keydiver chip. no aem no haltech , not even dsmlink(although the chip is a miniature version of dsmlink that you just cant change)

 

[nanokpsi]

Excuse me but there are people making 900+whp on a stage 3 keydiver chip. no aem no haltech , not even dsmlink(although the chip is a miniature version of dsmlink that you just cant change)

Is there any proof to this 900+whp made with a key diver chip? I just find it hard to believe that anyone with the parts/money to make that much power would be such a cop out on engine management.

 

[Fastass96]

Is there any proof to this 900+whp made with a key diver chip? I just find it hard to believe that anyone with the parts/money to make that much power would be such a cop out on engine management.

The fastest dsm link that I know about is doing 9 sec. in a 1/4 mile.

 

[JOEY A]

Excuse me but there are people making 900+whp on a stage 3 keydiver chip. no aem no haltech , not even dsmlink(although the chip is a miniature version of dsmlink that you just cant change)

Who?

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Is there any proof to this 900+whp made with a key diver chip? I just find it hard to believe that anyone with the parts/money to make that much power would be such a cop out on engine management.

My point exactly. Like I said before, if you're going to do it, then go all the way. I'm not hating on the Link, I'm just saying for the power levels he wants, more is better.

If you're going for some 900hp monster, you're going to want to be in control of every little aspect of the ECU right down to its self image and personality. I've said it before. People have gone 11's on a 14b, but does that mean its the best way to hit 11's? No way. Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean its the best way.



I also hope this kid realizes, that these 700+hp cars don't cruise the town and people don't go for relaxing or even fast paced mountain drives in these things. They get started in the garage... bucked, lurched, and stalled onto a trailer... towed to the track... pushed off the trailer... they make a few passes (sometimes only one) and something breaks... you push it back onto the trailer... you tow it home... you spend thousands fixing it... rinse and repeat.

Welcome to owning a car with a 400hp/liter specific output. Is this really what you want? If you get this T70 powered beast together and running, you won't be going to pick up your girlfriend and go out to eat and smoke a Ferrari on the way if that's what you're thinking. You'll show people the car parked in the garage and tell them how fast it was when you last drove it 4 months ago at the track. I've watched my friends do it. Most end up modding their daily driver to a more reasonable level (some get carried away and slowly create another trailer queen) and they get far more enjoyment out of their 12-13 second daily driver than they do out of their completely useless 8-9 second car that is good for nothing more than making 1/4 mile passes on a prepped track. The most fun we've ever had was with my friend's EF Civic hatch driving around with 4 people in it, in all of its bone stock 60hp glory and just beating the crap out of it. Of course that later became an unliveable and unearthly fast track car which made it to the track at most 2 times a year and was constantly broken. From then on all that car did was waste money, cause bleeding and pain, and get cursed at alot.