Stock Turbo Cams

[94MightyMax]

I cant find a strait yes or no asnwer. So heres my question. Can you hit 400rwhp with stock turbo cams?

 

[TRIXTSI]

I know this isn't an great comparo but on the Evo 8/9's with their respective oem turbo size 16g and stock cams some are making 400 hp on local Mustang dynos here in NorCal.

Maany are doing so w/ minor mods and E85.

By the way not to get OT but if anyone needs some good beehive valve springs off my Evo9 pm me.

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

So you want to slap a few cheap parts on a car to produce a couple of good dyno runs and then sell that POS to some unsuspecting newb for considerably more money than it's worth.

Sounds like you're one of the reasons this board exists.

I think you summed it pretty nicely.

 

[JayRolla]

I know this isn't an great comparo but on the Evo 8/9's with their respective oem turbo size 16g and stock cams some are making 400 hp on local Mustang dynos here in NorCal.

Maany are doing so w/ minor mods and E85.

By the way not to get OT but if anyone needs some good beehive valve springs off my Evo9 pm me.

Yeap this is true, same thing here in Colorado. For some reason I still have yet to see the evo 16g break 430whp even on dyno jets. Wierd how the old evo 3 16g seems to have more potential.

WTF That's quite a goal there. What turbo are you looking to buy?

Ohh an hx40 6 or 7 blade flowing 60lb/min on a stock longblock. Maybe even more if I dont hit my dynojet goal.

 

[mindset]

Ohh an hx40 6 or 7 blade flowing 60lb/min on a stock longblock. Maybe even more if I dont hit my dynojet goal.

Well. Good luck.

 

[JayRolla]

Well. Good luck.

, I know I will need it. To hit this goal I will most likely need cams expecially if I use the bolt on housing. If I can get 500whp I would actually be happy and say I dont need the cams. Just so dang expensive.

 

[dsm-onster]

If that was the case I woudnt be puttin in forged internals. I would run stock internals and not care if it shelled on the next person. I just dont wanna spend 10,000 dollars on this truck and sell it for 5, thats not the plan.

If you don't want to sell the truck for less than what you put into it then don't mod it. . .

I wouldn't pay 10K for a truck that NADA values for 1K plus someone elses dump of their particular choice in build parts that make it just what what THEY want. I want exactly what I want for 10K or even 5K or 2K for a truck that's worth 1K. . . Just food for thought.

BTW, you ARE cheaping out on your buyer. The Chinabay turbo you've posted doesn't merrit the forged internals you're installing. The measurements of that compressor wheel are not anything that matches ANY single BW turbo, garrett turbo, holset turbo, MHI turbo, Toyota turbo, nothing. You would be better off with a real garrett turbo and oem 6bolt internals. Take that path and you MIGHT break even. Here's how to make a small fortune with 4g6* builds: start with a large fortune and build a 4g6* . The blocks are a dime a dozen and it's easy as pie to throw in forged internals to make a 900whp capable block. Good luck!

. . . Still wondering why you would use forged internals with a china turbo that won't last long enough to smoke stock 6bolt internals .

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

If you don't want to sell the truck for less than what you put into it then don't mod it. . .

I wouldn't pay 10K for a truck that NADA values for 1K plus someone elses dump of their particular choice in build parts that make it just what what THEY want. I want exactly what I want for 10K or even 5K or 2K for a truck that's worth 1K. . . Just food for thought.

BTW, you ARE cheaping out on your buyer. The Chinabay turbo you've posted doesn't merrit the forged internals you're installing. The measurements of that compressor wheel are not anything that matches ANY single BW turbo, garrett turbo, holset turbo, MHI turbo, Toyota turbo, nothing. You would be better off with a real garrett turbo and oem 6bolt internals. Take that path and you MIGHT break even. Here's how to make a small fortune with 4g6* builds: start with a large fortune and build a 4g6* . The blocks are a dime a dozen and it's easy as pie to throw in forged internals to make a 900whp capable block. Good luck!

. . . Still wondering why you would use forged internals with a china turbo that won't last long enough to smoke stock 6bolt internals .

Dude I totally agree with everything you are saying. Why? He's cheap is going to end up ripping some kid who has his dreams very high on such a vehicle. You can get genuine USED turbos from private parties for as cheap as you can get a new turbo )if you can call it that) from Fleabay.

You have two choices, drop in a cheap ebay turbo and skimp on every section of this build, no need for internals since you are doing so might I add. Or you can actually drop some dime on it and make it a awesome little vehicle. You choose, personally and I think this speaks for all of Tuners when I say choose option 2.

 

[94MightyMax]

Wow thanks for calling me cheap, nice low ball there bud. I did not realize Ebay turbo were that bad, my friend ran one on his DD integra at 10 lbs for a year without any problems. Granted that 10 lbs to the 20-25 I am hoping for. We got the truck for free, the idea is to build it right and sell it and try and make some money off it. I personally dislike DSMs, they run good when they run, that two days out of the month. I want to build another RX7, so here I am trying to build this to make some spare change to build the car I want.

Theres not many people here with 'fast' vehicles. I think the fastest local kid on the street is either a SRT-4 running mid 13s or possibly a new gto thats probably in the low 13s. The plan is to build this enough to beat them and throw down some good numbers to grab some ricers attention. And sure if someone decent buys it they will see the time and effort spent on it. And for ripping some kid off, this will not be sold to some kid, I am not going to assist in ones suicide. I have seen way too many dumb@$$ punk kids total cars that are too much for them to handle. If your going to be a dick to me in my thread please see your way out.

As for the people helping out, thank you. Im sorry if I am askin dumb questions about turbos, I have NEVER owned a turbo car. I dont really even know what half of the numbers mean on the listings that I posted up. I realize quality costs a lot, and it seems especially so on a turbo. I just cant justify a grand on a turbo. I may just end up running a stock exhaust mani with a big 16G and call it good. I just liked the idea of hitting at least 400whp. But even mid 300s in a 2000lb truck should be a pretty quick vehicle.

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

I don't think anyone intended on being a dick, but as previously stated, in out honest opinion the way you are doing it is wrong, but that's why it's called an opinion. Also we figured you had researched what turbo and among other things before posting. Yes it will be ok to run on stock cams, yes it will be ok to run on an ebay turbo.

Sorry if I or anyone else on this thread came off as being dick, we were or I am at least stating my opinion on the matter, I actually respect hybrids a ton, I just think you are going about it wrong.

 

[94MightyMax]

Thats why I try to ask for help, and if I happen to state something wrong then you can correct me, rather then calling me cheap, and ripping someone off. If I wanted to rip someone off I wouldnt have even done internals, I would have swapped the head and told the poor bastard is was a fully built block.

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

Thats why I try to ask for help, and if I happen to state something wrong then you can correct me, rather then calling me cheap, and ripping someone off. If I wanted to rip someone off I wouldnt have even done internals, I would have swapped the head and told the poor bastard is was a fully built block.

Ok, I apologize then, I figured you had known what you are doing. Anyways, I would run cams, you won't need springs unless you plan on revving very high into rpm band. I would never get a Ebay turbo, especially if you are going to be running 20ish pounds of boost on it . You can get fairly cheap used turbos that are main brand and very well taken care of that will last you a life time. Just do a search on Ebay Turbos and make the choice yourself. But as for the original question, since you are building the block up anyways, might as well cam it while your are in there. It will make goal that much more easier.

 

[JayRolla]

Man low 13's are the fastest street cars. Man it would be easy to rule the streets there. We have tons of low 11's and a few 10's runnin the streets. And thats just the dsm's, not to mention all the 600+ e85 honda's we have.

 

[94MightyMax]

It will not be a high revving motor 7k rpm max, anything over that and we need a different trans. So I might try and get a steal on some 272s for a good price then. What turbo should I keep an eye out for then?

 

[94MightyMax]

Man low 13's are the fastest street cars. Man it would be easy to rule the streets there. We have tons of low 11's and a few 10's runnin the streets. And thats just the dsm's, not to mention all the 600+ e85 honda's we have.

Yah its kinda sad. My 15.0 Rumble Bee hands more then half the cars their @$$ here. Once I supercharge it and dip into mid 13s I will have the fastest truck here by far. Theres the rare sighting of a guy who has a 11.1 cuda that drive its in town but its like 3 times a year. And some people from surrounding towns have mid 12 second cars with every third one being a big diesel truck.

 

[dsm-onster]

I realize quality costs a lot, and it seems especially so on a turbo. I just cant justify a grand on a turbo. I may just end up running a stock exhaust mani with a big 16G and call it good. I just liked the idea of hitting at least 400whp. But even mid 300s in a 2000lb truck should be a pretty quick vehicle.

Totally understandable. Sorry to come off like a hard a$$. . . Just to clarify. The turbo is the ONLY reason these motors have potential. If it weren't for the turbo, where would the power come from? There's no reason to have a 4cylinder built for trap speeds without forced induction or ZERO weight. So spending a grand on a turbo makes or breaks your build. Period. Still, I don't think you need to spend a grand. You jsut need a good used turbo. Holset H1c 50-54mm inducer. or REAL MHI evo3 16g. Both will net 350whp.

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

REAL MHI evo3 16g. Both will net 350whp.

There's a few threads of this turbo going 400. In such a light truck you will trap great. 350 is going to be killer in that truck 400 will be the super sleeper.

 

[94MightyMax]

Well Im lookin at some EVo Big 16Gs on ebay. Are these real? the ones for like 250 or are they cheap knock offs as well? The biggest thing I dont like about them is the internal wastegate. I am not a big fan of that design I have seen it fail many times on the subaru turbos.

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

Well Im lookin at some EVo Big 16Gs on ebay. Are these real? the ones for like 250 or are they cheap knock offs as well? The biggest thing I dont like about them is the internal wastegate. I am not a big fan of that design I have seen it fail many times on the subaru turbos.

$250 is almost to cheap for a genuine b16g I'm sure it's knockoff. Try Extremepsi.com or other vendors. Dsmgraveyard is another great place. Any place sponsored by Tuners will be a good place.

What's wrong with internally gated turbos? They aren't that unreliable, they just aren't as easily adjusted.

 

[94MightyMax]

Ok will look into those. So I am looking at 16gs and 20gs, which do I want? They say the 16g flows 550cfm at 38lns/min while the 20g flows 640cfm but only 36lbs/min?

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

Whatever you prefer, you can reach your goal with a 16g. Just do tons of research. You will easily be able to decide between the two. I actually think there is a thread like this somewhere.

 

[94MightyMax]

Ok thanks for all the help, the turbo is still at least a month off the parts list so I will have plenty of time for research

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

That's the most important factor in choosing the right turbo, either way you go though. You won't be disappointed.

 

[dsm-onster]

There's a few threads of this turbo going 400.

Not many without cams. If no cam upgrade what fuel . "This truck need to be driven on racegas if you want it to perform like it's built", should be in the ad. He'll be really pushing the 16g to net his goal with stock cams. Definately doable. But 93 octane is easy to find. And much easier on the motor with a bigger turbo at that goal. . .

 

[95fwdtsi18psi]

Not many without cams. If no cam upgrade what fuel . "This truck need to be driven on racegas if you want it to perform like it's built", should be in the ad. He'll be really pushing the 16g to net his goal with stock cams. Definately doable. But 93 octane is easy to find. And much easier on the motor with a bigger turbo at that goal. . .

Yep, I agree. The OP of that article had cams 272/264 I think and he ended up pushing like 420ish I think on the Genuine 16g.

 

[Nightjoker7]

No tuning device for those injectors? Sounds good.

I don't think I would have 321hp with a evoIII and the stock tune use your head.