2G Starter grinding.. issues?

[98awdtsi]

Hey guys, im relatively new to the sight,

Ive got a 98 awd tsi talon
Its 6 bolt swapped

I recently picked it up about a week or so ago.

But just thursday on my way to work I pulled over and stopped the car. When i went to start it again, it was like the starter was binding up.

I took it off and had the starter checked today, it passed, but they said it may be failing when its under a load. So idk. But if I crank it over with a ratchet and unbind it, And then start the car it starts up.
Does it need shimed?

But my clutch pedal is also really weak. So i dont know if thats the master or slave cylinder?

Cause it has a brand new aluminum flywheel and clutch kit.

Can someone help me out so I can get her back on the road!!

 

[98awdtsi]

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Heres what my starter looks like,

Some teeth are chewed up a little, I dont know if that would cause my issue or be the result of something else?

FRUSTRATING.

 

[Austin Jedrzejek]

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Heres what my starter looks like,

Some teeth are chewed up a little, I dont know if that would cause my issue or be the result of something else?

FRUSTRATING.

When was the clutch put on? Did you do it your self?

 

[98awdtsi]

Previous owner did it. Along with the flywheel

 

[Austin Jedrzejek]

Previous owner did it. Along

Previous owner did it. Along with the flywheel

If it's not the starter that's bad the person who installed the clutch could have forgotten the plate that goes between the bell housing and the block its used as a spacer and would defiantly make it very difficult to start. If you look at the bell housing you should be able to see a metal plate in between the too. Did this problem just start to happen and how long have you had the car?

 

[2gmitsueclipse]

I would verify that the correct starter plate was used during your swap. There is a difference between the 1g and 2g AWD starter plate. The starter plate should be matched to the trans being used. You should be able to check how the plate lines up with the bell housing of the trans while the starter is out. Additionally, you may want to inspect the teeth on the flywheel.

What numbers are stamped on the starter plate?

For reference, check the pic below:

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[StrokerMax]

+ 1 on the bell housing plate. If thats missing then you have to pull the tranny to install it.

You might want to pull the bottom flywheel cover plate too and take a peak to see if anything is wrong with the flywheel.

A weak clutch pedal is usually your master or slave. I recommend replacing both at the same time. You can always try bleeding the system to see if it helps. I'm hoping everything was done right with the clutch replacement. I just had to replace my throw out bearing. I lost pressure in my clutch and thought it was my master and slave but after replacing them I started hearing my TOB grind. I've had my tranny out 3 times within the last year so I'm getting more practice than I can handle.

 

[98awdtsi]

Theres the flywheel l put white marks on the flywheel. And turned it over by hand and didnt see any broken teeth or anything so I think my starter is just bad

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[2gmitsueclipse]

Your pic doesn't show much, I would take a pic of where the starter goes. Multiple people have mentioned the starter plate.

1. Do you have one?

2. Does it line up with the bell housing?

 

[98awdtsi]

I do have a starter plate, im trying to upload the pic but it wont load for some reason.

But its a pic of the plate at or around the slave cylinder side. But with that being said. I marked the flywheel and hamd cranked it. There's no broken teeth or anything. But ill try and get a pic tomorrow of where the starter bolts up and maybe thatll explain more. But hopefully its just a bad starter

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Theres the pic of the plate. Not the best but is it enough for you to be able to tell which one it is?

 

[2gmitsueclipse]

This is an example of what you do NOT want to see:

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The plate should line up with the starter mounting holes on the bell housing.

 

[98awdtsi]

Okay ill get a pic tomorrow of what mine looks like.

If this starter plate is my issue. Do I have to fully remove the tranny to re do this?

 

[2gmitsueclipse]

Okay ill get a pic tomorrow of what mine looks like.

If this starter plate is my issue. Do I have to fully remove the tranny to re do this?

Yes. You will need to remove the flywheel to gain access to the smaller bolts attaching it to the block.

 

[98awdtsi]

Damnit. Im hoping this isnt the issue cause the car did fine for about a week and a half or so then it happened.

 

[2gmitsueclipse]

All it takes is a little peak where the starter goes. If it appears to be lined up, then get a new starter. If it doesn't look lined up, you will be hunting down the correct starter plate and use a weekend to put the correct one in.

 

[98awdtsi]

So eitherway it reality its not that big of a crisis. Just a pain in the rear. If its the the plate. I completely understand now.

I will get a pic tomorrow. And have it figured out.


Do you know.much about this ecmlink v3?

 

[2gmitsueclipse]

So eitherway it reality its not that big of a crisis. Just a pain in the rear. If its the the plate. I completely understand now.

I will get a pic tomorrow. And have it figured out.


Do you know.much about this ecmlink v3?

Keep the thread on topic for the next user searching for information found in this thread.

Read here: http://www.ecmtuning.com/

There are also countless threads on this site as well as the ECMTuning forum as well.

 

[pauleyman]

The pics you posted look like the inspection cover, not the starter plate

 

[98awdtsi]

I know, I was showing the pic of the flywheel to show I checked it over for broken teeth and stuff and it was fine and the other pic was of the starter plate to see if anyone could tell if it was right or wrong without me having to pull the starter.

But I am gonna pull it tomorrow and look and see if its correct or not

 

[98awdtsi]

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I think my plate is correct and is lined up so im thinking just a faulty starter

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[2gmitsueclipse]

Please try to use the edit feature to make corrections. This reduces the number of unnecessary posts.

If you feel the plate lines up, then I would replace the starter next.

 

[98awdtsi]

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Okay theres the best pic I can get everything feels and looks good to me What does everyone think?

 

[2gmitsueclipse]

From your photo, the starter holes look more oblong instead of round. It could just be the angle.

 

[98awdtsi]

Yes just the angle of the camera.
I felt around and cleaned everything. It all seems fine to me.

 

[eclipse012]

Just out of curiosity to the OP. When you said you pulled over and you noticed the noise when you restarted the car, how long did the car sit before that restart? Was it enough time that the engine had cooled off? Basically I have a little issue with my starter as well after my clutch install. The issue I have is that it makes a little bit of a grinding noise at the very end of the first cold start. This is due to the starter plunger not retracting fast enough Probably from being dirty and older. As soon as I start my car the first time and it warms up a little bit I no longer get any little grinds or anything on restarts until my car has sat for a decent amount of time and has cooled off again. I had searched a while back and found that people with the same issue had removed the starter and taken it apart a bit and basically cleaned and lubed up the moving plunger rod and it has solved the issue. Just something to try if you think it may work or not.