RWD 4G63 Subframe mod?

[4g63tc]

Find this guy, he may have just 5k in the build....

 

[96awd16g]

By all means, im all for swaps and determination, but care to share your logic and reasoning?

Lets say your cage gets certified, your car is safe, and you even get it together for 5k, now whats your goals? Run 10s? Hope your planning another over 5k in engine mods then. Looks like a bbf to me, which have laughable exhaust ports in 99% of stock heads. Don't plan on just tossing a cam in and a single plane on and its going to fly. It will be a dog. Throw in a mild cam, diy port job, and a good dual plan you might hit 400hp. Maybe.

Why not an ls? Hell a modular? Something that doesnt totally destroy the weight distribution and can make big power for half what a built bbf is gonna cost in parts alone?

Hell v8 swap all day, but consider the details and outcome before you are set on building a car that is not gonna corner worth a damn or run in a straight line for 5k.

I fully plan to put a lq4 with a 76-80mm turbo in a miata, but with aluminum heads, a lighter block, and composite intake, as well as how far the engine can be set back, making for a mid mounted (heavy) t56, and some moving weight around, you can achieve a decent weight distrubtion and still have fun.

 

[DSM's 4 life]

Thanks guys, I made the first post trying to gain further knowledge on the topic. It's hard to do research when no information on the topic exists. I am not building this car for the drag strip or autocross I don't even plan on doing launches due to the fact that i am keeping the stock rear end for a while. like others have said Once i get the block in position i can rebuild it as much as I want at a later time. eventually getting trickflow heads.

As you can see in the fist picture of the big block swap it looks like he used a front engine mid plate.
http://www.swracecars.com/Files/pdf/moto plates door car.pdf

 

[DSM IN MN]

Good. Luck.

 

[91-GS]

More pictures of the 4x4 Laser. It was a body swap on a 4x4 frame. Everything except A/C worked fine. Contact "Colt4G63 also", he was the one who built this vehicle.

And good luck with engine swap. You'r gonna have one heck of a drifter.

 

[DSM's 4 life]

The guy who built the 4x4 lancer lives like 15 min from my house I have talked to him before the only thing is that was put on a framed car I'm not putting the dsm shell on a rolling chassi.

 

[91-GS]

Might end up having to build/use a frame that will allow the car to handle the power/torque of the V8.

Couple build journals about engine swaps:
1G V8 Talon.
96 Eclipse V8 swap.

 

[2gSpyder4g64]

Your project reminds me of one, back in 2007 some guys in Aguas calientes (mexico) built a 2g 454 rs, it was sold (for not much $$$$) about a year ago.

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Here is the add : Eclipse 2000 | SeminuevoSSonora.com ( you gotta love mexican sites never update their info)

I know your building a 1g but still, it might be good motivation.

Also i know for a fact he didnt use the stock rear differential (or rear end), he also had to fab up alot of parts, theres a photobucket album of his build floating arround.

and you have to listen to gabriel, about the roll cage isues, the last thing you wanna do is wrek in a early 90s car, that had avergae collision ratings to start with, and was never meant to have a big block under the hood, and on top of that, a roll cage with welds made by a beginer (no offense).

anny way Good luck on the build and this is a car i'll love to see on the street, i have faith in you, and im sure it will take alot of work, dedication and cash , but you will evenetually get it done.

P.S. Sorry for my lame english its not my native language

 

[96awd16g]

See now knowing your plans, i am willing to offer positive input.

First, plan on eventually making the rear of your cage safe, but i would recommend tieing your cage into the front portion of the unibody. A mid plate could be attached to both the unibody and cage so it would handle the weight and torque. Consider "notching" the firewall to move the engine back as far as possible. Don't consider wot at all, might last once. Consider an 8.8 center out of a thunderbird with some nice cvs and your oem outers. An aluminum water pumps are relatively cheap and being old id highly recommend dropping that chunk of weight off the nose.

Imo consider the 8.8 irs center on the first go around. Make one driveshaft, mount it, and have cvs made. Cvs would be most expensive but imo worth it to enjoy your car.

Best of luck. If you do get over your head, put it on hold and do it right. Anyone will you tell its worth it to take time and do it right and be safe.

 

[swifteagle]

To Gabytech this is probably a 20k project to Haha. I think you can get that thang in there and running for 5k as long as you do all the work your self.some people forget that hottoding started building stuff like this on a budget.

 

[4g63tc]

LSX swap into a miata which is already RWD, with Prefabricated "Turn-Key" all new matched components, and modifications is 25K....So GAby isn't Far off when saying Doing it right is gonna cost more than 5K.

He's not Hating, he's being realistic..Hell it would be more than 5k to mock it up with legos.

http://www.cachassisworks.com/stories/howcac-004_web.pdf
A simple article on fabbing and installing a rear subframe in a RWD car, you'll get the idea real quick that 5k isn't near enough to do it right.

 

[gabytech]

To Gabytech this is probably a 20k project to Haha. I think you can get that thang in there and running for 5k as long as you do all the work your self.some people forget that hottoding started building stuff like this on a budget.

Do you really believe so ?? Please enlighten me otherwise with real words to show for it. Doing diy work having the right kind of skills it just might be borderline keeping it budget, not having the right fabrication skills means outsourcing the fabrication chassis and body wise. Its two completely different things diy cheap made quality car than a diy well done fabricated car. Cheap made budget cars have consequences. But whatever...

 

[swifteagle]

From my understanding of what he wants from this car is to have a big block talon not a 100k drag/show car.I think one cloud do It for that I mean he says he's going to use the stock rear and a big block Chevy is probably one of the cheapest motors to build.I am not a fan of Chevys but I am not going to cut him off at the knees about ever thing he says. There is a diffrance between helping someone and beating on them for trying to build a budget car.

 

[4g63tc]

^ you really think the stock rear will handle it?

 

[miliman13]

DSM's 4 life: like you, Galileo,Aristotle , Plato, Che guevara, for examples were ridiculed like you. by non-believers like gabytech
because your methods are new, different , abnormal and unconventional . But this is an example of treachery, simply because it is non-conventional. So since a hater so strongly believes against your abilities and capabilities, thus he deems you incapable and un-capable.
Were i support your fringe methods and theories. if you have haters like great theorist,physiologist,and scientist did, than that simply means your breaking the norm. The norm which challenges the argument of contradictory belief.
. Basicly i support you as a fellow DSM'ER and i shun the negative comments of people like gabytech . who only wish to oppose your goals.
* Also feel free to NOT respond to this post. as it will only further prove my point. HATER.

 

[4g63tc]

^ wow...comparing a budget build, with 2 scientists, a philosopher and teacher, then throwing them in with a communist political dissident.

DSM's fo lyfe's build isn't exactly going to change the world, or bring down a government. What it may do if accomplished is put an unsafe car on the road, and when his poorly built cage breaks apart and impales him what does it prove, builds like this take years. My buddy works in a 4x4 shop it takes him weeks to build a cage, it's measured, notched, tacked, then tig welded.

Proof of concept , attention to detail, will eat that budget fast. Even a savy designer could have done the whole thing in solid works.

 

[gabytech]

^ wow...comparing a budget build, with 2 scientists, a philosopher and teacher, then throwing them in with a communist political dissident.

DSM's fo lyfe's build isn't exactly going to change the world, or bring down a government. What it may do if accomplished is put an unsafe car on the road, and when his poorly built cage breaks apart and impales him what does it prove, builds like this take years. My buddy works in a 4x4 shop it takes him weeks to build a cage, it's measured, notched, tacked, then tig welded.

Proof of concept , attention to detail, will eat that budget fast. Even a savy designer could have done the whole thing in solid works.

Atleast some ppl like yourself understand what Ive been trying to say.. Other ppl can't understand it and categorize us like haters, but I bet they have never done any project similar to this kid's RWD build to say it can be done with a low budget and do it the right way... If they really know that I'm hating prove me wrong and say "I built this RWD car with x amount of money and I'm running this ET for 5 years now without any breakage" instead of comparing me with scientist or philosopher... I never said it can't be done, I always since the 1st post said it can be done RIGHT just NOT with a low budget...

BTW, I wouldn't trust that Mexican built RWD DSM with my life...

 

[4g63tc]

If I were to swap a v8 into an eclipse.
Full Tube chassis
why? Engine, transmission, suspension, steering, safety , hell mounting tabs that can be placed anywhere. All this makes the build so much easier.
LSx series motor
Why? It's a shorter motor height wise , and will easily clear the hood line , multiple aftermarket tuning options, and it's a proven, reliable power plant
700r transmission
Why? Ease of integration, and 6 speed...again a proven reliable choice
8.8 IRS rear (ford)
Why? Holds up to much more abuse than a Getrag rear, and has excellent aftermarket support.


It's fun to theorize, but listed above would easily hit the 40-50k range, especially since safety, reliability, and attention to detail are more important than saying " yo! it's got a hemi in it bro"

 

[GPTourer]

If I were to swap a v8 into an eclipse.
Full Tube chassis

Is that even considered a swap anymore? Its just a funny car or whatever, right?

 

[gabytech]

If I were to swap a v8 into an eclipse.
Full Tube chassis
why? Engine, transmission, suspension, steering, safety , hell mounting tabs that can be placed anywhere. All this makes the build so much easier.
LSx series motor
Why? It's a shorter motor height wise , and will easily clear the hood line , multiple aftermarket tuning options, and it's a proven, reliable power plant
700r transmission
Why? Ease of integration, and 6 speed...again a proven reliable choice
8.8 IRS rear (ford)
Why? Holds up to much more abuse than a Getrag rear, and has excellent aftermarket support.


It's fun to theorize, but listed above would easily hit the 40-50k range, especially since safety, reliability, and attention to detail are more important than saying " yo! it's got a hemi in it bro"

Agreed... Building a full tube chassis is way cheaper and easier route than building a stock chassis. What expensier in a tube chassis compared to a stock chassis is having the hp to stay competitive with those big boys... My build is a lot different in so many ways, but still a lot similar chassis/body wise. My build will end up at the 40-50k range, including the engine, suspension, etc but the chassis/body stuff alone will be in the 15-20k range just the chassis/body... The cage will be done by a professional chassis builder and the rest of chassis/body fabrication will be done by my cousin who is a skilled fabricator at a hotrod shop... Its NOT just labor that cost money, materials and parts also cost money... I can take a pen and do a list keeping his build budget but building it the right way using the right parts and it'll be at the 10k range... You can leave the engine performance parts for later down the road, but the chassis and body is best to do it the right way from the get go as not spend unnecessary money redoing stuff down the road when the engine is beefed up... Same applies to every build if you want to do it wisely and not have to worry about redoing stuff...

Is that even considered a swap anymore? Its just a funny car or whatever, right?

A funny car or whatever aint doorslammers, a full tube chassis car is still a doorslammer...

 

[GPTourer]

A funny car or whatever aint doorslammers, a full tube chassis car is still a doorslammer...

Ah, I see. Still very grey IMO. Kind of like those Pro World Challenge SCCA race cars.

 

[gabytech]

It can be done stock chassis, still will be a lot of modifications to the body and chassis needed vs a full tube chassis or a 3/4 which a tube frame will be the main bone of the roll cage and its easier to do the floor and engine bay in a tube chassis than a stock chassis, that's why the fabrication cost chassis/body wise in a tube chassis is easier and a bit cheaper than a stock chassis...

 

[GSLENK]

Reminds me of this thread Spanish "tuner". Enjoy - Mitsubishi Lancer Register Forum

With one difference, the spanish tuner comes off as sarcastic and has money to blow on this (just acting serious) where the OP here is actually serious.

You might be able to build it, it might even make it all the way down the 1/4 mile.
But what is so much better about a RWD v8 dsm compared to a fox body, or f-body? Just to prove someone wrong. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...o6qUwb_35RoJTLU7w&sig2=iUfTmTgXiBHKKrtAQMFY5A

The lashing against people with REAL KNOWLEDGE is disturbing. Its like this community wants to get rid of experts with experience because they are hating. wtf

Keep it real against the haters.

 

[2slow4now]

Reminds me of this thread Spanish "tuner". Enjoy - Mitsubishi Lancer Register Forum

With one difference, the spanish tuner comes off as sarcastic and has money to blow on this (just acting serious) where the OP here is actually serious.

You might be able to build it, it might even make it all the way down the 1/4 mile.

Thanks for the entertainment! Anyone that pulls that link up go directly to page 21 or 22. Custom made clutch. Just start flipping through it. I have learned so much from wasting a couple hours looking at this and being amazed at the next catastrophe of engineering I see.
This makes me feel so much better than just about anything I have ever done to any car no matter how cheese d i cked I did it.

 

[gabytech]

RECARO Presents "Devil's Playground." We head to Lewisville, Texas to meet with the Evolution Dynamics team who drove the infamous Mitsubishi Evo during this year's Pikes Peak International Hill Climb and had one of the most horrific crashes that became a YouTube sensation after both drivers survived and walked away unscathed. Driver Jeremy Foley, co-pilot Yuri Kouznetsov, and Car Builder Kevin Dubois recap the hill climb and explain why it's so important to have the right safety equipment.

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Eventhough its a promotional Recaro safety video, they also walked unharmed thanks to the well fabricated roll cage and chassis, a text book example why you don't amateur diy fab safety features in a race car....