PTE 56 trim, PTE 60-1, FP green, or FP 20g?

[asd_gst]

ok so ive been looking at alot of turbo's i am thinking about which one to get. i was looking at the fp green and fp 20g but i have never seen and flow rates, or any a/r for either of the two turbos. I've heard alot of good about PTE turbo's like the 57 trim or 50 trim, so i looked at them all and i am most interested in the PTE 56 trim
this is what is says on slowboy about the turbo. im dont really know alot about turbo's like what ones are good what ones will get compressor surge becuase i dont think anyone wants that. but what does anyone have to say about the SCM-6152E? at extreme psi they dont have one with that part number they have the scm6152 and 6152r but no 6152e. Also what about the PTE 60-1 with stage 5 turbine wheel? i want a nice turbo for a street car, my brother has a garrett 60-1 with stage 5 wheel and it spools fast and pulls hard he has a 2.0 16v jetta, stock motor. i plan on building my head, getting some 272 cams, 3" turbo back exhaust, dsmlink to tune it all with, punishment racing fmic. so that jsut an idea of kinda where i want to go, i want to have at least 400 hp but i want to know ill have the power there to go past 400 if i want to at least have the turbo that can.


Max. Rated HP 630 Horsepower

Part No. - SCM-6152E

Compressor Wheel Diameter 61mm

Compressor Wheel Inducer - 2.416"

Compressor Wheel Exducer 3.227" (THATS NOT A TYPO!)

Compressor Wheel Trim 56 (THATS NOT A TYPO EITHER!)

Compressor Cover Inlet Size 3

Compressor Cover Outlet Size 2

Bearing System PTE Race 360 Center Section

Turbine Housing A/R Ratio - .63

Turbine Wheel Style - T35 (Stage V)

Turbine wheel Inducer 2.795"

Turbine wheel Exducer 2.437"

Turbine Wheel Trim - 76

here are the links
56 trim
Slowboy Racing, Inc. :: DSM :: Turbos :: PTE :: Mitsu Turbine Housing :: 360 Race Center Section :: PTE 56 Trim
60-1
Slowboy Racing, Inc. :: DSM :: Turbos :: PTE :: Mitsu Turbine Housing :: 360 Race Center Section :: PTE 60-1 With Stage 5 Turbine

 

[talon187]

in all honnesty i have a 57 trim i mean it goes good but im not really impressved with it. i would go with a t3 setup if i were you

 

[Blindsey]

I know a few guys with 57 trims. We have similar setups except I was running a G50 and I was faster.

 

[asd_gst]

in all honnesty i have a 57 trim i mean it goes good but im not really impressved with it. i would go with a t3 setup if i were you

why arent you impressed? and i want to keep the mitsu thought about going to t3

 

[Blindsey]

Check out the borg warner 256 or 258 awesome turbos. If I had the cake right now that would for sure my the route I would go......

 

[asd_gst]

ok ill check them out now, dont have a link do you?

 

[turboglenn]

I also havea a 57 trim and it's a laggy ass turbo, it's a lot slower to build pressure ratio than a 50 trim is and the air flow numbers aren't that far off from each other. I would recomend a 50 trim for the street. but i've also seen 60 trims spool faster than my 57 trim on a 4g63, so i would just strongly urge against a 57 trim (would be great on a v6, but not on an I4)

 

[asd_gst]

why everyone keep saying 57 trim, i said 56 trim i dont want a 57. i've heard good stuff about 57 trim but i just dont want that, i want a 56 or 60-1 or something, i just know that 60-1 is a good turbo, but i would rather have a 56 trim but does anyone have anything to say about the fp turbo's?

 

[T9S1i]

what are your goals? You said 400 hp, but is there a 1/4 mile time you want, trap speed, or spool time?

You can make 400 hp with any of the turbos you posted, but its more about what psi of boost you run, where you will be revving your motor to, where you want full spool by, will you ever want more out of the setup?

There are a lot of options.... I would suggest getting all the supporting mods you are talking about, maxing out whatever turbo you have on the car now (probably a 14b) and then see how much more you actually want out of the car.

 

[asd_gst]

1/4 mile time dont really care, probably wont take the car past8000-8500 rpm. im sure if i get 400 it will be fun but after awhile ill want more out of it, i want to beat my friends car he has 427whp, spool time i dont want something real lagy kinda something to spool kinda fast, thats why im looking at mid size turbo's. and yea i still have 14b but i think its about to die, doesnt hold boost anymore at high rpms. but i was told that the pte turbos would out flow the 20g its cheaper price for a better turbo same with the green, for the price of the fp green i could get a bb pte

edit: there isnt any decent 1/4 tracks around here. i just want a nice car for a street car something that spools fairly fast and has the potential for high horsepower if i ever want to go higher

 

[T is for TURBO]

I also havea a 57 trim and it's a laggy ass turbo, it's a lot slower to build pressure ratio than a 50 trim is and the air flow numbers aren't that far off from each other. I would recomend a 50 trim for the street. but i've also seen 60 trims spool faster than my 57 trim on a 4g63, so i would just strongly urge against a 57 trim (would be great on a v6, but not on an I4)

To laggy even for the FWD? Damn... I was looking into fhe 57 trim because I wanted a little lag to prevent the wheel spin/hop I was getting with the T-28. Hmmm... You have me thinking now... (the 60-1 trim has been on my mind... any thoughts?)
To the OP. I think you should take into consideration that you have FWD like myself and turboglenn... To fast of a spooling turbo = traction issues. ask me I know, and I was hardly putting down any power... (FP Big T-28 @ 15psi on bone stock fuel system)

 

[1fastlaser]

a fp green is a 50 trim, that will on gas put out like 450 ish before you start running out of steam. Good pump gas turbo.

20g, old school proven tech 450ish your running out of steam mid to high 10 sec turbo the 50 trim kinda replaced this bad boy

57 trim ran one, i mean might as well go 50 trim but who cares it dont matter.

60-1 with a stage 5 t3 wheel is a nice combo, old school proven turbo. i running a 60-1 with a t4 p trim turbine wheel, shit is nasty once you get past 25psi, its pretty scary. It spins like a turbo honda launching (welded diff) killing the rev limiter, and 1st gear rolls also. This turbo bolt on style will put you around 500 520 before it runs out of steam. Curt brown went high 9s on an fp "red" which is a 60-1 compressor with a mitsubishi td06h turbine wheel

56 trim (gt35r compressor wheel, stage 5 t3 turbine wheel) nice turbo....basically the new age of the 60-1.... has netted some nasty times, supositly more efficent newer tech then the 60-1, capable of alittle more power

 

[turboglenn]

ok so ive been looking at alot of turbo's i am thinking about which one to get. i was looking at the fp green and fp 20g but i have never seen and flow rates, or any a/r for either of the two turbos. I've heard alot of good about PTE turbo's like the 57 trim or 50 trim, so i looked at them all and i am most interested in the PTE 56 trim

why everyone keep saying 57 trim, i said 56 trim i dont want a 57. i've heard good stuff about 57 trim but i just dont want that, i want a 56 or 60-1 or something, i just know that 60-1 is a good turbo, but i would rather have a 56 trim but does anyone have anything to say about the fp turbo's?

What's in bold is why we are talking about 57's..you mentioned them, those of us who have experience with them spoke up.

 

[turboglenn]

To laggy even for the FWD? Damn... I was looking into fhe 57 trim because I wanted a little lag to prevent the wheel spin/hop I was getting with the T-28. Hmmm... You have me thinking now... (the 60-1 trim has been on my mind... any thoughts?)
To the OP. I think you should take into consideration that you have FWD like myself and turboglenn... To fast of a spooling turbo = traction issues. ask me I know, and I was hardly putting down any power... (FP Big T-28 @ 15psi on bone stock fuel system)

It's lag kinda helped out when i was on an open diff, but now that i have the Quaiffe LSD it's definitely a dog, the thing is pretty much on or off, it surges past 24psi at anything under 100% throttle, comes on at about 4800 (makes full boost at about 4200 in third) and then when it's on it screams. I ran 12.08 at 119mph on 19 psi with it but i was still spinning one slick all through 2nd gear, then when i hit third the bog from the lag was just horrible. If you shifted any less than perfect your run was ruined because it took so long to build pressure again if you missed or short shifted.

I will give it this though; IF you use NLTS this turbo will absolutely rock out hard, I've had some pretty spooky moments out of this turbo when it's on it's peak and making good power. I think it would be about perfect for a V6 car with an auto trans, or hell even a mitsu with an auto trans woul be a hell of a ride!

 

[asd_gst]

yea i think im leaning more for the 56 trim . and yea i know you dont want something to spool tp fast with fwd but i also dont want to be at wot for awhilw before i get any boost, but yea 57 trim out of the picture for sure, 60-1 and 56 trim still thinking about, and would it be better to get a bb 56 or journal bearing? bb would spool fast but it turbo ever breaks will cost alot more to fix

 

[dsmmatt28]

Borg Warner s256 or s258 with ett, do some research.

 

[asd_gst]

is the scm6152 and scm6152e the same thing?
slowboy racing is the only place i saw it have the part number scm6152E.

 

[T9S1i]

i think E means that it has the E cover on the compressor side. Which is 3" inlet, 2.5" outlet. For a turbo that size, i would try to get the SP cover.

Check out
DEJON | Powerhouse
I think they have it for a pretty good price for the journal bearring one with the sp cover.

 

[rhamlinii]

I've ran both (a 60-1 and a 61mm 35r). If you want to run either in a Mitsu-footprint. I'd say get the 60-1 with the stage 5 wheel. Full spool will come a bit late, but it's far more streetable then the other. The mitsu-flange will limit power production anyway. You'll be able to make good power with both, but in a t-4 foot print. I'll go with the 56 trim and I wouldn't care how it spooled below 4500 rpm. The 20g is old school, but they're the funnest turbo you could ever buy. It's like an on an off switch. I sprayed as much as a hundred shot with my 20g, never got to push more spray. It was alot of fun. My 3082 was funner then the 35r I had, and just as fast if not faster. When I had the 35r, I was on and afc hack and a stock 7500 rpm limiter. The 3082 was on dsmlink reving up to 8500 (sometimes). That's my 2 cent's. The last turbo I had on my awd car, was the 20g setup. They may be old, but they just work very well. Torgue feels like a fast car, horsepower wins races. Nitrous mad it the best of bost worlds for me. I hope that helped you out.

 

[asd_gst]

now you just made me think about getting the 20g again but i still like the pte

 

[asd_gst]

i think E means that it has the E cover on the compressor side. Which is 3" inlet, 2.5" outlet. For a turbo that size, i would try to get the SP cover.

Check out
DEJON | Powerhouse
I think they have it for a pretty good price for the journal bearring one with the sp cover.

yea E was the cover the small one, i think .63 A/R, If I get the 56 trim ill get the sp cover

 

[T9S1i]

call it a pte 6152 rather than a 56 trim, 56trim could be many different turbos.

If you do a search for a 6152 you will find a bunch of info

 

[rhamlinii]

call it a pte 6152 rather than a 56 trim, 56trim could be many different turbos.

If you do a search for a 6152 you will find a bunch of info

You could call it that, but if you read the thread. You'll see what were talking about from the jump, and it wouldn't matter.

 

[Car Cannibal]

I went from a PTE57 trim to the PTE6152S and it's night and day, the 61 is a beast when it's all in. I wouldn't consider the 60-1 as the newer wheels are more efficient and spool great. If you are concerned with spooling then stick with the T3 and .63 housing. If you get all those supporting mods the turbo will really sing, otherwise with stock parts it's going to be a dog.

And get it from PTE, I got mine on sale for $750 shipped.

 

[asd_gst]

yea thats what i plan on doing but i like to plan ahead so when time comes all i have to do is order the turbo. im at least getting a head built before i get a bigger turbo. maybe my block built also. but with stock parts your saying the 56 trim or 60-1 will be a dog? and you mean it will be laggy? ive heard people using "being a dog" as laggy and fast