2G Outlander rotors with VR4 calipers?

[BIG boost tech]

I have been doing a little research on this but have not gotten a clear picture of it yet. I know there are two "budget" brake upgrades for a 2g. One using 3000gt vr4 calipers with cobra 13 inch rotors or using the 2g calipers with 05-06 outlander brackets & rotors.

I want to stick with 16 inch wheels. I know the full 3000gt brakes won't fit. What I am wondering is using vr4 calipers with either OEM or outlander rotors. Has anyone tried this?

I know that rotors thickness is a issue (outlander & stock 24mm vr4 30mm) so "if" there is enough piston travel to compensate for this (& never run your pads low) that would work.

What I don't know is with the smaller rotors could I clear the larger vr4 calipers? Or is the width of the caliper the issue?

Thanks in advance for any input!

Lance.

 

[NWHTanK]

Outlander rotors,calipers, and brackets for the front will direct swap their is a thread in here do a search.

 

[BIG boost tech]

Outlander rotors,calipers, and brackets for the front will direct swap their is a thread in here do a search.

I have searched......

Please re-read post, thank you.

 

[NWHTanK]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...bigger-brake-upgrade.html?highlight=outlander

here you go.

 

[BIG boost tech]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...bigger-brake-upgrade.html?highlight=outlander

here you go.

Yes, the post you linked is about installing Outlander mounting brackets & rotors while retaining the stock 2g calipers.

I would like information on using Vr4 calipers with either stock or Outlander rotors.

Thank you again. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding about my first post that lead you to think I had not searched for this already.

 

[NWHTanK]

Found this. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/han...stock-17x6-5-rims.html?highlight=vr4+calipers

 

[NWHTanK]

Np helping the best I can been trying to put a brake combo myself.

 

[agentorange313]

Yes, the post you linked is about installing Outlander mounting brackets & rotors while retaining the stock 2g calipers.

I would like information on using Vr4 calipers with either stock or Outlander rotors.

Thank you again. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding about my first post that lead you to think I had not searched for this already.

heres a lot of info on vr4 brakes and rotors:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/405245-3000-gt-tt-brakes.html

91-93
Rotors - 11.66 inches
94-99
Rotors - 12.36inches

Obviously the small rotor of the vr4 rotor choice would be the best bet to fit in a smaller rim.

Also, a lot has to do where you mount the caliper itself. If you are using vr4 calipers then you need to buy or fabricate brackets. If you are fabricating you can use whatever size rotor your rim will allow.

 

[BIG boost tech]

Found this. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/han...stock-17x6-5-rims.html?highlight=vr4+calipers

Thanks! It seems everyone who upgraded to the VR4 calipers also used much bigger rotors. I what to use a smaller rotor than most people, to keep things looking stock.

If anyone has a good picture of a 2g caliper next to a VR4 caliper or measurements of each, that would be great!

& NWHTanK, No problem at all, hope we can get some good info going!!!

 

[NWHTanK]

Im thinking for myself I migjt go vr4 calipers front and moded crobra rotors.Ive got cobra wheels so clearance isnt a issue.

 

[josh1095]

looks like i have outlander brakes on my dsm , i bought it like that wondering why they were drilled/slotted and looked larger. awesome. i never knew that

 

[BIG boost tech]

I talked to a friend at NAPA, he is getting me a vr4 caliper tomorrow. I'm going to pull one of mine & take it in to compare. With my 3g 16" wheels I have 6+ mm clearance between the outer edge of my OEM calipers & the spokes of the wheel. I will take a look at both calipers from centerline to outside of the calipers & report back.

 

[NWHTanK]

Rgr Rgr

 

[BIG boost tech]

I got this info over on the Link site.
Steel Brake Caliper Bracket DSM 3000GT VR4

I also sent a email to RTM racing,

(my email)
I have been doing a little research on this but have not gotten a clear picture of it yet. I want to stick with 16 inch wheels. I know the full 3000gt brakes won't fit. What I am wondering is using vr4 calipers with either OEM or outlander rotors. I know that rotors thickness is a issue (outlander & stock 24mm vr4 30mm) so "if" there is enough piston travel to compensate for this (& never run your pads low) that would work. What I don't know is with the smaller rotors could I clear the larger vr4 calipers? Thanks in advance for any input! Lance

(there quick response)
Your question is sort of easy to answer but it might not really tell you what you want to know. In theory, you could pair pretty much any caliper with pretty much any rotor. The problem is that a bracket would have to be custom made to accommodate the caliper/rotor pair. The VR4 caliper will NOT bolt up as is to a stock DSM knuckle so some kind of bracket is required. Our VR4 brackets are designed to work with a particular caliper/rotor combination (in our case Cobra rotors/VR4 calipers). Can these brackets work with some other combination? Probably. We know, for example, that the stock VR4 rotors will physically work but the bracket places the caliper in a position such that over half the pad area falls outside the OD of the rotor! They would actually be a downgrade in braking performance. The stock VR4 rotors are something like 12"OD, so any rotor smaller than that would be worse performance-wise.I suppose a short answer to your question is that what you propose may work, but NOT with our brackets. You'd have to look into custom made brackets for your setup.

The Napa got the wrong caliper in, I did get a reading off a stock 2G 2 piston caliper though it is 46mm from the centerline of where the rotor would sit to the outer edge of the caliper. now all i need is the same measurement from a VR4 4 piston caliper & I will know the clearance I will have. I have 10mm from the spokes of my 3g 16" wheel to the OEM 2 piston caliper now.

If anyone has a set of VR4 calipers & can take a measurement from the center of the pad opening to the outer edge of the caliper that would be great!!!

 

[WillRaceForBeer]

What is the goal for your brake setup?? By keeping 16 inch wheels you are limiting yourself to smaller rotors which is a major limiting factor. Running vr4 calipers with small rotors will end in brake fade and warped rotors!

 

[BIG boost tech]

What is the goal for your brake setup?? By keeping 16 inch wheels you are limiting yourself to smaller rotors which is a major limiting factor. Running vr4 calipers with small rotors will end in brake fade and warped rotors!

I'm looking to do two things, add some braking performance by adding the additional gripping pressure of 2 more pistons on each from wheel. I also want to keep rotating mass & unsprung wight to a minimum. Larger rotors do have more mass to disparate heat but there also traveling at a faster speed in relation to smaller rotors. Higher speed equates to a higher heat load. The real difference between the outlander rotors (or stock for that mater) is not extreme. The outlander rotor I plan on using is a 294mm, the OEM rotor from the 1G VR4 is a 296mm. 296mm was good enough for Mitsubishi to install on a performance minded car that was heavier than mine. I take my chances on a 2mm drop in size. Going to a 13 inch Cobra rotor, adding wight in added wheel size, loosing ride comfort do to smaller sidewall & taking away from power by adding wheel diameter just isn't worth the bit of heat resistance a bigger rotor will give me.

 

[cartz-snopro]

go 17's and do the evo brakes and be done with it

 

[BIG boost tech]

I'm trying to keep this on the topic of the parts & fab work needed to install a VR4 4 piston caliper within a stock 16 inch rim. There are many people out there who would like to do a brake upgrade within the size limits of a OEM wheel.

I know of many threads that different brake upgrades are compared & that is the place for opinions of "do this" or "wont work".

Thanks again!
Lance

 

[4g63tc]

I own a 2006 Outlander with 16" wheels, and it came factory with 2 piston calipers, so why not use the Outlander Calipers since they use the same brake line fittings as the 2g's?

I've done the Outlander upgrade, and it's easy peasy. it gives you the option of running the stock GSX calipers, or the Outlander calipers. the only real pieces needed for the swap are the Caliper brackets, and rotors. No cutting, or modification of brake lines, etc required.

Being that you already own a 2g why create a headache? It's the 1g guys that have to mod stuff to get this to work.

 

[99gst214]

I own a 2006 Outlander with 16" wheels, and it came factory with 2 piston calipers, so why not use the Outlander Calipers since they use the same brake line fittings as the 2g's?

I've done the Outlander upgrade, and it's easy peasy. it gives you the option of running the stock GSX calipers, or the Outlander calipers. the only real pieces needed for the swap are the Caliper brackets, and rotors. No cutting, or modification of brake lines, etc required.

Being that you already own a 2g why create a headache? It's the 1g guys that have to mod stuff to get this to work.

I agree that the Outlander upgrade would be the OP's best bet, but what is the offset of the Outlander's wheels? I have also been interested in this upgrade, but wanted to be able to run stock wheels for winter. I am yet to find factual evidence that the stock wheels will clear with this upgrade.

This is a hint for pics from the guys who have done the upgrade!

 

[4g63tc]

I agree that the Outlander upgrade would be the OP's best bet, but what is the offset of the Outlander's wheels? I have also been interested in this upgrade, but wanted to be able to run stock wheels for winter. I am yet to find factual evidence that the stock wheels will clear with this upgrade.

This is a hint for pics from the guys who have done the upgrade!

So, want me to install a stock GSX swirly on my Outlander? sure why not i'll post a pic tomorrow.

BTW stock 16" wheels for an Outlander are 16" x 6" with a 46mm offset

stock 17" wheels are 17" x 6" with a 38mm offset.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the stock 16" 1995 GSX Swirly is a 46mm offset as well

 

[BIG boost tech]

Running 16 inch winter wheels is another reason I want to work out a "smaller" brake upgrade.

 

[99gst214]

So, want me to install a stock GSX swirly on my Outlander? sure why not i'll post a pic tomorrow.

BTW stock 16" wheels for an Outlander are 16" x 6" with a 46mm offset

stock 17" wheels are 17" x 6" with a 38mm offset.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the stock 16" 1995 GSX Swirly is a 46mm offset as well

Im not sure exactly on the stock swirlies as far as offset, but I would love to see a pic if you get the chance!

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

I too would like use a 16" wheel for winter purposes. Even though I try not driving it in the winter, it'll be a back up car, sometimes I need to move it out of the garage or even drive it in nicer but cold winter days.
I'd like to get the vr4 4-pot calipers and smaller than 13" rotors to be able to rock the 16's.
And what is the point of using the outlanders 2pot calipers? Arent they teh same dimension as the 2g 2pot caliper? only bigger rotors?

 

[steve]

I too would like use a 16" wheel for winter purposes. Even though I try not driving it in the winter, it'll be a back up car, sometimes I need to move it out of the garage or even drive it in nicer but cold winter days.
I'd like to get the vr4 4-pot calipers and smaller than 13" rotors to be able to rock the 16's.
And what is the point of using the outlanders 2pot calipers? Arent they teh same dimension as the 2g 2pot caliper? only bigger rotors?

The 3S four piston calipers are pretty wide and creates clearance issues for the spokes of various rims. That's issue #1. The second is how you might mount them on a spindle. You either need a spindle that has mounting points that match the caliper or an adapter bracket. Both determine the rotor sizes that will work. It's difficult to make a bracket much smaller than these no longer available ones. They are designed for the matching 3G 11.62" (295mm) rotor and won't clear the inside of the spokes on most correct offset 16" wheels.

The 13.1" rotor conversions move the caliper even farther out and I can't see that making it more likely to fit with a 16" wheel. Compare to above.

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The Outlander brackets hang the standard Mitsubishi dial piston caliper farther away from the center than the stock DSM/3000GT-NA/Diamante/GRV4 brackets so that you can use the Outlander 296mm rotors. So if you have good 2G dual piston calipers you could just buy the brackets and rotors and reuse the 2G caliper. The dual piston calipers are much narrower and should fit even with the larger rotors under even stock 16" wheels.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/432711-s-3000gt-brakes-2g-dsm.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...973-05-06-outlander-bigger-brake-upgrade.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cus...3000gt-vr4-front-calipers-2g-w-13-rotors.html