No-lift-to-shift ?(DSMLINK) [Merged 3-7]

[4g63telantra]

Anyone with DSMLINK,can someone help me out on what this really means?

 

[arash15]

since when can you have nlts for 2g's?

since tom and dave have created dsmlink.

 

[2gGSX]

Since the MSD units were released.

On topic though, my stock tranny seems to be handling it alright although it isn't used too often.

 

[eclipsegsx1736]

As it's been stated a million times, NLTS is easier on the transmission than regular shifting when used correctly. I use it all the time and it's really spoiled me. I haven't found any disadvantage to using it.

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

same I use it on my daily driver and use it all the time.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

I am the next in line to confess... I use NTLS daily on my daily driver... Shifting at 8500 rpms on a stock trans + a ACT 2600 with ZERO ill effects. IMO it may be easier on the trans because the revs are closer to being matched to the next gear... I may be wrong on this but that is what I think.

Use the NTLS and be done with it

 

[siceclipse]

NLTS is btter for the Trans when shifting properly

If you intentionaly beat the shit out of anything mechanical then it will break down sooner then if you didnt.

 

[Caithness]

NLTS shifts are smoother that non-NLTS shifts for me. The only time I feel I'm putting any excessive strain on the car is when I'm at the drag strip and shifting as fast as I can move my arm.

 

[2gGSX]

I use NTLS daily on my daily driver... Shifting at 8500 rpms on a stock trans + a ACT 2600 with ZERO ill effects.

Well...I wouldn't say ZERO ill effects

 

[turbodsm18]

So, If NLTS is so good on the car, what is the point of buying a badass clutch for besides launching?

 

[daren_p]

So, If NLTS is so good on the car, what is the point of buying a badass clutch for besides launching?

Clutch & NLTS don't really have anything to do with each other. You need an upgraded clutch to hold more power/torque. NLTS just allows you to keep the gas pedal pressed to the floor (WOT) between shifts.

I was just wondering from the guys that use NLTS what are your settings, when using a 7500 rpm shift point? I've never used mine, but I think I may give it a try this year if I can convience my right foot to not get off the gas between shifts

 

[92awddsm]

So, If NLTS is so good on the car, what is the point of buying a badass clutch for besides launching?

Because with a stock clutch, slipping will be even worse with nlts. A mildly modded dsm can slip a clutch with no issues what so ever. Add hard launches and nlts and you will be replacing it in a matter of days.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Clutch & NLTS don't really have anything to do with each other. You need an upgraded clutch to hold more power/torque. NLTS just allows you to keep the gas pedal pressed to the floor (WOT) between shifts.

I was just wondering from the guys that use NLTS what are your settings, when using a 7500 rpm shift point? I've never used mine, but I think I may give it a try this year if I can convience my right foot to not get off the gas between shifts

The biggest thing for me when I started using it was learning to stay off the clutch pedal before I am ready to shift... At first, by habit, I would rest my foot on the clutch pedal as a shift came near... this activated the NTLS feature and the car would start to break up... after a little while I got used to it and now I don't even think about it...

 

[Caithness]

Clutch & NLTS don't really have anything to do with each other. You need an upgraded clutch to hold more power/torque. NLTS just allows you to keep the gas pedal pressed to the floor (WOT) between shifts.

I was just wondering from the guys that use NLTS what are your settings, when using a 7500 rpm shift point? I've never used mine, but I think I may give it a try this year if I can convience my right foot to not get off the gas between shifts

I have mine set at 6000 rpm and I shift at 6200, so I don't think it really matters as long as you shift fairly quickly. I'd say 6k will work for you. You don't actually hit it if you shift quickly enough- it just cuts the spark/fuel/whatever our limiter cuts and lets you shift. If you bounce off of it you're shifting too slowly.

For me it was hard to no-lift at first, especially because my second gear synchro was worn when I first installed the no-lift cable and 1 out of 3 fast shifts into second would bounce out of gear with a horrible crunch. It got much easier to do when I got the new tranny that could take the fast shift, and it is super easy when I'm at the drag strip- between the stutter and the no-lift my foot is on the floor from before the tree drops down to after the traps.

It's easier to start with higher gears. Get used to no-lifting 3-4, the easiest one. Then do 2-3, a little harder because it's a longer throw away from you and up. Then finally add in 1-2.

 

[PRESSURIZED]

BIG Turbo + NLTS = reduction in ET

 

[RMeadows]

It's "recomended" that people with stock tranny's don't use this feature, however time and again I see posts by people on the forums that say it's actually easier on the drivetrain. Trying to figure out who is right here. Can us folks with the stock trans take advantage of this feature or what? Anyone actually use is regularly on the stock trans?

 

[SBstar]

No lift to shift is normally only used on the track...I would say DO NOT do this while daily driving...Unless all our Daddies were wrong people have been shifting while letting off the gas for years so I doubt that not letting off would be "easier on the trans" Now while driving down the track at high speeds the physics are beyond me so I couldn't tell you if its easier or harder on the trans or whether or not you could do it on the stocker...I would say unless you plan on rebuilding soon anyways just shift normally.

 

[eclipsegsx1736]

The only reason people claim NLTS (No Lift To Shift) is bad for a stock transmission is a) they think you mean power shifting as in keeping the gas down between shifts without some kind of clutch activated rev limit system such as DSMlink or MSD or b) they don't have it set up right. It's definitely easier on the tranny. I've missed more gears shifting quickly the conventional way than with NLTS, and NLTS is faster and eliminates turbo lag between shifts.

 

[Boostdclips99]

I might be (probably) wrong but doesn't the TMO stage III mod come with this feature as well...this is straight from their site

Clutch cut, or "stutterbox" - Mitsubishi in their wildest dreams could have never conceived of this one! With the simple addition of a single wire to the clutch switch, the ECU will temporarily lower the rev limiter a preset amount whenever the clutch is depressed. This means the engine speed will automatically decrease when the clutch is used for shifting, allowing you to keep the throttle planted firmly on the floor between shifts. This leads to faster shifts and less turbo spool up time after the shift.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

As stated before, you have to be real careful with resting your foot on the clutch pedal. When i first got dsmlink, i couldnt figure out why my car would "backfire" at 5750rpm's. Then i realized i was resting my foot on the clutch pedal. Kept me from my 12 sec pass.

 

[DSM90AWD]

I might be (probably) wrong but doesn't the TMO stage III mod come with this feature as well...this is straight from their site

True, but TMO has not sold any chips in 5+ years though DSMChips currently does

 

[ziggys95tsi]

i have DSMlink on my 95 talon witha a 6bolt and im wondering how the No Lift To Shift option works? do i jsut enable it hold down the pedal and shift? or lift off the gas and the revs hold at something? please let me know as i am curious and am contemplating trying it this weekend at the track, but it sounds a lil harsh. thanxs and keep

 

[SkURTnDSM92T]

This site has a lot of great info if you take the time to use the search feature. Its up on the Red Navigation bar towards the top of the screen..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195989&highlight=no+lift+to+shift

You can learn a lot here! Just search!

 

[funkbuster]

I am pretty sure you just hold the pedal down, but I have heard that the stock transmissions will not allow the car to go into gear at a higher rpm so you wont be able to shift it.

 

[SkURTnDSM92T]

Please read the thread I posted instead of what you think or may have heard...

It has all been discussed there..

 

[ziggys95tsi]

thanx man i got it now