Nitromethane injection

[silicosys4]

I have been researching about using a 5-7% nitromethane concentration mixed in with water/meth injection, I have so far found a lot of v-8 guys talking about it, and a few references to nitromethane injection in the evo community, but I'm wondering if anyone here has had any experience with nitromethane. So far I'm seeing about a 8-10% gain in power from just the nitromethane additive, and tuning, it could have a lot of potential, but looks like a tuning snafu.

Here are a few of the links that I've been reading up on.

Snow Performance: Nitro Booster? <- The product

Nitromethane Injection - RX7Club.com

^^ RX7 guys talking about nitromethane in rotary's

Nitromethane injection? - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum

^^ really good thread about some of the tuning issues related to nitromethane

MotorSports Racing Fuels - Racing Gas - Nitromethane - Methanol - Racing Lubricants - Additives - Race Fuels

^^some of the physical properties of nitromethane

Glow fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^common uses for nitromethane in preexisting applications.

Water Meth and Nitromethane - Devilsown Methanol Alcohol Water Injection

^^nitromethane discussion on an alcohol-injection forum

The closest thing I've found is a thread by Nate Crisman on ecmlink forums that is pretty insightful, but I guess I'm looking for someone who has been using it and keeping it to themselves, who has made it through at least some of the learning process, with some success.

 

[silicosys4]

Really? People will throw a turbo off of a semi truck onto a dsm before they will add a little bit of nitromethane to the water/alcohol mix?

 

[ed1380]

yes. It's easier, and my holset cost me less then a meth injection setup. And once you buy it, you don't have to fill up anything.

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and according to Dominic Only ####ies run nitromethane

 

[bastarddsm]

I'd bet that some wicked times could be done on a 14b, on alky with about 15-20% mixed in.

 

[silicosys4]

yes. It's easier, and my holset cost me less then a meth injection setup. And once you buy it, you don't have to fill up anything.

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and according to Dominic Only ####ies run nitromethane

, you tune your car according to what fast and furious says?

And the only reason its easier is because you have been able to follow in many other people's footsteps who have come before you.

For everyone who's trying to squeeze the last bit out of a small turbo, I think this could be something to give you the edge, that not everyone knows about.

 

[ed1380]

, you tune your car according to what fast and furious says?

And the only reason its easier is because you have been able to follow in many other people's footsteps who have come before you.

For everyone who's trying to squeeze the last bit out of a small turbo, I think this could be something to give you the edge, that not everyone knows about.

We have to!! Our car is the icon of the movie.

I'm going from a cheaper point of view. Easier would be a 16g with meth injection and no intercooler. Just bolt everything on, wire it up, and drill a hole in the tb elbow for the nozzle. Since I don't want to worry about checking more fluid levels, I went with a big turbo and a huge intercooler. Also can't beat $270 shipped for both.

 

[silicosys4]

Well, if Devils own and Snow performance say "significant gains" can be had with as little as a 3% additive into existing water-meth kits....
Doesn't get much cheaper than a $15 bottle added to your W/M kit.

Thanks tho for chiming in that you personally don't have and probably will never have any info...if that's what it takes to keep this thread alive until someone with some real info weighs in, I'll take it.

 

[ed1380]

It's just rare on these forums. We have enough room to run a bigger turbo. I saw a good thread on the 3kgt forums a while ago. They're limited with room and need meth to take advantage of the small turbos.

 

[silicosys4]

Hmm...which would you rather do? pour a couple of ounces of fluid into your W/M reservior? or hmmmm.... making a bigger turbo fit. Besides, not everyone thinks a 42r is the perfect street turbo. I like spooling by 3500 rpm, and personally am limited by the size of my intercooler, and pump gas, and if adding $5 worth of nitromethane to my car to get a jaw-dropping dyno sheet that you wouldn't believe was possible on my turbo...worth every one of those $

 

[95twinturboawd]

It's just rare on these forums. We have enough room to run a bigger turbo. I saw a good thread on the 3kgt forums a while ago. They're limited with room and need meth to take advantage of the small turbos.

ture but a 3/s doesnt need a hugh turbo/s this is what i run on my 95 vr-4 because theres 2

Dynamic Racing :: - Dynamic Racing DR-800/DR-900 Turbo Kit

 

[forcefed86]

I'd have to call BS on the 30 to 50hp increase. That can't be comparing straight meth injection to nitro meth injection. Probably just comparing with and without the product.

I use to mix nitro into the fuel (and oil) of my go cart. It wasn't a night and day difference. It did make enough of a difference that the Kart associations banned it and test your fuel and oil for it prior to big races now. (My friends and I made yard carts to compete with each other. I wasn't cheating FWIW!)

Nitro is some pretty nasty stuff. With straight meth injection you can make enough power to max out a FP68HTA anyway(how much boost you running anyway?).

IMHO Why try exotic snake oils? Nitro is volatile stuff, and prone to cause detonation. I'd stay away from it.

Also I don't know about boostcoolers product but don't use hobby store nitro in your ALKY kit. The lubricants in it will eat up the alky pump diaphragms.

But if you are that interested try it out and let us know.

 

[ViciousLord]

The lubricants in it will eat up the alky pump diaphragms.

Fact. I went through at least 4 pumps (120 each) in a time frame of 8 months because I was trying different mixtures of meth/nitro with my Evo. In the end stuck with 100% M1 Meth from VP Racing fuels.

 

[mike96]

Nitro is some pretty nasty stuff. With straight meth injection you can make enough power to max out a FP68HTA anyway(how much boost you running anyway?).

IMHO Why try exotic snake oils? Nitro is volatile stuff, and prone to cause detonation. I'd stay away from it.

Why would want to stay away from nitro? I use 20 - 30%in my car all the time. KYO31277B Kyosho Inferno US Sports READYSET
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Oops sorry wrong type of car. My bad.

 

[turboglenn]

are we talking nitromethane or methanol? one is highly explosive with lots of energy the other is a low explosion risk and an alcohol?

I run added nitromethane in small 2 strokes (not nitro RC engines but RC weedeater engines) and the carb mods i have to do to flow enough fuel with that added in is insane, this woudl be not only dangerouse to inject into the manifold (mabe better mixed inot the gasoline though) but just doesn't sound cost effective since a gallon of alky with 25% nitro is about 30 bucks at the hobby store, never mind the fumes from nitro methan burning your eyes out of yoru head..none theless i'd love to see before and after dyno plots on the same car with and without nitro added tothe fuel

 

[silicosys4]

You're thinking too hard. This is not a pioneering adventure. This has been done before, and snow performance offers kits that are so dialed all you do is tune, then add however much of their dilute mixture to your water/meth injection. RX-7 and V-8 guys have been doing this for a long time, read the original post links.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Hmm...which would you rather do? pour a couple of ounces of fluid into your W/M reservior? or hmmmm.... making a bigger turbo fit. Besides, not everyone thinks a 42r is the perfect street turbo. I like spooling by 3500 rpm, and personally am limited by the size of my intercooler, and pump gas, and if adding $5 worth of nitromethane to my car to get a jaw-dropping dyno sheet that you wouldn't believe was possible on my turbo...worth every one of those $

there is no magic bottle of power to give you a "jaw Dropping" dyno sheet... unless you count straight nitrous...
everything else comes from boltons/tuning/fuel. methinol is just used to cool the air going into the intake so you dont detonate allowing more boost threshold.

 

[silicosys4]

there is no magic bottle of power to give you a "jaw Dropping" dyno sheet... unless you count straight nitrous...
everything else comes from boltons/tuning/fuel. methinol is just used to cool the air going into the intake so you dont detonate allowing more boost threshold.

You didn't read a single link did you?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

i read the product description, wasnt about to read pages about it on another forum though. istill think its a sketchy additive and if it works so well where are the dyno numbers.

 

[silicosys4]

i read the product description, wasnt about to read pages about it on another forum though. istill think its a sketchy additive and if it works so well where are the dyno numbers.

Probably in those pages you didn't read on other forums.
Moot point though, obviously not for people who are afraid to try new things, or read about it.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Probably in those pages you didn't read on other forums.
Moot point though, obviously not for people who are afraid to try new things, or read about it.

not trying to blow my 1000 mile 6 bolt... yet

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Well thank you for your eloquent and insightful commentary on what is actually a proven power adder

Just because it is new or foreign to you does not make for controversy. The principal is still the same, whether its a Merlin 540 BBC V8 or our dinky little 4 bangers.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Well thank you for your eloquent and insightful commentary on what is actually a proven power adder

Just because it is new or foreign to you does not make for controversy. The principal is still the same, whether its a Merlin 540 BBC V8 or our dinky little 4 bangers.

i wasnt saying it was bad for different application... i said it was sketchy... and i would be sketch putting it in any engine until proven

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

So in other words you have no idea what you are talking about. Got it.

That's all you had to say.

Nitromethane is most certainly "proven."

 

[AK Maniak]

I will admit that I don't really know anything about what you are asking, but from what I've seen you're probably better off just researching on other forums and just going for it. It does not seem like a path that many or in this case any DSM'ers are going to go down. You most likely won't find any first hand experience on here. Good luck and if you decide to go for it you should definitely post your results.

Didn't see the date *facepalm* sorry for the thread revival. Out of curiosity though, did you ever try it?

 

[crazyquik22023]

I would love to see the results of adding nitromethane. I have no experience with it but I would like to see your results. If you say you are getting 8-10% more power from just the additive then I would be very curious to see what kind of results you can get with tuning and other factors. Post some more information on what you are doing.