LOOK at new Ebay 16g turbo and exhaust setup

[Silver 95 GST]

How does it look?

 

[Silver 95 GST]

UPDATE FROM THE OP:

The ebay turbo is still going strong. I've got about 10,000 miles on the turbo. Boosting about 12 psi. No complaints.

 

[Nati0nalxCrisis]

i had an ebay 16g for 2 weeks, the turbine wheel melted

, Sorry to laugh at your expense but I just couldn't help that, that must have been ridiculous.

 

[GSXSixteenG]

UPDATE FROM THE OP:

The ebay turbo is still going strong. I've got about 10,000 miles on the turbo. Boosting about 12 psi. No complaints.

Why not get a 14b then if your only running 12 psi, that's even still in the t25 efficiency range.

 

[DSMDavid85]

that turbo will be just fine dude!!!! it was mainly a bad batch that gave them a bad name!!! it does spool slower but that really is it and its not that much diff from a real mhi 16g...flows the same and you can make the same power. now given we all know it will not last as long a real 16g becasue of the internal meterail is not as strong.

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

Why not get a 14b then if your only running 12 psi, that's even still in the t25 efficiency range.

Why would he if he already has the turbo installed and has been running it for 10,000 miles?

 

[dsm-onster]

I think he meant, "If you're only running 12psi, you should have gotten a 14b instead." <== With THAT I agree. Slower spool and making no more power than a 14b. My real 16g turbos didn't do any better than a 14b up to about 13-14psi. After 16 psi or so (stock long block/fmic/exhaust) you start to feel the top end come together alot better with the 16g.

As it stands he's still running a risky turbo, but with no benefit to performance at all since he's not getting into the boost enough to merit the upgrade.

 

[945liter]

Alot of haters i ran my USED ebay 16g for over 1k and i also went consistent mid 11s in it WITH A STOCK J PIPE AND SMIC I don't understand these turbo melting storys or falling apart i run 30psi my buddy is also running one on 26psi with no issues.

 

[dsm-onster]

I don't understand these turbo melting storys or falling apart i run 30psi my buddy is also running one on 26psi with no issues.

Is it that you don't understand because it didn't happen with two ebay turbos you came in contact with? Or you don't understand because you didn't see all the scattered pics and videos of failed wheels and center sections?

 

[JusMX141]

Alot of haters i ran my USED ebay 16g for over 1k and i also went consistent mid 11s in it WITH A STOCK J PIPE AND SMIC I don't understand these turbo melting storys or falling apart i run 30psi my buddy is also running one on 26psi with no issues.

For every one person that has success stories like yours there are at least TEN people who can't make one last for shit.

Here's one from a customer's car with less than 5k on it, never saw above 15psi:

YouTube - Blown Junk eBay Chinese Evo III 16G Turbo / Talon Eclipse DSM

^ ^ Probably the worst in/out play I've ever seen on a TD05H-framed turbo.

Now that's a quality piece; I'll take ten of them in hopes that I get one that lasts like yours did.



What's funny is this thing still outlasted some of the PTE turbos I've seen which can't make it past the 1k mile mark before suffering similar thrust failures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxQZCEDI1OI

 

[ulitka]

Last year I got my hands on a used real 16G turbo to upgrade my T25. I bought an ebay SS mandrel bent J-Pipe, ebay oil supply line kit for a 16G turbo, and ebay SS re-circulating O2 housing. I had the following issues:
1. Boost leak test revealed a leak in a weld around the flange of the J-Pipe. Was cheaper to fix it using JB-Weld than going through an exchange process.
2. oil supply line leaked on one end of the compression fitting. Ebay seller refused to exchange it, ended up buying Forced Performance oil line.
3. SS O2 housing had an extremely sharp angle in the elbow section of the housing plus having an outlet of a re-circulating tube facing the outlet of turbine port did not look like a very good design from gas flow perspective (turbulence!!!!). I exchanged it for an ebay SS external dump setup and it was good to me.

 

[945liter]

Is it that you don't understand because it didn't happen with two ebay turbos you came in contact with? Or you don't understand because you didn't see all the scattered pics and videos of failed wheels and center sections?

I've seen more maybe we were ALL lucky, Hopefully my holset does the same because i heard alot of haters and horror storys. I stick to make jaws drop instead brb 700+hp hx40 coming soon.

 

[dsm-onster]

I've seen more maybe we were ALL lucky, Hopefully my holset does the same because i heard alot of haters and horror storys. I stick to make jaws drop instead brb 700+hp hx40 coming soon.

Running 11s with 16g spec wheels and a turbine housing that is technically an upgrade to the convention mhi 16g is not jaw dropping in the least . The good ol' 14b has done such with nearly full weight cars.

What does the bold text mean?

BTW, you've heard 'alot of haters', but how many actually ran a holset that failed? You have NOT heard of 'alot of stories'. Too many were ready to sell them short because of other dsm culture issues. And everyone knows that. For the fake 16g, too many separate cases of failures are out there all over the place. I PERSONALLY have run a chinabay 16g along with tuning and having my hands in other chinabay turbo setups. ALL failed. I've had NO other turbo fail under my watch and I've handled scores of setups from the ground up across legitimate brands and platforms. If the turbo doesn't stay together with flows and power levels over what a 14b has been proven to deliver, then what's the better option (affordably and reliably) for dsmers looking for a bolton turbo in that power range?

 

[92AWDHX40]

Buddy of mine put one on hisi car hit the gas, and well lets just say, his car is down, not many miles on his ebay turbo, after he put on his dsm. s

 

[BLINKY619]

Why not just get an ebay turbo and rebuild it.... With a rebuild kit

 

[JusMX141]

Why not just get an ebay turbo and rebuild it.... With a rebuild kit

Not a good decision, financial-wise.


The main reasons the Chinese 16G's fail:

• Balance. I know these turbos are not CHRA-balanced once assembled because there are no balance grinds present on the compressor locknut. I honestly don't think these turbos come properly balanced when they are built, which is why one out of twenty actually survives (luck). If a turbo dies because it isn't balanced properly, it will die a painful death. Cost of a rebalance: $40-$65.
  
• Inferior seals and journal bearings. The Chinese have to cut corners and use materials that aren't up to par in order to keep the total cost of the turbo somewhere around $5. The spring steel they use for the turbine seals get weak, and the turbos use oil. The metal that is used for journal bearings is too soft and wears quickly, causing shaft play. Cost of upgrading the weak internals: $50-$75.
  
• Poorly designed wastegate system. Sure they use a 34mm flapper....but it's covering a 22mm hole. Wonder how much creep THAT would cause? Cost of porting wastegate hole: Free to $35.

On top of all that you have a turbo that comes with a heavy compressor wheel (due to cheap materials), hindering it's ability to spool as quickly as a MHI Evo III would. There's no fix for that.

Now, take that eBay turbo that sells for around $230 shipped and add $65 (max) to rebalance it, $75 (max) to replace the sh!tty internals, and $35 (max) for some corrective porting....and for just over $400 you'll have a reliable, slow-spooling eBay 16G. Doesn't sound like a bargain anymore, does it?

 

[dsm-onster]

$400!!! I'll just take a gamble that mine will stay together!

 

[945liter]

Running 11s with 16g spec wheels and a turbine housing that is technically an upgrade to the convention mhi 16g is not jaw dropping in the least . The good ol' 14b has done such with nearly full weight cars.

Go for it show you can do it 11.5 hitting the brakes first time out on street tires also maybe you are not well informed but my only mods are Pump/injectors e85/exhaust /ebay turbo.

The rest is all stock including the SMIC/J pipe etc thats a tired 198k mile motor/tranny/chassis

Don't Worry when i report my HX numbers they wont be below average.

 

[dsm-onster]

And most everyone elses fail. . . . That's the issue. The performance is not. I'm sure you will have successes with other turbos. Most do with this platform. Thats the nature of this automobile line and why most have chosen it. Still, the 14b has been clearly pushed to higher shaft speeds and survived, where the ebay 16g knockoff has failed, over, and over, and over again. Good job proving they copied the wheel specs very well The rest of the community has proven their failure on the QC end.

 

[bsbllfit7]

it seems to me that everyone that gets one of these has good luck with one of them and we dont hear from the people who had one fail and didnt get a replacement under warranty. there has been drastic changes in the quality of these turbos over the years. Everyone i know has had luck with them, me myself i went with the real deal. But if it ever blew out on me i would probably replace it with an ebay one. that is tell i finish the hx35 build

 

[pj91gsx]

turbos dont have a break-in period. worst come to worse, you can buy a set of oem wheels and rebuild kit, and put the internals in the ebay 16g. The disadvantage of some ebay turbos is that the turbine shafts are not heat treated, not sure if its true for the ebay 16gs, but most likely it is.

 

[JusMX141]

worst come to worse, you can buy a set of oem wheels and rebuild kit, and put the internals in the ebay 16g.

You can't do that with 99% of the Chinese 16G's out there...they have a totally different shaft diameter.

You can only swap MHI shafts and wheels into the GT Concepts Evo III GT and some of the very early Chinese 16G's distributed by XS Power; most of these turbos suffered from turbine breakage and are dead by now.

 

[dsm-onster]

it seems to me that everyone that gets one of these has good luck with one of them and we dont hear from the people who had one fail and didnt get a replacement under warranty.

Just like we don't hear of all the good results with quality brands and hear the horror stories of those particular units that fail.

There's very little "Noise" of recent users of knock off turbochargers where the user has them hold together after being pushed in the range that the authentic unit consistantly has succeeded. Consequently I've said, why get a turbo that has consistantly eat itself when being pushed beyond the stock 14b flow potential. You're better off with the faster spooing, longer lasting 14b.

 

[mattylt1]

it seems like you guys on this site know your stuff which is nice to know. the set up looks ok. i was looking at one of these turbo kits and after reading this i think im going to pass thanks for the info

 

[JusMX141]

Dave and I found out the hard way about Chinese turbochargers, but it was a gamble we were willing to take:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/299821-ebay-knockoff-gt35r-testing.html

That baby lasted less than 400 miles. What's funny is $385 seemed like such a bargain at the time for what we thought we were purchasing....now Dave's running 10's on a HX40 that cost $435 total, including the Bullseye turbine housing.

 

[bsbllfit7]

holsets are the way to go!