just installed EVO3 GT turbo, here's a tip...

[Steve93Talon]

i'm curious as to why people are buying the Evo3 16G GT (chinese built) turbo for $560 instead of buying an MHI Evo3 16g for $569. (there are several reputable shops that sell it between $570-600). I guess i just don't understand the need to save $9-30 on an already expensive item.

Because some of us "get it" and some of us simply never will

 

[george5366]

ive had the GT on for a while now, and its been going good, ive had it for about 4 months i think and ran it hard, and everything is perfectly fine.

 

[92awddsm]

Does this turbo share the same compressor wheel as the MHI Evo 3? Just curious to know.

No it doesnt. It is a real close copy but not the same.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Does this turbo share the same compressor wheel as the MHI Evo 3? Just curious to know.

Nope. The blades are thicker, which means less airflow.

 

[99gst_racer]

Nope. The blades are thicker, which means less airflow.

Yes, but the question I'm waiting to find an answer to is "Is it enough to make a real world difference?"
Hopefully somebody can soon answer that for us....

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

My experience with the Evo III GT Turbo:

The one thing that I can say that was a plus in my experience with this Evo III GT turbo & TurboChargers.com is that they do apparently stand behind their products enough to offer a $150 dollar "Reward" for producing a defective Evo III GT turbo...

Lets just say that the check that you will be receiving will be drafted on"David Rafes Inc." company checks. -As for the specific cause of failure, I will never know... I was never told. I can say that it must have been defective right out of the box, as soon as it started building boost, the compressor wheel began to make contact with the compressor housing.

TurboChargers.com ended up replacing the center section and sent me back the same hot and cold side housings after they cleaned them up a bit.

Having personally performed many turbo installations in the past, I am quite aware of the procedure(s)... Priming it with fresh oil, test fitting the lower oil return line, replacing the copper crush washers, etc, etc... IMO, I would not get one of these turbos unless you'd like to be paid $150 for installing, removing, and re-installing it again.

On another note, my MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries) TD-O5H Evo 3 has served me well for well over 65k now without any problems. I highly recommend it over anything else that comes with the TD-05 compressor housing.

 

[gsxrtalon]

Just read your post and I have a 2g tsi fwd. I recently bought a t28 off of ebay,however, since I am sorta new to the dsm community and after noticeing not much more power after I installed it I was looking for answers why my car isnt running quicker with the t28 instead of stock t-to small. Well I checked the turbo intake inlet size(thickness) and I got ripped for 400$. Now Im looking to sell that turbo and upgrade to the Evo3 ported/clipped 16g gt. Same one on ebay. Just wondering if the bolts where the only thing that gave you problems and what upgrades have you done to your fuel system(i.e. injectors, pump, afpr)

thanks ahead of time for the answers and reply

 

[driver70]

Just read your post and I have a 2g tsi fwd. I recently bought a t28 off of ebay,however, since I am sorta new to the dsm community and after noticeing not much more power after I installed it I was looking for answers why my car isnt running quicker with the t28 instead of stock t-to small. Well I checked the turbo intake inlet size(thickness) and I got ripped for 400$. Now Im looking to sell that turbo and upgrade to the Evo3 ported/clipped 16g gt. Same one on ebay. Just wondering if the bolts where the only thing that gave you problems and what upgrades have you done to your fuel system(i.e. injectors, pump, afpr)

thanks ahead of time for the answers and reply

So did you end up with a turbo that wasn't a T28??? If you upsized to a true T28 I'd think that all you'd need to do is a little tuning and you could get some power out of it. Although don't take my word for it as I have no 2g experience.

With the GT turbo the bolts were the only problem I had installing. I didn't have any fuel upgrades when I first installed it which is why I set my boost controller to the lowest setting of 9 lbs to avoid knock. I used my datalogger to watch for knock as I slowly turned up the boost. I maybe got it up to 11 lbs before it started knocking, but after a few days the fuel trims made up for the knock and I was able to push out another pound of boost for a total of 12 lbs. The only fuel upgrade I've done thus far is a fuel pump rewire which allowed me to push 13 lbs with 4-9 counts of knock close to redline. I've since turned it back down to 12 because my fuel trims are maxed and I don't want to run out of fuel and blow up my engine. Of course, if I would just fix my boost/vacuum leak I might be able to up the boost again but I'm starting to get lazy in the hot days of summer.

I've got EVO VIII injectors waiting to be installed along with a 190. I'll do the 190 when I get the motivation to, but I won't install the injectors without fuel control. No inbetweens in the meantime... I'm going straight DSMLink- just need the cool Grand before I can get all of the parts.

Good luck with whatever turbo you decide to run with.

Rommel

 

[Imp Pwr Online]

current updates on GT owners? Still running well?

Anyone know if the XS Power EVOIII is the identical turbo just stamped with XS Power on the comp housing? It looks to be pretty good quality.

 

[LaN-]

I'm not sure if you guys have already seen this but here is some Info bout the GT (not to impressed)

http://www.slowboyracing.com/evo3vsgt.htm

 

[Imp Pwr Online]

I'm not sure if you guys have already seen this but here is some Info bout the GT (not to impressed)

http://www.slowboyracing.com/evo3vsgt.htm

yeah, notice they don't sell it? they are a competitor so I call bs. also it's 100% speculation with zero fact to back it up. Others that are in the know have torn sbr's "article" up pretty bad. Pointing out all the false statements.

At first glance, it is easy to see a coloration difference between the two turbine wheels. We fear the Chinese version uses an inferior stainless in its composition (vs. inconel), but it will take time for the metallurgist to confirm our claims. The gram weight of the EVO III GT is 185 grams, and the MHI is 187 grams.

We Fear? total speculation and an attempt to put "Fear" in potential buyers.

 

[ShapeGSX]

current updates on GT owners? Still running well?

Anyone know if the XS Power EVOIII is the identical turbo just stamped with XS Power on the comp housing? It looks to be pretty good quality.

I bet the XS Power "16G" is a cheap Chinese knockoff of the GT.

Buy the real thing, and no, that isn't the "GT".

 

[Imp Pwr Online]

I bet the XS Power "16G" is a cheap Chinese knockoff of the GT.

Buy the real thing, and no, that isn't the "GT".

anyone have first hand exp with the xspower evo? i have seen one in person and it looks well built.

 

[LaN-]

ok i'll give you that one i just thought i would bring it to everyones attention

only way we will really tell is from ppl using it, so far i havent seen or heard to many ppl yelling and screaming about this turbo

Time will Tell

 

[ShapeGSX]

Go onto Ebay and search for 16G. Then laugh hysterically when you see Turbochargersdotcom complaining about other companies on Ebay copying their copy of the Evo III.

I'm sorry, that is just priceless. Talk about being beaten at your own game. Unfortunately, the door is wide open for this crap. Buyer beware.

 

[Imp Pwr Online]

Go onto Ebay and search for 16G. Then laugh hysterically when you see Turbochargersdotcom complaining about other companies on Ebay copying their copy of the Evo III.

I'm sorry, that is just priceless. Talk about being beaten at your own game. Unfortunately, the door is wide open for this crap. Buyer beware.

now that is funny

 

[JohnnyC]

When I posted that SBR link it got deleted .

 

[92awddsm]

Go onto Ebay and search for 16G. Then laugh hysterically when you see Turbochargersdotcom complaining about other companies on Ebay copying their copy of the Evo III.

I'm sorry, that is just priceless. Talk about being beaten at your own game. Unfortunately, the door is wide open for this crap. Buyer beware.

If I were you, I wouldnt knock turbochargers.com because they were around long before you were ever a member here and probably before you ever owned a dsm. Im sure they did their research before the added the evo gt to their lineup.

As for the xs power, I would stay away from it. Of course its a copy of a copy. Then again, a bullseye is a copy to some extent to a garret. Maybe even a copy of a copy. And so is agp, pte, turbonetics, slowboy, etc. Im not against copying something good and improving along the process. It just needs to be a reliable copy and thje gt seems good so far. But the xs turbo has a long list of problems so even a new addition would throw a red flag with me.

If all you want to do is knock the gt 3, fine, if it failed on you. But if you have no experience with it, you dont have any reason to knock it. either try it or shut the fuc* up about it. I am tired of everyone with little or no experience with a selection of turbos trying to say it is junk.

 

[Stapl3]

Could have made that a FP 18g for less than 500 dollars.

 

[boostedinaz]

OK people we have already gone round and round with this turbo. I guess asking you guys to read the sticky threads is to hard. Just talk about the turbo and not the company or the surrounding controversy. Got it?

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179862

 

[Imp Pwr Online]

does anyone know if the XSpower EVOIII is a copy of the GT or just the GT relabled but made by the same company and in the same way.

I have seen one close up and it seems well built and from what I see in pics, identical to the GT except XSpower is cast in both the turbine and comp housings (suggesting they are having lots of these made since the comp and turbine housings have thier name cast into them)

the comp cover has an IDENTICAL protruding seam down the middle as the 14b covers I have.

 

[driver70]

Could have made that a FP 18g for less than 500 dollars.

Seems like that would have been a great alternative! Cheap, yet still an upgrade to the ol' 14b.

The GT is still holding up well after another 3,000 miles. As a matter of fact I've just realized more Free power simply by changing oil weights from Mobil1 10w-30 to 5w-30... it has dramatically reduced my Phantom Knock under 3k and is TONS more responsive; feels like someone lifted a huge load off. I also top it off every 1500-2000 miles with Mobil1 0w-40 and the combination has practically gotten rid of my lifter tick, and dramatically improved oil pressure while cruising on the highway. On top of all that, it doesn't consume as much oil, and doesn't pop out my dipstick any more!!! Even after putting in a new dipstick, pcv valve, and pcv hose it would still push out the dipstick 1" with 10w-30 pretty much every time I've drove the car! The dipstick hasn't moved since changing over to the new oil weight.

Anyways, the turbo is still running well. Just need tuning capabilities to reach its full potential.

Cheers,
Rommel

 

[ShapeGSX]

If I were you, I wouldnt knock turbochargers.com because they were around long before you were ever a member here and probably before you ever owned a dsm. Im sure they did their research before the added the evo gt to their lineup.

I've never been particularly impressed with the company. Even back when they were called Texas Rebuild. According to their web site, they have supposedly been around for 25 years. Longevity doesn't automatically make it a great company. AOL's been around for a long time, too.

 

[Tom N]

Let me see one of these cheap knock off turbos produce 400hp and 11 sec timeslips.
As for reliable I cant comment.
I would be interested to hear how many people with these things run 25lbs of boost with these them on a regular basis.
Do any of you guys with these knock offs have a way to log how much airflow you are getting with them.

 

[omegis13]

Hmmmm....I just noticed something in reading SBR's analysis of the Evo 3 GT. They quoted both the turbine and compressor wheels as being lighter and thicker. They also made it sound like it was a bad thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't lighter compressor and turbine wheels allow the turbo to spool up faster as there would be less rotating mass (even if it was just ever so slightly)? I'm not sure about the thicker part, but if that does not change air flow, exhaust flow, etc. for the worse, wouldn't the thicker material possibly mean added durability? I think the biggest question they have opened up is what the heck kind of alloy did they use to make it? But if the Evo 3 GT can behave like an MHI unit, possibly be just as/more durable (depends on the alloy), possibly spool up faster, and be produced cheaper, could it be possible that the Chinese actually improved on the MHI unit? In point, many of the differences in the two turbos that MHI brought up as negative points could very well be improvements. I think it really all depends on the characteristics of the alloys that they used to produce the components. And until someone sends the parts off to a metalurgist, and someone can tell if the blades being thicker is really a bad thing, I think that the differences should be looked at as just that; differences; not good, not bad. I'm no engineer (yet), so I'm not going to say for certain that the differences they pointed out are good, I'm just saying that I feel there might be an upside to them and a good reason they exist other than to produce a cheap turbo.

Greg Heineken

PS, The Chinese are not the only people to take previously manufactured designs and possibly improve on them. Take the SBR cast exhaust manifold for example; It is based on the Evo III exhaust casting. It has differences, but SBR markets them as improvements. I don't think it would be hard for a company to market the differences in the two turbos as "improvements" either.