1G Just a grinding noise but won't start

[Blkapache01]

Hey folks,
So, I hope everyone is ok during this pandemic. Working from home is now giving me more time to do projects around d the house. I tried to upload a video but the file was too big, so let me describe it:
Eagle Talon was sitting up a few yrs in garage. Put in new clutch, new timing belt, water pump, tensioner she fired up after. I flushed the block, took her on the interstate a couple times and and on the way back, she cut off. Started back after a few minutes and she cooked out again but this time, engine smoking. Towed it home, put in a new head gasket and piston rings, just in case and cleaned the rust in gas tank and replaces with new gas and new fuel filter. Now when I start, she just makes a grinding noise and no start. New started and tested alternator passed 3 times. I can rotate engine by hand so it's not seized. I'm in need of help.
Stats: 91 Talon, 2.0, manual, non-turbo, all stock.

 

[AWD-Tony]

A video would help. Possible wrong starter???

 

[Blkapache01]

Yeah, I tried to upload it but the file was too big according to the DSM site. I got 2 new starters from Rockauto and they are doing the same thing. Both of them are for manual transmissions but I know sometimes their parts are "hit or miss"

 

[AWD-Tony]

Less than 20 second video seems to work for me. Did you compare the starter to your old one?

 

[Blkapache01]

Ok, I compressed the file on my phone so hope this helps. Yes, I put them aide by side and they're identical. Same Bendix as well, so it's engaging the flywheel.

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[AWD-Tony]

Audio ins't the best in that video. Timing marks are all lined up?

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Did you BLEED your lifters so they weren't pumped up? Do a compression test and make sure you don't have bent valves. I can hear the noise, is the motor rotating or not?

 

[Blkapache01]

Audio ins't the best in that video. Timing marks are all lined up?

Timing marks are all set.

 

[Blkapache01]

Did you BLEED your lifters so they weren't pumped up? Do a compression test and make sure you don't have bent valves. I can hear the noise, is the motor rotating or not?

Not that I'm aware of. I was working with the mechanic who did mostly everything, so I'm not sure if he bled them or not.
Yeah, the motor is rotating. I took the timing cover off and watched it rotate and I can also turn it by hand on the balancer.

 

[Harrison Scholten]

Check the starter, if it got stuck open while driving then it's probably not good anymore

 

[Harrison Scholten]

Check the starter, if it got stuck open while driving then it's probably not good anymore

I should also ask, when cranking is the engine actually turning over

 

[Blkapache01]

I should also ask, when cranking is the engine actually turning over

Yes, when I try to start it, the engine is rotating.

 

[pat white]

almost sounds like no compression ....

 

[Harrison Scholten]

Yes, when I try to start it, the engine is rotating.

Well the big problem is the grinding, it's kind of hard to hear in the video. If you took the valve cover off it should be easy to see if any valves are bent as the wont come all the way up. That being said the chatter or grinding could be because the oil system hasn't primed itself yet since being opened up.

 

[Harrison Scholten]

As for the no start, check the cam angle sensor, it may have to be adjusted a little before you get it to start as long as it hasn't accidentally been flipped 180'

 

[Blkapache01]

Did you BLEED your lifters so they weren't pumped up? Do a compression test and make sure you don't have bent valves. I can hear the noise, is the motor rotating or not?

I'm going to take the rockers out and bleed them myself just to make sure.

 

[Blkapache01]

Well the big problem is the grinding, it's kind of hard to hear in the video. If you took the valve cover off it should be easy to see if any valves are bent as the wont come all the way up. That being said the chatter or grinding could be because the oil system hasn't primed itself yet since being opened up.

Thanks, I'm going to take off the valve cover and check. Also, I'm going to bleed the valves myself to personally make sure.

 

[Blkapache01]

almost sounds like no compression ....

Thanks. I'm gonna check again.

 

[Harrison Scholten]

I'm going to take the rockers out and bleed them myself just to make sure.

When you bleed the valve lash adjusters DO NOT put paper towel or rags on the ends, just go very slowly, the rags can get stuck inside and plug up the hole.

 

[Evolving_sti]

Post the video on YouTube and link it here so its better quality.

 

[Blkapache01]

Post the video on YouTube and link it here so its better quality.

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[AWD-Tony]

Sounds like no compression to me

 

[Blkapache01]

Thanks guys for all the replies. I took off the valve cover last night and took out all the HLA's in the head. Just as suspected, these things were stiff as steel. I'm gonna bleed them today and give you an update after I finish and reinstall them. I saw a suggestion that after bleeding them, you should soak them a few hours before putting them back in. Any suggestions to this?

 

[Blkapache01]

When you bleed the valve lash adjusters DO NOT put paper towel or rags on the ends, just go very slowly, the rags can get stuck inside and plug up the hole.

Thanks for the tip. I see youtube vids of guys doing that exact same thing.

 

[AWD-Tony]

They’re full of oil so just bleed, install and prime the engine before starting it.