gsx vs. gst on the highway

[Spdrcr7882]

I am sure this has been discussed before, but i couldn't find it. If a gsx and a gs-t raced on the highway and they weighed the same and had the same hp to the wheels, would there be a winner. I know people are always sayin that awd sux on the highway, but horsepower is horsepower, regardless of the number of wheels it is being put to. There is the matter of gears though, which might give the gs-t the advantage. Or would it?
THanx
Justin

 

[Mangold]

This is simple... IF you had the same exact weight (GSX is 350+lbs stock) and IF they had the exact same horsepower... lets take a nice round number like ohhh 210hp (stock )... the increased driveterrain loss on the GSX would give it less WHEEL horsepower... the GS-T would slowly pull away until they hit top speed... which GS-T is higher than GSX because of gear ratios.


Real world senario... i have a GSX we estimate about 300hp (flywheel) my friend has a GS-T with 270 hp (flywheel)... I eat his lunch up to 130 or so in every way... especially from a stop(AWD launch is great!) BUT ... he always catches me after 130 and pulls away... even though he is probably heavier (i have lots o weight redution) and even though he has less power ... driveterain loss becomes somewhat apparent

 

[Mugsy]

ok so basically whats being asked is, would a slighty modded awd be able to stay with a stock gst?

 

[kpt4321]

Originally posted by Mangold
Real world senario... i have a GSX with about 300hp my friend has a GS-T with we estimate 270 hp... I eat his lunch up to 130 or so in every way... especially from a stop(AWD launch is great!) BUT ... he always catches me after 130 and pulls away... even though he is probably heavier (i have lots o weight redution) and even though he has less power ... driveterain loss becomes somewhat apparent

I doubt you lost enough weight to get down to his level.

You also don't know what kind of power the two cars are making.

 

[paranoidTSi]

A slightly modded GSX should beat a stock GST.

I think it comes down to driver skill, you can STILL use traction to your advantage (i.e. hold the clutch down in third, rev it high and dump it) though it is hard on the transmission thats something a GST couldn't do with traction problems.

The GST does have a better gear ratio so it will be better top end than a GSX.

 

[Mangold]

Originally posted by kpt4321
I doubt you lost enough weight to get down to his level.

You also don't know what kind of power the two cars are making.

He has his dyno sheet so I certainly know his power (239.65 hp and 242.3 ft/lb torque)... We dont have access to an AWD dyno so... based on my pull in second and third gear and mods and tuning i definatley have a few more ponies than he does bro

My car at the track with me and half a tank weighed in at 2877... and were still findin more weight to pull... his car should be just below 3000 because he has a much heavier sterio and some other goodies (stock a 96 GST curb weight is 2899) he has not weighed it though.

In any case facts still stand... im FASTER at LOW end, hes faster at high speed... any way you look at it, my AWD driverterain loss and lower gear ration causes me to lag at top speed... reguardless of weight and power

 

[2gGSX]

in case it hasnt been stated already, i believe AWD drivetrain loss becomes less apparent at higher power levels (eg: 500ish)

 

[TurboSpoolinIns]

Originally posted by RiceKiller_TSi
And AWD's break drive train parts in the process... this could go on and on and on and on and on...

Don't wanna bring it up but....
OT:
And don't you wish you could pull 1.7 60's on street tires? :laugh:

 

[Mangold]

Originally posted by RiceKiller_TSi
And AWD's break drive train parts in the process... this could go on and on and on and on and on...

My 95 Talon AWD has 147,000 miles on it, check my mods list... ive done many many 150 mph pulls and NOTHING on my drivertrain has broke

And yes 1.7 60s rock - loads of fun u should try one some time

 

[GoSpeedRacerGo]

Remember the GSX doesn't just have more mass - it has more rotating mass.

 

[Slappster]

Originally posted by RiceKiller_TSi
If you are going to make that kind of statement then you may as well say that a 1000hp Supra will have problems hooking up at 55.

You sir are a dumbass. Supra's with 800+ horsepower have trouble hooking up at 55 on street tires.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Originally posted by Slappster
You sir are a dumbass. Supra's with 800+ horsepower have trouble hooking up at 55 on street tires.

Ok Beavis...
What the flying fu(k are you talking about? Do you even know? The point was, Einstein that the car is still fast even though it has a loss of traction due to high horsepower. Hence the Supra statement. Its not going to have 100% traction loss for a mile ok. Now are you saying an AWD dsm will take a Supra on the hwy too? stfu and get off the bandwagon.

You'd probably kill yourself if you got beat by a FWD wouldnt you? :laugh:

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Originally posted by TurboSpoolinIns
Don't wanna bring it up but....
OT:
And don't you wish you could pull 1.7 60's on street tires? :laugh:

Uh... no, not really. Have fun.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Originally posted by Mangold
My 95 Talon AWD has 147,000 miles on it, check my mods list... ive done many many 150 mph pulls and NOTHING on my drivertrain has broke

Thats great, you are the exception... so far.

 

[Mangold]

Originally posted by RiceKiller_TSi
Ok Beavis...
What the flying fu(k are you talking about? Do you even know? The point was, Einstein that the car is still fast even though it has a loss of traction due to high horsepower. Hence the Supra statement. Its not going to have 100% traction loss for a mile ok. Now are you saying an AWD dsm will take a Supra on the hwy too? stfu and get off the bandwagon.

You'd probably kill yourself if you got beat by a FWD wouldnt you? :laugh:

Haha, we have some upset ppl. I would like to make this comment, another real world situation for you guys (real life is more applicable than senario ne way)

Another friend in my car club has a 450+hp supra... I can beat him off the line BUT BARELY with my little 300 hp DSM... he then proceeds to whope my a$$ from second gear on... ne way thats that

I would like to say this tho... if somehow us DSM tuners got our cars to what 1000hp like a supra, GSX would then rule... with that many ponies ANY car would have traction problems... nice thing is that AWDs shouldnt have traction problems past first gear even with that much power... BUT now im just dreamin so... have fun debating

truth is gsx faster low end... gst faster top end

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Originally posted by Mangold
Haha, we have some upset ppl.

Who me? Im not upset. It just kinda irks me when people call names instead of asking questions when they dont even comprehend what they just read.

And yeah, basically you summed it up... again.

 

[GetEvryGear]

Originally posted by DSMNightmare
Most FWDs have a speed limiter of 130-135mph give or take.

It's 140, trust us FWD guys. We always have to know what our car can do Just wish it wasn't limited like the GSX

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Originally posted by GetEvryGear
It's 140, trust us FWD guys. We always have to know what our car can do Just wish it wasn't limited like the GSX

Yeah, and us 1g guys dont have a limit. No Limit just like Master P. **bling!**

 

[EvolvingGST]

Call me a noob but can we take off all limits out of our GSTs?

 

[n0va91TSI]

At a stoplight A GSX would win

With a rolling start GST would win


but serious who cares, AWD is a beautifal thing. I'd never get a 2wd car after experiencing the feeling of AWD. Its like driving a fast and powerful tank. It just sticks to the road and handles turns wonderfully.

sorry FWD guys, no offence

 

[4geze63]

You sonofabitch, ahha jk I hereby call it a truce between awd/fwd guys,
each have their strenghts and weaknesses.

Instead of turning on eachother, lets team up and make fun of the DL guys

 

[heavyD]

Originally posted by 4geze63
You sonofabitch, ahha jk I hereby call it a truce between awd/fwd guys,
each have their strenghts and weaknesses.

Instead of turning on eachother, lets team up and make fun of the DL guys

I have old Car & Driver, Road & Track, & Motor Trend and the 2G GST's were 300+ lbs lighter than a fully loaded 1995 GSX (is there such thing as a GSX which isn't fully loaded?) which is HUGE. Also stock GST's tested a fair bit quicker 0-60 & 1/4 mile. Before anyone flames me we all know with mods the GSX will always beat the GST in a drag race. Also Motortrend said that their 1995 eclipse didn't have the speed limiter and they hit 147 whereas Road & Track hit 140 with the GSX.

This thread is really irrelevant as who races their cars on the Highway? GSX is the way to go if you have a choice even if the GST is faster from a roll which it is.

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by RiceKiller_TSi
Gimme a break, FWD's dont have that much trouble hooking up, especially at 55mph. At that speed Im sure that some nice meaty tires would get the job done with a LSD. If you are going to make that kind of statement then you may as well say that a 1000hp Supra will have problems hooking up at 55. You AWD guys cant stand having a disadvantage on any front. You think AWD is faster off the line AND in the long haul now. I think AWD rules from stop light to stop light but not highway.

FWD will beat an AWD on the highway.

 

[clownface]

Hey all just thought i would put in my 2 cents.

stock-stock mod for mod FWD wins from a fast roll

stock-stock mod for mod AWD wins from a stop.

anyone even care that AWD handles way better then FWD? AWD is better for autoX and road racing and stuff like that, FWD=mad understeer. Im not saying AWD dosnt suffer from some understeer, but its no where near as bad as FWD.

the driveline loss difference between a FWD car and a AWD arnt more then a few percents, lets say 4%.

 

[Powers_Vang]

I say a GSR would win... Wait, is this not a Honda forum? Opps. hehehe....

I don't know about you FWD guys but my Spyder is FWD & I pray for a AWD conversion everyday. hehehe.... For 1/4 runs of course.

 

[GetEvryGear]

Originally posted by Powers_Vang
I say a GSR would win... Wait, is this not a Honda forum? Opps. hehehe....

I don't know about you FWD guys but my Spyder is FWD & I pray for a AWD conversion everyday. hehehe.... For 1/4 runs of course.

Depends on what you like. I'm more geared towards highway, I could care less about 1/4 mile times