FPBig28 vs. AGP T28

[spooled_u]

Kinda hard to post a time off a turbo that JUST recently came out, don'tcha think??

 

[SPEEDY]

Originally posted by Violater101
I don't understand why everyone all of the sudden is down on FP. I'm sure AGP does good work, but its like now they are crap and AGP is the stuff. I don't understand it. I had the Big28 and it kicked major butt. I beat modded ls1's and stangs all the time. I never had a problem holding 16 lbs of boost for the first few months I had it. Then I let that thing breathe and ran it at 19lbs all the time.

On a side note, I think its great for the dsm community to have yet another maker of turbo's.

I'm definately not down on FP! I love my FP Big28, and there customer service. There customer service is better if not equal to RRE's service. If I ever decide to go bigger I will probably go with the FP green. I'm not dissing AGP at all either. There turbo's look good also, and I have heard great things about them as well. You've heard that old saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it! That's the way I feel about FP. Awesome people to do business with IMHO!!!

 

[98TsiAWD]

Originally posted by Jaybone
any supoporting mods that have to be done with the AGP T28?? (stock fuel system, IC)

So if not, if you added a FMIC, 550's and a fuel pump with the AGP would you get more power, or would it be a over kill?

You should have a 190lph fuel pump and 550 injectors to run either turbo. As far as needed a FMIC, some will say yes, some no.

I personally am going to run the sidemount upgrade from Dejontool. www.dejontool.com $379 with stock ic core.

 

[spooled_u]

I'm actually gonna run the 510 JDM injectors w/ a customized supra sidemount with aluminum high flow endtanks.. should be totally stealth and totally schweeeeet

 

[GSX]

Okay Killwicky.

We know where you stand on the matter ... with your employer!

As for the times list, not everyone sends their times in. I mean,
I would make the list but choose to hold of until I've pulled a time
I feel reflects the car and not my questionable driving.

That's all...

 

[Black95GSX]

Originally posted by GSX
As for the times list, not everyone sends their times in. I mean,
I would make the list but choose to hold of until I've pulled a time
I feel reflects the car and not my questionable driving.

That's all...

I can vouch for Pete's driving

 

[GSX4LIFE]

Originally posted by Killwicky





Well, maybe cause we don't have a guy posting predictions and mistruth's full time on DSMTuner's. People who rely soley on proven facts such as dyno numbers and track times usually give us a ring.

DSM Times is there, free for the viewing. Turbos are listed.

WOW, you are MAD at me. I dont know why. I think FP has great products. I was going to purchase a Green, until I saw the AGPs. Now, with that said.... You would be Robert?, not sure. Anyway My name is Dave, and as a consumer, it is my job to form an an oppinion on products with the information that I have learned. And to express my oppinion to others in my own words. YOU, however are a Vender. I do not understand why you feel it necessary to come to the "RESCUE", when someone is expressing thier oppinion about your products. Be it right or wrong. Do you ever see Ben and Kevin doing this every time someone talking about thier products in a dimeaning manner? I never have. Perhaps you should take a lesson. Your job is to provide information. OUR job is to form an oppinion, based on the information you have provided. I do not think it is right for you to correct someone, even if they are wrong, when it comes to your products. I dont think Im the ONLY one with this oppinion either.

 

[Turbo_ZX2]

Originally posted by GSX
Okay Killwicky.

As for the times list, not everyone sends their times in. I mean,
I would make the list but choose to hold of until I've pulled a time
I feel reflects the car and not my questionable driving.

Guess who runs www.dsmtimes.org?

I'll give you one guess.

*cough*Killwicky*cough*

 

[Killwicky]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE

WOW, you are MAD at me. I dont know why. I think FP has great products. I was going to purchase a Green, until I saw the AGPs. Now, with that said.... You would be Robert?, not sure. Anyway My name is Dave, and as a consumer, it is my job to form an an oppinion on products with the information that I have learned. And to express my oppinion to others in my own words. YOU, however are a Vender. I do not understand why you feel it necessary to come to the "RESCUE", when someone is expressing thier oppinion about your products. Be it right or wrong. Do you ever see Ben and Kevin doing this every time someone talking about thier products in a dimeaning manner? I never have. Perhaps you should take a lesson. Your job is to provide information. OUR job is to form an oppinion, based on the information you have provided. I do not think it is right for you to correct someone, even if they are wrong, when it comes to your products. I dont think Im the ONLY one with this oppinion either.

I didn't say I was mad at you. Now your putting words in my mouth.
My name is Brian. It's right there at the bottom of every post I make. Robert is the owner. I (Brian) am the one who blueprints, machines, assembles, and QA's every manufactured turbo we sell.
You can form whatever opinion you want but you said the wheel combo is bigger and should flow more air. You are wrong. Saying it has a bigger wheel is not an opinion. I feel it is necessary to correct inaccurate information. Would you rather I sit back and let you lie to everyone on this board ? Is this what the members of this board want, ...inaccurate information? I haven't come across anyone else doing what you are doing. Not one single time have I ever stated you shouldn't purchase an AGP turbo. I have not posted in EVERY topic concerning AGP turbos. Only the ones where you come in and make a DIRECT comparison between our turbo (which you have never owned, have zero experience with, and know absolutly nothing about) and AGP turbos. I have never seen Kevin or Ben come in and say anything. But I have also never seen a post where one of our customers are giving inaccurate information about their turbos for the specific purpose of trying to get people to buy our turbos. Only you. You are the problem as I pointed out in this post here.
You even admitted you were wrong, but you still continue to do it.

I think it is my job to correct you when you are wrong. Like it or not, you are wrong alot. You are no authority on our turbos or turbochargers in general but here on the internet impressionable people can hold alot of merit in what they manage to read here. I am not asking for alot here. You have a AGP turbo therefore you have some knowledge about it. But quit slandering the products that I build by hand and take the upmost pride in just to help Kevin and Ben out. I assure you it is not what they want and not how they want to be represented. That is a fact! Not an opinion. I build quality, race proven, turbochargers that I take pride in. AGP builds a good turbochargers too. I would much rather you purchase a turbo from them if you don't want one of our's.

 

[Killwicky]

Originally posted by Turbo_ZX2


Guess who runs www.dsmtimes.org?

I'll give you one guess.

*cough*Killwicky*cough*

And...???
What are you implying?

 

[Z1500]

Hey, I've got an idea. From now on Ben and I will post any info we want to let out about our turbos ourselves. This kind of stuff just makes more work for me. My wife is 6 months pregnant, I have 2 DSM's of my own to work on, a LT-1 conversion in my chevy truck to do, a turbo kit for my other truck, everyone else’s DSM to work on, I've got turbos to build, lots of welding I'm behind on, 4 engines waiting to be built, I also manufacture my own line of Glock parts, phone calls and emails to answer everyday, and I need to go take the garbage out. I really don't need to get into turbo wars on the internet.

Can't we all just get along?

Kevin
www.agpturbo.com

 

[GSX4LIFE]

Originally posted by Killwicky


I didn't say I was mad at you. Now your putting words in my mouth.
My name is Brian. It's right there at the bottom of every post I make. Robert is the owner. I (Brian) am the one who blueprints, machines, assembles, and QA's every manufactured turbo we sell.
You can form whatever opinion you want but you said the wheel combo is bigger and should flow more air. You are wrong. Saying it has a bigger wheel is not an opinion. I feel it is necessary to correct inaccurate information. Would you rather I sit back and let you lie to everyone on this board ? Is this what the members of this board want, ...inaccurate information? I haven't come across anyone else doing what you are doing. Not one single time have I ever stated you shouldn't purchase an AGP turbo. I have not posted in EVERY topic concerning AGP turbos. Only the ones where you come in and make a DIRECT comparison between our turbo (which you have never owned, have zero experience with, and know absolutly nothing about) and AGP turbos. I have never seen Kevin or Ben come in and say anything. But I have also never seen a post where one of our customers are giving inaccurate information about their turbos for the specific purpose of trying to get people to buy our turbos. Only you. You are the problem as I pointed out in this post here.
You even admitted you were wrong, but you still continue to do it.

I think it is my job to correct you when you are wrong. Like it or not, you are wrong alot. You are no authority on our turbos or turbochargers in general but here on the internet impressionable people can hold alot of merit in what they manage to read here. I am not asking for alot here. You have a AGP turbo therefore you have some knowledge about it. But quit slandering the products that I build by hand and take the upmost pride in just to help Kevin and Ben out. I assure you it is not what they want and not how they want to be represented. That is a fact! Not an opinion. I build quality, race proven, turbochargers that I take pride in. AGP builds a good turbochargers too. I would much rather you purchase a turbo from them if you don't want one of our's.

Understood. Oh, BTW. Where is the FP30, which you guys have been
promising for........EVER now? Oh, you still have no idea? Thaught not. Tell ya what Brian. You can go tell Robert now that you just lost another sale, because of your mouth. I might have been another sale in the future, but forget it now. Not with your attitude. And considerinf how much business *** has taken from you, my DONATION would probly have been FPs 2003 buget.

HAHAHAHAHA. Im just joking BTW. I think Z1500 is right. Im still thinking of doing another car with a Red, for comparison. Whycant we all just get along. But this still looks nicer!!!!!

 

[sunflashx]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE


Understood. Oh, BTW. Where is the FP30, which you guys have been
promising for........EVER now? Oh, you still have no idea? Thaught not.

That's the reason FP waited so long to make announcements regarding it in the first place. Didn't want to be promising something they couldn't produce. I think the FP30 line has been a lot longer in the making than you would think.

I also think the reason they announced it as soon as they did was because they thought they would be available much sooner than it's turning out.

 

[Intrusive97gsx]

Originally posted by GSX4LIFE





Understood. Oh, BTW. Where is the FP30, which you guys have been
promising for........EVER now? Oh, you still have no idea? Thaught not. Tell ya what Brian. You can go tell Robert now that you just lost another sale, because of your mouth. I might have been another sale in the future, but forget it now. Not with your attitude. And considerinf how much business *** has taken from you, my DONATION would probly have been FPs 2003 buget.

HAHAHAHAHA. Im just joking BTW. I think Z1500 is right. Im still thinking of doing another car with a Red, for comparison. Whycant we all just get along. But this still looks nicer!!!!!

I'd like to start off by saying that you are one of the reasons these stupid arguments even come up. Why don’t you go some place else to give out false information about products that you know nothing about? It seems funny that both FP and AGP suggest that their Big28’s support the same horsepower, so how can you say one is really bigger than the other? I see no facts that could prove to one turbo being better, all I see is two very good and supportive turbo companies selling their own products.

I want to know why I should buy an AGP L3R instead of buying a FP3065? Why does the AGP turbo look so much nicer? Just look at it this way, some turbos are better suited for different people. Some people like 20g’s and some like 16g’s, one is not better than the other they’re just different. I’m just glad to have such great turbos such as the AGP L3R and the FP30 coming out.

 

[BatmanGSX]

GSX4LIFE, I've told you this before, you are fu@king pissing me off. You post false information about FP products which is wrong in itself, but the other part that pisses me off is that you think you are helping AGP. I consider both Kevin and Brian to be friends and I will tell you now that what you have to say is bad for everyone. Just stop or I will ask Chris to ban you for breaking the rules of this site (slandering vendors).

Do I make myself CRYSTAL FU@KING CLEAR?

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

ok everyone settle down a bit.

I'm sick and tired of see these thread go down like this. There will be no more arguments. I'm creating a sticky at the top of this forum and if the rules are not followed all threads will be locked immedealty and warnings issued.

 

[Black95GSX]

I agree John...

Yes I'm a fan of AGP, but I try not to bash FP's products considering I've never used them..... at the same time, I do not own a "L" serries turbo, so I try to keep my comments to there customer service, and my experience with other people's cars which have "L" serries turbos on there cars.



This is becoming more and more common on various msg boards and frankly I'm sick of it. Arguing over this kind of crap is pointless.... as the Picture says -- Argueing over the internet is like competeing in the special olympics, even if you win you're still a retard.

Please people, grow up and stop fighting like this, in the words of Batman: "Can't we all just get along?"


On a more realistic note, I'm not going to toloate this kind of crap on this msg board, we are above that. If your not grown up enough to act like an adult then tough. It will be our jobs (as mods) to prevent this kind of bashing and pissing contests and mine is bigger then yours comments.

Let's grow up people...... this is just getting ridiculous. If you want to act like a child, don't bother posting....