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TuRbo help, fpbig28 vs. 16g

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alright these mutt turbos, are they as good as the rest, will they bolt right on w/ no intall kit? also will they need an external wastegate?
what 1/4 times will i be able to get into with these?
 
They have on of the few internal wastegates that work from as low as 9 psi to how ever high you would like to go. As far as install kit, For the ETAM31 that I have you would need oil and coolant lines from a 1G (or equivalant) That is all. The compressor outlet will be in the same location as the stock T-25.

I have not had any problems with my turbo. There are tons of Mutt turbos out there so you should be able to get some more input as to quality of these turbos. The Port work on these things are second to NONE!!
 
so what the big diff between the 31 and 32? will i ever really even get up to 400 hp, or is that a fantasy? b/c the 31 is 400$ less.

i will just have regular support mods and such. will i never even really need the 460hp capabilities of the ete32? also will i in the end probable be running the same 1/4 with the 31 than if i had got the 32?
 
Ok I wanted to go with the bigt28 but now it dosent really seem to have enough power for me. Im looking for a consitant high 12 time slip with my 95 gst. So im thinking of going with the GREEN or HRC SUPER 20g or something in that calibar. I want to no what the spool up time are on these and which one has the best? like if i was running 18 or 20 psi what would it take for it to reach full boost in 1,2,3,4,5 gear.I no these have the power but im worried about that spool is thats what so great about the bt28 is the spool.Some info would be great. thanks!
 
The great thing about the Big28 is good spool up time and decent top end. The only thing special about it over a 16g is that it's a direct bolt on. I have the normal T28/28 and have ran a 13.1 @ 103.7 with the stock intercooler. I'm hoping for 12s this weekend with my recently installed supra smic.. A friend of mine has a green and he's reaches full boost at about 4000 - 4200. It's still very drivable. And with he's setup he can run low 12s on pump gas.
 
OK, you guys are putting WAY to much emphasis on doing more engine mods to a GST than suspension mods to get into the 12's consistantly. It doesn't take more power to get a FWD DSM into the 12's, it takes a better driver and a properly setup suspension. Hell, FWD DSMs are LIGHTER than an AWD DSM of the same year, so there is no reason why a FWD and AWD cant run similar times with similar mods. The only difference is, the FWD DSM has to be a good driver, and have more suspension work. My personal best 60' time at the dragstrip was a 2.06 on mediocre STREET TIRES and BLOWN SHOCKS!!! KYB AGX and 225/50 16 Michelin Pilots that I've added since then might drop that even more. The AGX will definately help with weight transfer between shifts. Eibach makes drag launch springs for FWD Hondas and various other cars, but not for DSMs. Maybe if we get a petition together and submit it to them, maybe they will start making them for our cars. Drag launch springs (rear springs with an ungodly stiff spring rate) will help against weight transfer, thus keeping the front wheels planted, thus better 60' times and less time loss between shifts. But dont expect better times to be automatic, you need to know how to DRIVE YOUR CAR!!! There are SOOOOO many people who have thousands of dollars invested in their car, but in the end they cant get the best out of it because they dont know how to drive it. Also, there are companys that make front subframe braces for Honda's (aka FWD traction bars) which are known to reduce weight transfer. We could petiton these companies and request them to make a similar product for our cars. Thicker rear sway bars also help with weight transfer, as they link the lower control arms together and keep them from flexing as much. Also, there are a ton of FWD DSMers who have enough engine mods to put down nearly 300whp or more, but then they are still riding on 225 or smaller series tires, or tires with a small sidewall, and wonder why they cant hook up. ummm, DUH!! Start looking into wider tires and tires with decent size sidewalls. 245/45 16's CAN, HAVE, and WILL fit on a DSM, you just have to buy wheels with the proper offset (Been tested and proven to fit with a +35mm offset 16 x 8" wheel). Basically, the key to getting a FWD DSM to consecutively run 12's or better is a properly set up suspension and a driver that knows what he/she are doing, NOT more engine mods and bigger turbos.....
 
well put. all this talk about driving your car, i know im gona sound rediculous but...the launch is the only this you need to know how to do, i mean the rest is just run to redline or something.

but please help me out. my udersstanding is on a fwd u drop the clutch right under boost so your wheels can catch, then like 10ft away u hit boost and take off. ?

whats teh best way to launch a fwd and an awd?
 
Originally posted by NitRous242
well put. all this talk about driving your car, i know im gona sound rediculous but...the launch is the only this you need to know how to do, i mean the rest is just run to redline or something.

but please help me out. my udersstanding is on a fwd u drop the clutch right under boost so your wheels can catch, then like 10ft away u hit boost and take off. ?

whats teh best way to launch a fwd and an awd?
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actually driving yer car is more then just launching.. its about shifting fast without powershifting and shifting at the right rpm, not grinding yer gears etc etc.. theres so many factors involved in making a good run, getting them all together once is the hardest thing to do..

btw sdees2002 I couldnt have said it better myself.. only difference in my point of view is I do have the suspension setup granted Im on heavy ass 17s but I should still be able to get the car down to some better times with better driving.. BUT I want to get an insane amount of power so I dont have to kill the car to hit 12s :)
 
Originally posted by larryd
shifting to fast from one gear to another, basically giving the car gas before letting the clutch out and power shifting.. very bad on synchros and will spin tires
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Yeah...and lets add to the fire, by saying: Power Shifting on the shitty DSM trannies is NOT a good thing. I have seen many a DSM trannies go click click boom from power shifting.

Nathan
 
Well, you im opinion you have to consider suspension like what was mentioned before. You say that you want to get into the 12's, but the Big28 prolly wont offer enough power. I say thats a load of #$#@. If you just go bigger, you going to be spinning that much more. Granted you will prolly have a higher MPH, and on the street, you be kicking some serious tail :> I know you can't go with exactly what the DSM HP calculator says as bible, but i'm made as much as 410HP at 19psi on pump gas with this turbo. Granted its normally aroudn the 370HP level ..this is at the flywheel of course) so thats still around 315 to the ground. I'm fairly confident in those numbers based upon what I previously dyno'd at and the mod's I have addes since. I chose the Big28 because of my warranty and the ease of installation. I'm not a drag strip warrior..yes, it would be nice to run 12's, but I got the power for them from a 2nd gear punch on the hwy :>
 
Larryd have you tried using vht on your 17's. It will help the launch considerably. I used to have a 72' maverick with right around 250hp to the wheels running on 195/75/14's I was running 9.10-9.20's in the 1/8th with vht. Without vht I could'nt muster better than a 10.00. I just poured it into a spray bottle and sprayed the tires down (it's sticky so don't get it on your hands) in the staging lanes. Then i pulled into the burnout box got the tires wet and pulled foward and did a light burnout. I would've used this method in my zx2 s/r but it did'nt have enough power to spin the azenis hard. Just out of curiosity what did you run in the celica w/ and w/out spray? Was'nt it a 2k gt-s?
 
Originally posted by Violater101
Well, you im opinion you have to consider suspension like what was mentioned before. You say that you want to get into the 12's, but the Big28 prolly wont offer enough power. I say thats a load of #$#@. If you just go bigger, you going to be spinning that much more. Granted you will prolly have a higher MPH, and on the street, you be kicking some serious tail :> I know you can't go with exactly what the DSM HP calculator says as bible, but i'm made as much as 410HP at 19psi on pump gas with this turbo. Granted its normally aroudn the 370HP level ..this is at the flywheel of course) so thats still around 315 to the ground. I'm fairly confident in those numbers based upon what I previously dyno'd at and the mod's I have addes since. I chose the Big28 because of my warranty and the ease of installation. I'm not a drag strip warrior..yes, it would be nice to run 12's, but I got the power for them from a 2nd gear punch on the hwy :>
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Im assuming you actually dyno'd yer car?? Im really curious about your dyno and supporing mods and tuning?? did you really put down 315 to the wheels with the Big28 and if so on how much boost and what octane.. you know.. I want the full story :)
 
Originally posted by TOPSECRET
Larryd have you tried using vht on your 17's. It will help the launch considerably. I used to have a 72' maverick with right around 250hp to the wheels running on 195/75/14's I was running 9.10-9.20's in the 1/8th with vht. Without vht I could'nt muster better than a 10.00. I just poured it into a spray bottle and sprayed the tires down (it's sticky so don't get it on your hands) in the staging lanes. Then i pulled into the burnout box got the tires wet and pulled foward and did a light burnout. I would've used this method in my zx2 s/r but it did'nt have enough power to spin the azenis hard. Just out of curiosity what did you run in the celica w/ and w/out spray? Was'nt it a 2k gt-s?
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nope, not allowed to use that at our track.. atleast thats what i heard anyhow.. I might try and sneak it in though :).. in the Celica I ran a best of 14.422 @ 99.16 with just intake and exhaust and with a 50 shot I ran 13.9 @ 106 but I spun into 3rd gear... I only ran on the bottle 4x unfortunatey as I blew the gar up a few weeks later and it never ran right again.. it was a 2000
 
A lot of people told me it was'nt allowed either. So i just decided to try and see if somebody said anything and nobody did. I had a lot of people ask what I was spraying on my tires and I just told them vht. Everbody was cool with it. Most of the tracks around hear spray vht down anyway. If any of the track workers would have said anything I would have stopped. Are you running on 205's if so I would consider getting some 225/45/17 azenis the are awesome tires. Man thats an awesome time with your celica.
 
As for what it stands for I would say super grip. Seriously though don't get the stuff on your hands it does'nt wash off. You'll br known has sticky hand for at least a day.
 
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