TuRbo help, fpbig28 vs. 16g

[NitRous242]

DAAAAAAAAAAMN thats expensive!!!

1300-1,500 $ for the green!!! i wanted to stay around 1k

 

[larryd]

99GST.. just cuz you can do it, doesnt make it easily done.. and have u run 12s yet?? NO.. when you do, then come back and show the timeslip.. I never said it was impossible, I said its hard without breaking ****.. using slicks to get into the 13s is one thing but when your pushing alot more power with the 16G your begging for trouble. Im only going on what Ive been told by many many people that your clutch, then open differential and then half shafts will go without much abuse on them with a larger turbo.. Im not here to argue with you, Im just speaking from personal experience and trying to enlighten unaware GST owners that 12s arent as easy as you think they are.. I used to think the same way as you, I said I hit 14.3 @ 100 mph with just basic mods on my GST, when I get my FMIC, FUEL, TURBO Ill definitely be running 12s, I mean hell Loren ran 11.8 in his GSX so Im sure Ill hit a 12.. nearly 15 runs later with this turbo and a few of whihc on C16 Ive run a best of 13.7 @ 109 mph. and to date that is still the fastest registered time for the Big 28 with FWD other then the other guy that works at FP who had a whole hell of alot of **** done and ran a 13.2.. Hell even look at the list of other turbos and FWD.. of the lists for the 20G, Green, Big 16G, and Big 28, there is 1 FWD car in the 12s and thats tractionless with his Green..

NitRous242.. hahhahaha Green Turbo Snail .. thats hilarious.. I assume you found it already but its www.forcedperformance.net for the Green Turbo and Big 28, hell they even sell Big 16Gs pretty cheaply.. mind you as the saying goes.. it costs $$ to go fast..

 

[rayden]

Originally posted by 99GST


No, I believe you are really off here bud. The point of my email is that 12's on slicks is easily capable. Have you ever ran on slicks? Do you know how to launch on slicks? I have been to the track, and I go two times per week. I personally, have hit 13.7 on my shitty T25, without an afc or fmic. Of course I was on slicks, and I know how to launch with them. So, i will guarantee you i will be in the 12's with a Big 16G, once i put it on.

Just because you may be having a hard time hitting the 12's doesnt mean that it is impossible to do. The HP is there and the Torque is there for 12's. Get some slicks and race gas, then learn how to launch with them. You can get into the 12's. It not that hard.

Sorry friend, but just because you are having trouble, doesnt mean it is not easily doable. Come on down to Kentucky, and us red-necks will show you how to get into the 12's

Later.
Nathan

thx for the support nathan. I am from kentucky also.. what part u from

 

[larryd]

whatever.. i show facts and you guys live in la la land.. show me some FWD time slips with a Big 16G or Big 28 that runs consistent 12s..

 

[candela]

whoooo!!! Larry are you pissed

 

[NitRous242]

gosh (thats right, i said gosh) this post has gotten a lot of replies, i feel so loved . is FP the only good place to offer the green?

 

[fast_talon]

I would have to agree with Larry. My friend has a very nice 1G FWD laser with FMIC, 20G, ported everything, very nice setup. Since he put on the slicks he now runs 12.7 in the 1/4. So thinking a FWD with a 16G will run 12's all day is pushing it. Thats why I have AWD.

 

[99GST]

Originally posted by rayden


thx for the support nathan. I am from kentucky also.. what part u from

Hey another kentuckian. I am from Louisville. Where abouts are you from?

 

[99GST]

Originally posted by larryd
I said I hit 14.3 @ 100 mph with just basic mods on my GST, when I get my FMIC, FUEL, TURBO Ill definitely be running 12s, I mean hell Loren ran 11.8 in his GSX so Im sure Ill hit a 12.. nearly 15 runs later with this turbo and a few of whihc on C16 Ive run a best of 13.7 @ 109 mph. and to date that is still the fastest registered time for the Big 28 with FWD other then the other guy that works at FP who had a whole hell of alot of **** done and ran a 13.2.. Hell even look at the list of other turbos and FWD.. of the lists for the 20G, Green, Big 16G, and Big 28, there is 1 FWD car in the 12s and thats tractionless with his Green..

Well i dont know what to tell you. I ran a 13.8 on my t25 and you ran a 13.7 with a bigT28. Not that I am here to argue or anything, but I guess your ride needs some more tuning. That or maybe you need more practice dragging. I dont know, and dont care. But, with your setup, get some slicks, learn how to drive with them. You can get into the 12's with practice man. Just have the go go go positive attitude and you can do it.

When i get into the 12's after I put my new turbo on, I will post up the timeslip.

Later.

 

[larryd]

ill be waiting for that time slip.. becuase trust me.. I do know how to drive.. I still to this date have one of the fastest ETs in my old Celica with nitrous and without nitrous and in the Eclipse the one thing you dont see is the MPH.. most people when they talk about FWD dont talk about their ETs.. they talk about the MPH, why is that do you ask, becuase of traction..

but hey im not knocking you man, I wish you all the luck in the world hitting 12s.. hell i want the same thing.. im just telling you ahead of time dont think theyll come like nothing..

 

[99GST]

Originally posted by larryd
ill be waiting for that time slip.. becuase trust me.. I do know how to drive.. I still to this date have one of the fastest ETs in my old Celica with nitrous and without nitrous and in the Eclipse the one thing you dont see is the MPH.. most people when they talk about FWD dont talk about their ETs.. they talk about the MPH, why is that do you ask, becuase of traction..

but hey im not knocking you man, I wish you all the luck in the world hitting 12s.. hell i want the same thing.. im just telling you ahead of time dont think theyll come like nothing..

Positive thinking, positive attitude! We can get there!!

 

[larryd]

hehe.. I lost my positive attitude when I realized im having enuf problems keeping the car in the 13s little own hitting 12s.. but like i said.. here is to you hitting 12s.. the more FWD guys that hit 12s the more aspiration i have to get there

 

[NitRous242]

the problem is, i want an awd, and if one comes along i would buy it in a heartbeat, BUT, i live in ft. myers fl and there are NONE, ANYWHERE!

i cant find a single 2g awd! this sucks! i hate fwd!

man back in the day with my rx-7 that rwd was the ****, i wish dsm's where rwd!

 

[Awdboost]

Originally posted by SPEEDY
The T-28 RRE is referring to on there web site is the old T-28. Forced Performance is the only company that sells the new BIG28. There is a difference between the two turbos. You can have the BIG28 "ported" also, I have "mine" ported. The old T-28 flows 510cfm's. The small 16g flows 505cfm's. Big 16G flows 550 cfm's, and no one knows what the BIG28 flows, except for Forced Performance, and they wont release a cfm rating on it. They just say that the BIG28 is rated at 350 to 400 crank hp with supporting mods. Later!!

I can bet you any the reason they haven't relased numbers on the turbo is because the numbers aren't any higher then the normal T28. I don't think that a big T28 with there 15 clip wheels can out flow a Big 16G with a 10 clip wheel. Not possiable because the shear mechanics are mind boggling. But it realy depends on what you want. I going with a Big 16G clip 10 degrees because that about the power stage I want. I bet that Big T28 are nice turbo but if you match the turbo there is no question on who is going to win. Unless you have people who don't know how to tune. Remember more flow more go.

A 20G is much bigger then a Big T28 and that a whole different power level. If you want to go into 11's a 20g will be capable of doing that.

 

[sdees2002]

Originally posted by SPEEDY
Hmmm... Just wondering, where did you get your 520cfm figures for the BIG28 at? Forced Performance, as far as I know, have never give the BIG28 a cfm rating yet. If it was rated at 520cfm's that would only be 10 more cfm's than what the old T-28 did, in which it had a rating of 510cfm's. I would tend to think it's more in the 535cfm range or maybe even more. IMHO

I read about it on some website, not forced performance. I dont know how accurate that is so thats why I have the (??) symbol after it...

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I'll just say that I bought a 20g sized turbo just incase I ever wanted that extra power it would be there. I thought about a t-28 when they were out and a big-28 but I knew for me personally it may not be enough in the long run. That's what you have to think about. Now that larry's head is ported and all that other stuff he's thinking about going bigger. That's what I wanted to stay away from.

Later,

 

[larryd]

yeah unfortuantely i rushed the situation on getting a turbo.. mine was making a nasty screeching sound so i assume she was on her last leg.. haha 23psi and a T25 dont play well together... now i wish i had waited becuase it woulda been a lot cheaper to buy a Green from the get go then it would be now

 

[rayden]

im from lexington 99gst

 

[NitRous242]

alright, your guys have helped a lot. i think i will either go for a 20g or green, which ever one i can afford in the long run, b/c the green is hella expensive, but hella fast. and the support mods for anything above a 14b are pretty much the same. more or less.

if i get 19" m rins for the eclipse will it slow it down a lot more compared to lighter 18"? does it make a noticable difF?>

 

[SPEEDY]

Originally posted by Awdboost


I can bet you any the reason they haven't relased numbers on the turbo is because the numbers aren't any higher then the normal T28. I don't think that a big T28 with there 15 clip wheels can out flow a Big 16G with a 10 clip wheel. Not possiable because the shear mechanics are mind boggling. But it realy depends on what you want. I going with a Big 16G clip 10 degrees because that about the power stage I want. I bet that Big T28 are nice turbo but if you match the turbo there is no question on who is going to win. Unless you have people who don't know how to tune. Remember more flow more go.

A 20G is much bigger then a Big T28 and that a whole different power level. If you want to go into 11's a 20g will be capable of doing that.

Well... every time slip that I have seen posted from a Big 16g is about the same as the time slips I have seen posted for the Big28's "so far." I totally agree with you that the Big 16g will flow a little more on top end. I think 110 traps on pump gas are very obtainable with the Big28. Besides, I plan on spraying a 55 shot with the Big28 down the road. I'm more of a street racer, not a strip racer, so that's why I like the quick spool of the Big28. I'm not a big fan of lag.

 

[NitRous242]

your know thats a good point i never thought about that, im a street racer, dont really care about track, just want to kill other cars. plus i know what you mean, how lag is no fun. id be spraying too, so that means it will spood up quicker, but still.

what are the diff spool up rpm levels for the big28, 20g, and green?

 

[IPT]

If you are looking for alternatives to those turbo I have a ETAM31 on my car (had). I was getting spool around 3200 rpms. The turbo has a TA compressor housing, 50 trim wheel matted to a mitsu center section and turbine side. I love it and it was much cheaper than a green and around the same price as a 20G. I love it and would recommend it to any one that is looking for a 50 trim on a budget. LAter


PS I LOVE IT!! Also the spool time was on a motor that had one dead cylinder..

 

[NitRous242]

hey can you give me a link on that, somewhere with good info and prices?

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Originally posted by NitRous242
hey can you give me a link on that, somewhere with good info and prices?

DSM-Performance


Later,

 

[IPT]

My turbo is not on there web site. You have to call to a price. I traded in a turbo so I can not give you a good idea what the turbo price would be. Sorry