FP DSM88HTA First Tune, still alot more to go.

[TheBoz]

The boost moves around on this map, because we had to switch to a Manual Boost controller. I have some wiring issues with my eletronic boost controller. Once we get the boost controller figured out I should be able to see a lot smoother graph, and a solid 25psi across the board.

I am also considering doing an e85 map for the car, because the california 91 is really not fun.

 

[We're on Boost]

The car is tuned for 0 knock.

When you are using an AEM, I suppose you are measuring voltage from the stock knock sensor? What do you consider to be 0 knock?

Also, what is an FTS fuel pressure regulator? FTS?

Thanks,
Gary

 

[diambo4life]

Nothing wrong with that power and that tune for what you have. Pay no heed to some of the useless comments on here. The stock block will handle it to some point. Only thing I can advice you do to is to richen the AF one point and give it more timing advance after peak TQ.

67mm turbo does not have an on-off switch on a 2.0L. Power onset is very smooth and gradual. That car will pull hard all the way to redline. I had one on my car with HKS 272/272s' last year and I was revving it to 8,500rpm with the stock valvetrain with no issues. It ran well.

 

[dnhieu]

Nothing wrong with that power and that tune for what you have. Pay no heed to some of the useless comments on here. The stock block will handle it to some point. Only thing I can advice you do to is to richen the AF one point and give it more timing advance after peak TQ.

67mm turbo does not have an on-off switch on a 2.0L. Power onset is very smooth and gradual. That car will pull hard all the way to redline. I had one on my car with HKS 272/272s' last year and I was revving it to 8,500rpm with the stock valvetrain with no issues. It ran well.

I was reving my pf2's to 8k with no problem also. these motors can handle alot more then people on here will tell you. i daily drove my car at 23psi with a very similar setup daily for 2 years with no problem with me also ragging on it also. the only thing that killed my motor was the day i got on it and my pressure switch for my methanol decided not to work...

 

[Slippi84]

Nothing wrong with that power and that tune for what you have. Pay no heed to some of the useless comments on here. The stock block will handle it to some point. Only thing I can advice you do to is to richen the AF one point and give it more timing advance after peak TQ.

67mm turbo does not have an on-off switch on a 2.0L. Power onset is very smooth and gradual. That car will pull hard all the way to redline. I had one on my car with HKS 272/272s' last year and I was revving it to 8,500rpm with the stock valvetrain with no issues. It ran well.

+1 Voice of reason

That's why I was asking him what peak timiing he was seeing because if it was real passive that would be my only suggestion to squeeze some more out to keep it cool for a dd on the stock block. Tuning is a give and take and you see what works best in a nut shell. Some cars will love more boost and less timing and a conservative a/f ratio some will love to run lean with less boost and a little more timing and then you might have a car that loves timing and conservative boos and a/f. Only way to tell is to try it out except with a stock motor messing up usually means your beat .

 

[BlackHawkAWD91]

67mm turbo does not have an on-off switch on a 2.0L. Power onset is very smooth and gradual.

I would like to consider my 67mm on a 2.0L hits pretty hard, but it's a T4 setup with a nice manifold.

From my dyno graph at 31-32psi, I go from 220ishTQ@4200 to 460TQ@4900 (roughly) Also 180HP at 4200, 450@ 4900rpms (roughly).

The FP88HTA should be a badass turbo, but without a doubt put it in a T4 housing.

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[The_EE]

Hey Boz, is Paul ( white evo ) still there? Tell Al, Jen and Paul that Jason ( Silver GSX ) says hi!

 

[TheBoz]

Here is the dyno Video.

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Galant VR4 460AWHP Dyno Video Tuning Technologies

 

[Slippi84]

I would like to consider my 67mm on a 2.0L hits pretty hard, but it's a T4 setup with a nice manifold.

From my dyno graph at 31-32psi, I go from 220ishTQ@4200 to 460TQ@4900 (roughly) Also 180HP at 4200, 450@ 4900rpms (roughly).

The FP88HTA should be a badass turbo, but without a doubt put it in a T4 housing.

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That must be a stroker cause no way a 67mm turbo in t4 housing spooled that good.

Edit: I just looked at your profile you have 9:1 block I take it that is the reason. Kinda makes me happy to see higher compression has that much of an affect on spool. A lot of people used to argue that the 8:5:1 2g pistons on 1g rods didn't do anything but obviously it does.

 

[diambo4life]

Rob's case is atypical. His setup just spools really well. It will not apply to many 67 setups on 2 liters esp. those with sizable housings. Not .63a/r junk. It could be the divided housing he's using too. C.R. doesn't really affect spool much. My car gets full spool at the EXACT RPM with the stock 7.8:1 C.R. and the 9:1 it has now on the same setup. That's more than one point increase with no change in spool. Displacement helps a ton though.

 

[Slippi84]

Rob's case is atypical. His setup just spools really well. It will not apply to many 67 setups on 2 liters esp. those with sizable housings. Not .63a/r junk. It could be the divided housing he's using too. C.R. doesn't really affect spool much. My car gets full spool at the EXACT RPM with the stock 7.8:1 C.R. and the 9:1 it has now on the same setup. That's more than one point increase with no change in spool. Displacement helps a ton though.

Hmm well I figured he was more the exception than the rule but still that's pretty good spool characteristics no matter how you cut it. I'm going t3 .70ar with my setup trying to keep it street friendly with good top end.

 

[TheBoz]

Also my max timing was 13 degrees at full load and full boost.

 

[Slippi84]

Rob's case is atypical. His setup just spools really well. It will not apply to many 67 setups on 2 liters esp. those with sizable housings. Not .63a/r junk. It could be the divided housing he's using too. C.R. doesn't really affect spool much. My car gets full spool at the EXACT RPM with the stock 7.8:1 C.R. and the 9:1 it has now on the same setup. That's more than one point increase with no change in spool. Displacement helps a ton though.

What kinda power increase did you see at the same given boost when you switched?

 

[diambo4life]

What kinda power increase did you see at the same given boost when you switched?

Can't say. I only dyno'd the car after. I'm not a big fan of high compression pistons actually. Just got a good deal on these slugs and said "..why not?"

 

[Slippi84]

Can't say. I only dyno'd the car after. I'm not a big fan of high compression pistons actually. Just got a good deal on these slugs and said "..why not?"

I'm in the same boat. I half regret it actually. But I wouldn't have got even close to as crazy as I have had I not found the deal I did and my deal was for a assembled shortblock so I REALLY couldn't say no. But just from yoru butt dyno do you think the transient response with a big turbo and extra power is noticable or just a waste?

 

[NewTurboTuner]

I think 460 @ 24lbs is pretty good!

I'm very interested to see how the turbo responds at higher boost. I'm getting a GT4088R soon and It'll be cool to see how these compare.

Make sure to keep us updated!

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

Called and talked with FP today will have my mitsu flanged hta88 thursday

 

[TheBoz]

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Galant VR4(12.4@115) vs Tacoma

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Galant VR4(12.6@115) vs Mustang GT

A few videos of my track runs. The car is still running awesome. The car was only running about 20-22psi, manual boost controllers suck.

California Speed Way (6/14/08)
RT ... 0.166
60' ... 1.883
330 ... 5.326
1/8 ... 8.077
MPH ... 86.68
1000 ... 10.451
1/4 ... 12.420
MPH ... 115.36

And yes I still need to learn how to drive . It is getting there, everytime to the track the car gets faster.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

good stuff boz. i can't wait to get mine up and running and hit the track. what happened with the MBC?

 

[TheBoz]

They are very inconsistent. So, the boost bounces from 19.5psi-22.3psi and back an fourth. I have an eletronic one I just have to fix the wiring on it and tune it. I have an 18psi WG Spring in right now, but once it goes above that, the MBC just does not want to keep the boost at 24.5psi. I will get it sorted out, I have bigger things that need adjustment. Like my launch 1.8 60's are ok, but I would like to see the 1.5-1.6 60's. I also need shift faster between gears and setup the NLTS. I should be able to get the traps, and overall et much better.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

gotcha i'm kinda skeptical to run my turbosmart dual stage MBC now... but i've heard at high boost levels 28+ or so that MBC is the way to go.

 

[bastard dsm]

your mph sould be higher with those #'s, i ran 12.0 @ 119mph with 445hp on my gvr4.
your car sounds good, i was looking into the fp hta but i might go with a bw turbo.

 

[NewTurboTuner]

Is your car full weight TheBoz?

 

[daren_p]

Sounds like its coming along nicely, I wouldn't worry about some of the comments. There's always somebody, who knows somebody who made more power on less boost with a smaller turbo, with one cylinder not running, etc, etc Add some timing in that tune & I'm sure things will really start to wake up

 

[TheBoz]

Is your car full weight TheBoz?

Yep full weight, and I am not a skinny guy by any stretch of the imagination. Hell the car even has the spare tire in the back. However even if I gutted everything out of the car, it would only save me about 100lbs, maybe a little more. So I could say that maybe my car might be 1 10th faster if it was striped down.