Resolved Forced Performance FP3150 Dual BB turbo installed!

[VanIsleDSM]

because the FP30 housing is larger wouldn't it spool slower?

I don't have any first hand experience but from everything I've read the PTE 50 trim spools to ~20psi at around 3500 on a 2.0.. I understand you're at a higher elevation, but it just doesn't seem very fast for a BB 50 trim on a 2.3..

I'm buying a BB 50trim once I get back from work again in september some time.. by then hopefully it will have been released for a while and there will be some more info to compare it to the PTE on spool.. I'm sure it'll flow better and have a better top end, but if it hurts spool too much I'll probably just go PTE... or possibly T3 since you basically have to replace everything with the FP setup aswell.. it's only bolt on to the manifold.. not true bolt-on.

Curious why the switch from DNP to the FP manifold? being cast I imagine it would help more with heat even though your DNP was coated.. but it has sharper curves than a DNP and it's not equal length.. having the full setup is obviously alluring.. just wondering what your motive was there and what your thoughts are about which manifold is better and why..

 

[biglady112]

Keep in mind guys this is at over 6000ft where we were tuning. I can speak first hand on tuning and spool differences. Spool was witnessed doing pulls from 2000rpm. Again, half ass tune, little spool up tuning and wastegate pressure.

Chris was unhappy with the SCM6152 on the tight courses we have here. Not enough off boost power. As I said before, I think a little more work and we could have got some good gains down low as we never tuned there before. I will let Chris answer if he feels comfortable why he went with all the pieces he did. I know the reason, but maybe it is too soon to tell why.

Steven

 

[Ludachris]

because the FP30 housing is larger wouldn't it spool slower?

I don't have any first hand experience but from everything I've read the PTE 50 trim spools to ~20psi at around 3500 on a 2.0.. I understand you're at a higher elevation, but it just doesn't seem very fast for a BB 50 trim on a 2.3..

I'm buying a BB 50trim once I get back from work again in september some time.. by then hopefully it will have been released for a while and there will be some more info to compare it to the PTE on spool.. I'm sure it'll flow better and have a better top end, but if it hurts spool too much I'll probably just go PTE... or possibly T3 since you basically have to replace everything with the FP setup aswell.. it's only bolt on to the manifold.. not true bolt-on.

Curious why the switch from DNP to the FP manifold? being cast I imagine it would help more with heat even though your DNP was coated.. but it has sharper curves than a DNP and it's not equal length.. having the full setup is onviously alluring.. just wondering what your motive was there and what your thoughts are about which manifold is better and why..

Elevation is going to have a bigger impact on spool times than you're figuring. Ask anyone who has gone from sea level to 6k feet above sea level.

I went from the DNP to the FP manifold for a few reasons, mainly because it has bigger runners, I prefer cast over welded manifolds for road racing, you can get to the bolts easier for removal of the turbo/manifold, and overall FP just makes great pieces that you can rely on. The curves in the runners aren't equal length but they aren't all that sharp either. I think it will be at least as good for flow if not better than the DNP. And it's coated too.

 

[delta448]

Anybody have any info on when this beautiful turbo might be made available to purchase for those of us lowly peasants who are hugely less well connected than Chris?

I think the founder of this site is a pretty good choice on FP's part to give some fringe benefits to... -you lucky dog. BTW Chris, your setup is effin awesome. Can you tell I'm a little jealous?

My end goal for my talon's personality is almost exactly where you are at right now with this new setup on your stroker. Very fast spool, acceptable off boost, ability to hit 450+whp and still be drivable on the street.

 

[nightspeed87]

Anybody have any info on when this beautiful turbo might be made available to purchase for those of us lowly peasants who are hugely less well connected than Chris?

I think the founder of this site is a pretty good choice on FP's part to give some fringe benefits to... -you lucky dog. BTW Chris, your setup is effin awesome. Can you tell I'm a little jealous?

My end goal for my talon's personality is almost exactly where you are at right now with this new setup on your stroker. Very fast spool, acceptable off boost, ability to hit 450+whp and still be drivable on the street.

I feel the exact same way

 

[Ludachris]

Chris,
I noticed that you came directly off the engine with the FP turbo filter... I did that initially resulting in a constant "leak" battle. I ended up using a straight fitting (got rid of the banjo one) and put the filter in-line. When it leaked the oil blew on to the manifold creating a bit of smoke (just another thing to deal with when you're on the track)

Hey Greg, what fitting did you use to go from the line to the head? Where did you get it? I can't remember what the thread pitch is for the head.

 

[wishihadatalon]

Hey Greg, what fitting did you use to go from the line to the head? Where did you get it? I can't remember what the thread pitch is for the head.

m10x1.25 iirc.
Do you use a -3 feed line? If its a -4 then you can find what you need here http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/index.php?shop=&dept=Metric

 

[Ludachris]

It's whatever FP sends with their kit, I think it's -4.

 

[DSM90AWD]

Nice plumbing job there Chris. Never thought about going up on the backside for coolant, may just have to try that myself
As for the filter leaking, I'm running a similar setup from ExtremePSI and felt that being hard mounted to the head like that, vibrations/tork on the SS end would likely loosen/fatigue the fittings. I made up a simple brace out of 1" AL bar that mounts to the front of the filter and tied into the threaded bracket off the waterpipe

 

[wishihadatalon]

It's whatever FP sends with their kit, I think it's -4.

In that case I would just get one of those fittings and then get a 90 degree to go off of it. This should also keep taking that bolt out and threading it back in to a minimum, less chance of stripping it.

 

[daren_p]

I can verify that this turbo will equal or out due a 3052. I tuned another 3052 a few weeks prior on pump gas. And yes chris has a larger engine and aftermarket intake, but the top end at 18psi vs 24psi on the 3052 is not even close. Also the 3052 is showing signs of going out, but made 410whp at 24psi on pump gas.

Your obviously not comparing apples to apples. A 50 trim won't equal or out due a 3052 on the same setup. Obviously the different displacement & intake mani are making a big difference especially if you are saying the 50 trim has more top end at 18 psi then the 3052 does at 24 psi. The 3052 has a larger more efficient compressor wheel & a better flowing turbine wheel. Its also rated at 52 lb/min compared to 45 lb/min.

 

[Ludachris]

In that case I would just get one of those fittings and then get a 90 degree to go off of it. This should also keep taking that bolt out and threading it back in to a minimum, less chance of stripping it.

Yeah, Summit has the 90* elbow adapter that I'd need. I just have to wait until I need more parts from Summit so I don't have to pay their $8 handling fee for one fitting.

 

[pukrnukr]

Wow! This is the first time i've read about this turbo. I'm sure it will be pretty sick. FP never seems to let DSMers down.

 

[Robert Young]

And life gets even better now that there is a GB for the whole setup!

BOOST ON!

Robert Young

 

[Robert Young]

I got a lot of questions about why this turbo was made. We got soooo many requests for ball bearing 50 trims that we went ahead and built a batch. Looks like most people were willing to live with a little more restrictive housing and a crummy internal gate to save a few hundred bucks for the most part.

The FP3150 BB does spool faster and have a little bit lower boost threshold than the FP3052, the FP3052 can reach another 20-30 whp higher up the dyno chart. Most guys don't use this capacity on the 3052 since they run only 20-22psi. At 20-22psi the 3052 doesnt have any advantage over the 3150.

Boost On!
Robert

 

[98mitsuGSX-SD]

What's the differances between the FP3150 BB and the GT-11 by slowboyracing?

I tried to find specs and such on the FP website but nothing is posted.

I do realize that the FP3150BB is a 50 trim and the GT-11 is a 52 trim.

the GT-11 is still 200 dollars less than the FP3150BB.

 

[DGajre777]

What's the differances between the FP3150 BB and the GT-11 by slowboyracing?

I tried to find specs and such on the FP website but nothing is posted.

I do realize that the FP3150BB is a 50 trim and the GT-11 is a 52 trim.

the GT-11 is still 200 dollars less than the FP3150BB.

The GT-11 is a GT30 with a 52 trim compressor with probably the SBR or Mitsubishi's housing.

The FP3052 has a GT30 CHRA which would be similar to the GT12 sold by SBR, but with FP's turbine housing.

The FP3150BB is a 50 trim with FP's turbine housing that like the FP3052 requires you to use their o2 housing and a V band external wastegate.

As for more info on the FP3150, here is a post by Robert Young from FP.

Guess I have been at this tooooo long. A stage 3 50trim describes a T3/T4E hybird that uses the "50 Trim" Garrett Compressor wheel and a T31 or "stage 3" turbine wheel. This has been by far the best selling T3/T4E combo ever.

The 50 trim compressor is the compressor from the very popular FPGreen model and will flow around 49lb/min when maxed out. The cover is 3" in and 2" out. It is generally regarded as the Garrett compressor of choice in the 2.0-2.3 liter 93 octane application when 400-450whp is the target. The 50 Trim T04E compressor is slightly smaller than the one found in our FP3052 turbo which flows about 52-53lb/min when maxed out. So as far a compressors are concerned the 3150 will spool faster/better than the 3052.

The "stage3" turbine wheel is almost the same size as the GT30 turbine wheel but has more blades and is a little more restrictive than the UHP found in the GT30 - making it spool faster and a perfect match for the 50 trim compressor.

So you have basically the worlds most popular T3/T4 pump gas hybrid in a T4 BB chra made by Garrett housed in the bullet-proof 310SS FP30 turbine housing.

Additionally, the T4 ball bearing is larger and stronger than the GT30/35 bearing - so you also get a stronger bearing setup than found even in the GT35R turbo. The only problem is that it costs $250 less than normal, oh wait - that's a feature

Oh yeah, they are in stock also.

BOOST ON!
Robert Young

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266372

 

[Street Surgeon]

If anyone was interested in those gates high performance upper and lower radiator hoses here's the link! Unfortunately it only looks like they come in blue? Ah well, matches my timing belt