Resolved Forced Performance FP3150 Dual BB turbo installed!

[Greg Collier]

Hey Greg, by the way, can you let me know which radiator hoses you used? I thought it was for the 2G but I remember you having an issue with the fitment of the lower one. I can't find where you posted about it though.

I used the Samco 2G lower hose for the upper with a little trimming, and the Samco 2G upper for the lower with an added hose sensor adapter. If you remember I added a low water pressure warning light to the system. The adapter gave the added turn I needed for perfect fitment. Mitch (Engintecs) has since found a resource for silicone rad-hoses for the 1G's: http://www.engintecs.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3636

The problem I found with the FP turbo filter with the banjo fitting was that the weight of the filter itself had just enough leverage to turn itself. Plus the fact if you accidentally touch it while you're working on the car oil will be spraying all over the place... (Been there done that)

 

[project_tsi]

Those are not silicone hoses but they are very nice, and available at Napa!

 

[Greg Collier]

Those are not silicone hoses but they are very nice, and available at Napa!

Man... it's getting that you can't trust anyone! J/K

 

[AuntiesTSI]

Where did you order the banjo fitting and banjo bolts from?? I may have to steal you coolant lines.

 

[DarthBulk]

I bought mine from ATP Turbo.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=FTG

 

[AuntiesTSI]

Sweet, thanks.

 

[Ludachris]

I bought mine from ATP Turbo.

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=FTG

Same here.

 

[91eagle_tsi_awd]

The new set-up looks great! I give it a few months and everyone will be buying that turbo.

Im happy with your old scm61 though. Good luck with the car, Hope you get what you expect out of it.

 

[JOEY A]

Well right now, I have quit a bit to spend on a turbo setup....


Im just saying make the lower end turbo more affordable for more people, I mean even if they bring the price down, if more people can afford it and buy it...they will profit either way ish

 

[Ludachris]

Well right now, I have quit a bit to spend on a turbo setup....


Im just saying make the lower end turbo more affordable for more people, I mean even if they bring the price down, if more people can afford it and buy it...they will profit either way ish

That's the case with just about anything. I'm sure FP will price it in a way where it will make good business sense for them.

 

[JOEY A]

Sorry for adding things to your thread bud...


Selling that exhaust manifold?

 

[Ludachris]

Sorry for adding things to your thread bud...


Selling that exhaust manifold?

PM'd you about that.

 

[nightspeed87]

I believe that's the phenolic spacer for the FRH IM

Anyone can help me with a link for this...

I took the car out to the road course for a quick shake down and though I had a few issues I can say that the turbo spools very fast. I was only running about 18 lbs of boost and I was seeing full boost at about 3600 rpm. Now that's with very light tuning. I'm going to be playing with it some more over the next couple of weeks to get it ready for another test and tune track day. I hope to have all the kinks worked out soon for some Time Trials competition. I'll be posting more about that later.

That's good to know it spools that fast, and Im sure more involved tuning could make it spool even a few hundred rpms faster than that... I plan on doing this exact set up myself one day and also a .40 over bored 2.3 stroker build with either fp2s or fp3s depending on whether I get the cams before the stroker is built and how far off that will be.
Is there compressor maps for this new turbo, or is it similar to its predecessors that only differ by this ones ball bearing design?

 

[GVR4592]

It's the same old TO4E 50 trim that people have been using for years, it shouldn't be hard to find a compressor map.

 

[nightspeed87]

It's the same old TO4E 50 trim that people have been using for years, it shouldn't be hard to find a compressor map.

Oh yea, i thought they changed it up. I shouldve looked into the thread further.
But then again I havent done much research on even the old 50trim because I havent
had a reason to yet.
So I take it this turbos only benefit over the original is the spooling characteristics?

( Still the turbo im going to get after I get off the evo3. )

 

[GVR4592]

So I take it this turbos only benefit over the original is the spooling characteristics?

I'd say it's a good compromise between an Evo3 16g and the 3052. Quicker spool than the 3052 and more power than the Evo 3. The FP3150 probably won't be capable of making the power that the FP3052 has, but it should be pretty close. I think it's a good choice for a car like Chris's.

 

[nightspeed87]

I'd say it's a good compromise between an Evo3 16g and the 3052. Quicker spool than the 3052 and more power than the Evo 3. The FP3150 probably won't be capable of making the power that the FP3052 has, but it should be pretty close. I think it's a good choice for a car like Chris's.

I actually dont so much care about top end peak horsepower, Im more into building a fast pump gas streetcar with usable power under the curve and quick spool times.
Ive drag raced before, but straightline is only fun when your trying to constantly beat your old record or something ( and besides my friends already pulled 11.9 at 115 out of this car on a 16g) ... I mean if im trying to test my cars all out acceleration improvement with each upgrade then sure but I want to get more into autocross with this car ( If you can tell by the suspesnion mods in the profile this is what the car is intended for)
So therefore I want something quick spooling that still packs a punch but delievers
an acceptable power curve... This is also why I want to go stroker... I dont need more
than 8k rpm in any event therefore might as well gain the low end advantage of the 2.3.

 

[underradar92]

Anyone can help me with a link for this...

This is all I could find. https://www.jacksonautomachine.com/html/shopping/list_section.cfm?sectionId=33 I can't find any info on Forrester's website, they seem to focus on LS1/2/6/7 etc. Chevies.

 

[16g-95gsx]

I took the car out to the road course for a quick shake down and though I had a few issues I can say that the turbo spools very fast. I was only running about 18 lbs of boost and I was seeing full boost at about 3600 rpm.
Here are some photos:

Not to rain on any parade, but I see 20psi by 3680rpms on my FP3052 as logged in my AEM EMS with an AEM 3.5bar Map sensor located in the manifold plenum. I am still using a factory exhman, FP2 cams, 1g head, stock 7bolt bottom end, 3" custom SS turboback, PWR water to air IC, and cyclone manifold. Id say that if I looked at 18psi in my logs it would also be right smack around 3600rpms even. I have yet to even try tweaking the low end settings to increase spoolup any.

 

[nitrouskris]

Anyone can help me with a link for this...



That's good to know it spools that fast, and Im sure more involved tuning could make it spool even a few hundred rpms faster than that... I plan on doing this exact set up myself one day and also a .40 over bored 2.3 stroker build with either fp2s or fp3s depending on whether I get the cams before the stroker is built and how far off that will be.
Is there compressor maps for this new turbo, or is it similar to its predecessors that only differ by this ones ball bearing design?

call andy at 122 performance he has them

 

[daren_p]

Oh yea, i thought they changed it up. I shouldve looked into the thread further.
But then again I havent done much research on even the old 50trim because I havent
had a reason to yet.
So I take it this turbos only benefit over the original is the spooling characteristics?

( Still the turbo im going to get after I get off the evo3. )

This turbo would just be like your standard PTE or SBR etc, bolt on ball bearing 50 trim with one big advantage, its been adapted to the FP turbine housing, like what they use on their GT line of turbos. This housing is cast from SS so its lighter & stronger then the factory style housings & wont rust. The BIG advantage is this housing will flow alot more then any other bolt on housing out there as it doesn't keep any of the factory style, less then ideal, housing characteristics. Its a completely custom housing, as far as volute size, A/R etc. It flow like a .63 T3 housing but will still bolt to a Mitsu flange, which is something the other bolt on housings can't offer. If your looking for max power potential of a setup & still want it to be "bolt-on", this is the route to go.

 

[Ludachris]

Not to rain on any parade, but I see 20psi by 3680rpms on my FP3052 as logged in my AEM EMS with an AEM 3.5bar Map sensor located in the manifold plenum. I am still using a factory exhman, FP2 cams, 1g head, stock 7bolt bottom end, 3" custom SS turboback, PWR water to air IC, and cyclone manifold. Id say that if I looked at 18psi in my logs it would also be right smack around 3600rpms even. I have yet to even try tweaking the low end settings to increase spoolup any.

Not to worry, you're not raining on my parade. We only had time to do a quick tune the night before I went to the track so I'm sure I can improve the spool time.

Also, I'm at 5900 feet above sea level. I'm not sure what your elevation is since you don't have a Location specified in your profile but I'm guessing you might be at a lower elevation. That will have a big impact on spool as well.

 

[nightspeed87]

This turbo would just be like your standard PTE or SBR etc, bolt on ball bearing 50 trim with one big advantage, its been adapted to the FP turbine housing, like what they use on their GT line of turbos. This housing is cast from SS so its lighter & stronger then the factory style housings & wont rust. The BIG advantage is this housing will flow alot more then any other bolt on housing out there as it doesn't keep any of the factory style, less then ideal, housing characteristics. Its a completely custom housing, as far as volute size, A/R etc. It flow like a .63 T3 housing but will still bolt to a Mitsu flange, which is something the other bolt on housings can't offer. If your looking for max power potential of a setup & still want it to be "bolt-on", this is the route to go.

Thanks, this is the kind of info i was looking for.
Im pretty sure this will be what I get in a year when I upgrade from the evo3
Hopefully prices by then will have gone down.

This is all I could find. https://www.jacksonautomachine.com/html/shopping/list_section.cfm?sectionId=33 I can't find any info on Forrester's website, they seem to focus on LS1/2/6/7 etc. Chevies.

Appreciate the help. Is there any proven evidence on the advantage of using this piece other than the hearsay ?

Not to rain on any parade, but I see 20psi by 3680rpms on my FP3052 as logged in my AEM EMS with an AEM 3.5bar Map sensor located in the manifold plenum. I am still using a factory exhman, FP2 cams, 1g head, stock 7bolt bottom end, 3" custom SS turboback, PWR water to air IC, and cyclone manifold. Id say that if I looked at 18psi in my logs it would also be right smack around 3600rpms even. I have yet to even try tweaking the low end settings to increase spoolup any.

Possibly the cyclone is helping your spool. Are you stroker also like luda?

 

[16g-95gsx]

Not to worry, you're not raining on my parade. We only had time to do a quick tune the night before I went to the track so I'm sure I can improve the spool time.

Also, I'm at 5900 feet above sea level. I'm not sure what your elevation is since you don't have a Location specified in your profile but I'm guessing you might be at a lower elevation. That will have a big impact on spool as well.

5900ft? Well then, theres the difference . Mine was at 2000ft, which makes a large amount of difference. There is only but so much you can really do to "tune" spool up to be quicker, so I wouldnt expect it to drop much more. But still thats pretty decent at that elevation. Sounds like low low 3000's for sea level.

 

[biglady112]

Chris L. We only made about 8-10 pulls the night before Chris had to race. This was a seat of the pants no wideband or map sensor tune. Just winging it the best we could so it would hold together.

I can verify that this turbo will equal or out due a 3052. I tuned another 3052 a few weeks prior on pump gas. And yes chris has a larger engine and aftermarket intake, but the top end at 18psi vs 24psi on the 3052 is not even close. Also the 3052 is showing signs of going out, but made 410whp at 24psi on pump gas. Once Chris gets the new clutch in and now that the gauges are working and wideband wired in and working right, it is on like donkey kong.

With Chris' all new setup, he should have no trouble being one of the top cars at the track each outing this year. Too bad he still didn't have the SCM6152, because i am sure NOW I can spool that bastard. It took some playing, but I finally got my SCM6176 to spool how and where I chose.

Either way, the 3150 is badass and Chris will own time attack this year. If his wife lets him go to a real race track. We will see in a few weeks what the darn thing is really able to do.

Steven