Fmic 1g driver's side

[crazyboost]

Before everyone starts yelling at me, ill have you know that i have been searching and searching and searching all over dsmtuners and the net for pictures of the drivers side routing for a side to side front mount, but i still can't figure out how i should route my 2.5" piping. I have a 92 tsi awd and ive come to the conclusion that the piping is a lot harder to do on a awd then a fwd turbo because of the chassis. I have an 8" jrc core side to side, a u bend a 90 and a 45. I thought there would be a clear spot for the u bend to go through on the drivers side but i was mistaken. Any one have pictures or advice for me? thanks in advance.

 

[Stapl3]

How's fwd different than awd up there? Elaborate.

 

[m1nd64m3]

Why would you put it in the drivers side? The passenger side has all the provisions already there for it.

 

[crazyboost]

i have a side to side jrc front mount, all the passenger side piping is good, it runs up through the stock location to my uicp. The drivers side is really difficult on the other hand. There is a very small opening ( that i will have to cut a lil to enlarge it) that i can squeeze a pipe inbetween that will come out right above my frame and in between my oil filter and the a/c fan which i can then use something to connect to the 90 that comes off my dejon tool j-pipe. I just talked with 90cherrytsi and he said that he had the same problem and had to use some fuel line hose for the crazy turns that i will need to do. Ill attempt this tomorrow and let you guys know what happens. if there are any other ways to do it please let me know.. thanks

 

[Stapl3]

But how is the awd and fwd different?

 

[Newlogics]

i have a side to side jrc front mount, all the passenger side piping is good, it runs up through the stock location to my uicp. The drivers side is really difficult on the other hand. There is a very small opening ( that i will have to cut a lil to enlarge it) that i can squeeze a pipe inbetween that will come out right above my frame and in between my oil filter and the a/c fan which i can then use something to connect to the 90 that comes off my dejon tool j-pipe. I just talked with 90cherrytsi and he said that he had the same problem and had to use some fuel line hose for the crazy turns that i will need to do. Ill attempt this tomorrow and let you guys know what happens. if there are any other ways to do it please let me know.. thanks

I can't picture in my head where endtank of the FMIC sits in relation to the opening in the rad. support. Take few pics, and I will find a way to route it.

 

[crazyboost]

On my car there is a chasis arm going in the middle of the engine bay between the radiator and engine. the pic is not my car but you can get the idea, this (circle) is where im planning on shooting the 2.5" piping through. the other pic is of what i think is a fwd car.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=50914&d=1115165672

 

[Newlogics]

On my car there is a chasis arm going in the middle of the engine bay between the radiator and engine. the pic is not my car but you can get the idea, this (circle) is where im planning on shooting the 2.5" piping through. the other pic is of what i think is a fwd car.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=50914&d=1115165672

That's not exactly my favorite routing spot. I prefer opening right beside the radiator. I need a pic of the front, where FMIC endtank loaction is shown.

 

[~laser_craver~]

Just so you know the pipes are suppose to go threw the 2 little holes you will have to cut em bigger to have the shortest possible route. I did it with mine. My endtanks actually had the outlet and inlet pointing toward the rear of the car so i cut the holes out and the core slid right into em.

 

[crazyboost]

This is the side to side JRC 8" core and it covers up the two wholes on the sides of the radiator. So short route is not possible with this intercooler. I wish i had the one with the rear facing outlets ### it would make everything much easier (short route piping) but i got this one off ebay for $100 so it was a bargain.

 

[sbiggi]

my intercooler blocks those holes in the radiator support to.

I ran mine under the front...
I have the pipe go over to the drivers side, then a 90 degrees bend pointing down and to the front.
A 90 degree coupler that is installed like a V under the radiator support.
Another 90 degree bend bring it up to the intercooler inlet.

The coupler does hang low, so I plan on replacing it with a hard pipe.

If you go to my profile, you can see the coupler hanging down in the picture.
I attached a sweet mspaint drawing

-Seth

 

[Newlogics]

How far does it cover up that hole, next to the radiator?

Here's a similar situation with Ebay FMIC, and a pipe design to work with it:

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But it all depeds haw far your FMIC is sticking out past that hole.

 

[JessesTalon]

That's not exactly my favorite routing spot. I prefer opening right beside the radiator. I need a pic of the front, where FMIC endtank loaction is shown.

Yes short route piping goes right next through the rad. I had this on my fmic setup and it worked great adn cleared the rad just fine.

Going around just takes more piping... more piping the more air has a chance to heat up, and slower spooling

 

[JessesTalon]

How far does it cover up that hole, next to the radiator?

Here's a similar situation with Ebay FMIC, and a pipe design to work with it:

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But it all depeds haw far your FMIC is sticking out past that hole.

That looks hot!

 

[crazyboost]

Yea i wish i could do short route but my intercooler is too long. I could go through the D-port if i really wanted my intercooler to be off center, but that wouldn't look so hot. So im just going the long route.

 

[Newlogics]

Yea i wish i could do short route but my intercooler is too long. I could go through the D-port if i really wanted my intercooler to be off center, but that wouldn't look so hot. So im just going the long route.

So can we get a pic of your FMIC in place, to get a general idea of where endtanks are?

 

[GSX_RCR]

Going around just takes more piping... more piping the more air has a chance to heat up, and slower spooling

Lag is minimal for the extra few feet of piping needed. And heat, well that really doesn't matter since it's pre-intercooler anyways.

I ran mine just like sbiggi, under the rad support. It hangs a little low, but still has plenty of clearance since I'm still on the stock suspension/height. I'm planning on just cutting a hole through the frame under the oil filter and routing it through there since I'm dumping my O2 out the side bumper too. I'll just have to put the wiper resevoir somewhere else.

 

[Newlogics]

Lag is minimal for the extra few feet of piping needed. And heat, well that really doesn't matter since it's pre-intercooler anyways.

Extra heat always matters. Intercooler can only reduce air temp by a set number of degrees. If air is hotter coming in, it'll be hotter coming out, no way around it.

 

[GSX_RCR]

Extra heat always matters. Intercooler can only reduce air temp by a set number of degrees. If air is hotter coming in, it'll be hotter coming out, no way around it.

You're talking about 3 feet of extra piping, at most. Please tell me how a few feet of piping equates to increased charge air temps? WTF

 

[mavisky]

You're talking about 3 feet of extra piping, at most. Please tell me how a few feet of piping equates to increased charge air temps? WTF

The extra distance alone isn't going to add heat, we're talking about your statement that heat doesn't matter because it's pre-intercooler. The closer you route the piping to the exhaust/turbo setup the more heat you'll transfer into the piping and into the air inside that piping. If the air is 500 degrees before entering the intercooler as opposed to 300 degrees (exaggerated numbers to prove a point) then obviously the 500 degree air will come out the other side of the intercooler at a hotter temp than the 300 degree air would as the fmic can only take so much heat out of the air as it passes through. Another problem is that the 500 degree air is also going to heatsoak the fmic faster as well.

 

[GSX_RCR]

I understand the effect of beginning charge air temperatures and how it effects the efficiency of an intercooler. But we're talking about the charge piping that is already heated up with compressed air to begin with. And in most instances, the charge temps are higher than the ambient temps surrounding it. So I ask again, how will an extra few feet of piping equate to increased charge temperatures?

 

[devioustsi]

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That is my ideal way of running a fmic....

Cast endtanks are better than any fabricated end tank and it is still very short route piping. Goodjob.

 

[buddahboost]

Well this is the most specific thread I can find.. I need help asap

I got a fmic piping kit off a ebay almost a year ago. I knew nothing about dsm's and now I know alot. Here is the same kit I got

eBay Motors: 90-94 Eclipse Turbo FMIC Intercooler Piping Kit 4G63/1G (item 260234018241 end time Apr-29-08 22:40:31 PDT)

I didn't know about long route and short route so I ####ed up there. I was finally putting everything on since I added some goodies and a fmic is necessary.

I won't be using the pipe with the bov cause I already have a hard IC there and its flanged for something else. I still got 1g bov

The IC measures about 8 tall x30 wide x2.5 thick. Without end tanks I believe. I bought it off someone on trader. not bad for 125 I guess

I removed everything and mounted the IC with rope and stuff for temp piping setup.

I put the crash bar on and I quickly realized I'm going to have to do a different route.
The piping hits the crash bar and in no way could I run it

So I decided to cut it. My biggest problem, is how the fck am I going to run it through the drivers side??

I don't like the idea of going under the car and it won't fit anyways without cutting the braces or whatever its called

I don't want to put a hole where the washer fluid is so I need some advice. I uploaded some pics with the piping I cut up

One is a 180 bent pipe but its not curvey enough to reach the area around the oil filter housing.

Second piping has a nice bend to it and I like how it sits. But I need to make a 45 or 90 degree angle so it faces the oil filter housing.

Can someone post up pics on how they ran their piping through the drivers side?

Or give me some advice. I would like to get it done soon since I got rid of the stock IC just so I can do this

 

[J-speed99]

If I were you I would cut your crash bar so that the piping doesn't need any modifications. I tried running the pipe straight through the drivers side and it took forever to cut a 2.5" hole through the unibody and I had to get rid of the washer res. I have since changed the piping to a short route.

 

[Icarus]

Check out ArcticTSI's setup. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/31508-gtr-r33-trust-fmic-1g-install.html I have a core very similar to his that I plan on installing in the next week or so and doing a writeup. I had the same questions when I decided that I didn't want to punch big ass holes in the front of my car. Hope that helps.