Evo!

[JRaptor2000]

Thinking about saving and getting the 2004 Evo instead of buying a GSX. What do you guys think about the evo? pros and cons?

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

They dyno at 240whp or so, to make a gsx/gst handle like an evo all your need plus the price of the car would still be ALOT cheaper than an evo. If you take a 1999 gsx(most exspensive) put springs struts sway bars and strut bars on it, spend 600 for safc 550 injectors and 190 pump(extremepsi) and a 14b or b16g, fmic, exhaust, ic pipes and intake....youll still spend less than an EVO youll be a little faster and handle a little better. Although the EVO steering is most likely the best system out there right now, I think with those mods the dsm should win everytime. Thats considering you buy the most exspensive DSM, buy a 97 or earlier and convert it if you want and youll spend ALOT less than that.

And like the above guy said the solid feel of a dsm is great. But if you want a warrenty and to deal with mitsu for the next few years then go right ahead. Id still take the dsm
Andrew

 

[killab443]

doesnt the evo have different internals? Cams, valves pistons and rods. Arent they built better. You will have more reliable hp in the evo. Not to say dsms cant handle it but evos come factory like that

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by killab443
doesnt the evo have different internals? Cams, valves pistons and rods. Arent they built better. You will have more reliable hp in the evo. Not to say dsms cant handle it but evos come factory like that

It's too early to tell yet. We didn't find out about the crank walk thing on the 2g's for a while after they were out. We'll have to give the Evo a few years of shakedown time to see if there are any long term issues.

You have to keep in mind Mitsu did a lot of things to reduce weight, including hollow camshafts and very thin windows. God knows where else they took weight from and how that will influince long term reliabilty.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by killab443
doesnt the evo have different internals? Cams, valves pistons and rods. Arent they built better. You will have more reliable hp in the evo. Not to say dsms cant handle it but evos come factory like that

Its a 4g63 turned around 180 degrees, 8.5:1 compression pistons, fmic, 16g like turbo, bugger injectors etc. etc. so basically its the same 2.0 4g63 block, same bore and stroke just different internals kinda like comparing a 1g and 2g 4g63.
Andrew

 

[ARTSUPRA]

In my opinion Evo is hella ghey:thumbdown and UGLY

4 door Sedan that looks like a hundai, not a sports car looks or anything, no even a sign of agression, just bit of power.

My suggestion go with WRX STI, alot better looking car, more HP stronger drive train and it will HOLD it's value like no Mitsu can

I'd get STI myself, but it's a 4 door as well, so not really my thing.

 

[heavyD]

Originally posted by ARTSUPRA
In my opinion Evo is hella ghey:thumbdown and UGLY

4 door Sedan that looks like a hundai, not a sports car looks or anything, no even a sign of agression, just bit of power.

My suggestion go with WRX STI, alot better looking car, more HP stronger drive train and it will HOLD it's value like no Mitsu can

I'd get STI myself, but it's a 4 door as well, so not really my thing.

STI's look better? That is a matter of opinion. Personally I think all WRX's look like shit. Stronger drivetrain? Haven't owned a WRX have you. It's cheaper to go through clutches than trannies. Cylinder #3 also fails prematurely as the turbo exhaust is plummed around that cylinder so it is always at a higher temp. than the other cylinders. I prefer the car that is just as fast, handles better, and has a 4G63.

 

[thekellbeast]

Originally posted by clownface
im not so sure that all of them are RWD, i think the late ones are FWD. but im not mr. 240sx.

They were ALL RWD. ALL of them. How many FWD mustangs have there been? Zero. How many RWD corvettes have there been? Zero. How many factory RWD civics have there been? Zero. See where I'm going with this?

 

[r.a. frank]

Originally posted by thekellbeast
How many RWD corvettes have there been? Zero.

Uhh....all vettes are RWD...

 

[TurBoGs-T]

Originally posted by r.a. frank
Uhh....all vettes are RWD...

I'm guessing typo.(i hope )

 

[ldstang50]

okay here we go
rx7s are 1.3L rotary motors. 2nd gen's were single turbo, 3rd gens sequential twin turbo's
there is no way an evo with exhaust boost controller and safc is putting down 360 to the wheels. i'm calling bs big time on this. i have boost cortoller set to 24lbs on mine, with a custom 3'' exhaust (no cat, muffler or resonator), aem short air intake, 700cc injectors, 255lph fuel pump all with a street tuned (dyno flashed computer) and i put down 286hp to the wheels with 307ft/lbs down there too. this with stock cams and downpipe.
as far as handling and breaking are concerned, the evo will run circles around the gsx. acceleration, with a couple of mods the gsx can get up there
yes they are having trouble with the clutches, but thats because many people don't know how to drive them. me, i have replace mine, i'm putting down too much power for the stock one to handle. if it werent' for the mods my clutch would easily be capable of another 13k mi.
exterior styling is a matter of one's personal opinion. i like the evo better, i think the 2g's look like girl cars, although i wouldn't reject it if i won one. the interior is no match, i'm all evo, its bigger and more comfortable. if i were you, wait another 6mos to a year and get a used one. granted its gonna be really hard to find one that hasn't been abused, but there will be some out there.

 

[JRaptor2000]

yea, i have a crappy vw right now and my dad won't co-sign for a loan so i can't get a new car til i'm 18 now which isn't til august.

 

[njshift]

Originally posted by teme
anything with 4 doors is considered family car

I'll keep that in mind next time I get smoked by a E55, M5, or RS6..

When looking to buy a evo I'm more concerned about overall performance not whether or not it has nice interior, "solid feeling doors", or the number of doors for that matter. I would be looking at the engine which so far seems to be very well built and much stronger then that of a 7bolt. It has an excellent suspenion and brake set up. The STI is badass also, however, the EJ25 is not a proven powerplant like the 4g63. Anyway, if you can score one of these or a gsx for the right price I would definately grab it. There's no need to explain why a dsm is a good car and its excellent potential to be better. The reason I got a dsm was because of its price. If I could have afforded to buy an Evo I would have without any question. There's so many factors when choosing a car I think I just confused myself more... GOOD LUCK!

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by ldstang50
. i like the evo better, i think the 2g's look like girl cars, although i wouldn't reject it if i won one. the interior is no match, i'm all evo, its bigger and more comfortable. if i were you, wait another 6mos to a year and get a used one. granted its gonna be really hard to find one that hasn't been abused, but there will be some out there.

tell me how a sports car or sporty coupe is a girlie car???? U mean come on buddy.
Andrew

 

[ldstang50]

i didn't say girlie car. i said it looks like a girls car. to me in MY opinion (i'm not bashing anyone here) thats what they are. I like the way they look don't get me wrong. I just dont' feel that stock out of the box, the 2gs dont' have a mean aggresive look to them. thats just my opinion

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by njshift
, "solid feeling doors", or the number of doors for that matter. I would be looking at the engine which so far seems to be very well built and much stronger then that of a 7bolt.

I wpould rather sacrifice some straight line performance for a solid feeling car. nothing scared me more then speeding over 100mp in my old heavily modded civic. doing alot more than that in my stock dsm that is older and has stock suspension. DSM's feel very solid at any speed and just have a great ffel to them(not the best but for the price and age unbelieveable).
Andrew

 

[JRaptor2000]

i like the look of the eclipse but i also like the look of a modded 240, the problem is, gotta spend 14 grand to make a 240 fast while for a gsx you spend 9 and you've got a fast car stock. gsx looks heluva lot better than a 240 too, both cars are so damn rare tho.

 

[njshift]

Originally posted by DSMeclipse4G63
I wpould rather sacrifice some straight line performance for a solid feeling car. nothing scared me more then speeding over 100mp in my old heavily modded civic. doing alot more than that in my stock dsm that is older and has stock suspension. DSM's feel very solid at any speed and just have a great ffel to them(not the best but for the price and age unbelieveable).
Andrew

What does a solid interior have to do with how a car handles at high speed? I was talking about interior, not how "solid" the car felt at high speed. Isn't the Evo a much more advanced platform then that of a 2g dsm anyway? What do you mean by "solid feeling"??

 

[killab443]

i didn't say girlie car. i said it looks like a girls car. to me in MY opinion (i'm not bashing anyone here) thats what they are. I like the way they look don't get me wrong. I just dont' feel that stock out of the box, the 2gs dont' have a mean aggresive look to them. thats just my opinion

So i guess when your on the street and u see a 2g you say hey that car belongs to a girl...cuz its a girls car and all?

 

[Satori]

The Evo actually feels better at speeds over 100 than a stock 2g Eclipse. For around town driving the DSM's are much classier inside and out.

I understand what you mean by the 2g looking kind of girl's car-ish, but it's still one of the most sexy shapes on the road today IMHO. I prefer how they look to the Evo by far. But I didn't buy the Evo to win beauty contests.

I didn't buy it to have a dragster either or I'd have gone with a Supra TT or an old hotrod. I just wanted this car I'd read about in my price range that handles as well as, or better than, some of the super-cars I used to dream about that had performance I thought I'd never be able to afford. Everything else was secondary. The fact that it’s also a nice, practical little family sedan is actually somewhat of a bonus to me, but I’d have bought it anyway – practical or not.

 

[tylerdurden801]

Speed and acceleration are one thing, and handling is entirely another. You would have to completely reengineer the 2g to get close to an EVO handling wise. It isn't gonna be just a spring and shock type job, nor even a coilover job. You will need a complete, well-engineered system such as RRE's JIC setup with tuning by Mr. Mueller. That, with new tires on wider wheels, a big brake package, and about $2500 in engine mods and then you'd be ahead of the EVO performance wise. All told you'd be about $7k into a 2g to get EVO beating performance, plus the cost of the car. So for about half the price of the EVO you get a faster, better handling car, and the pride of knowing you built something a little more unique.

I'd still get the EVO though.

 

[ldstang50]

Originally posted by killab443
So i guess when your on the street and u see a 2g you say hey that car belongs to a girl...cuz its a girls car and all?

if thats the way you want to take it then ya. i already said, i don't think they have a mean manly look to them. but i did say i think they look good.

 

[swarm]

I don't want to be flamed, so save it if you're going to.

I know two people with EVO's in Great Falls, MT.... and I drive a stock '95 TSi with a new motor as of 20k ago... anyhow, i only lose by a half a car to either of these evo's... they run similar times and the drivers DO know how to drive them pretty well..


The EVO out-handles my car by far... but I don't see the big rave about them, give me $5000 and i'll destroy one.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Originally posted by njshift
What does a solid interior have to do with how a car handles at high speed? I was talking about interior, not how "solid" the car felt at high speed. Isn't the Evo a much more advanced platform then that of a 2g dsm anyway? What do you mean by "solid feeling"??

I am kinda ashamed to admit this but I have driven my DSM at speeds over 130mph and the car felt very solid; i.e no shakes rattles or any signs of giving up handling power pull or anything. It felt stable and very assured at those speeds, I was just merely going off what the above guy with an evo said.
Andrew

 

[Satori]

I didn’t say the car felt more “solid” at high speeds. I was talking about the interior fit and finish, the build quality or the impression of build quality. For those reasons the DSM feels like it has more class.

I said the Evo was more stable at high speed than my GS-T was, meaning handling. At the time I got my DSM up to those speeds I still had the stock brakes on as well, so braking at those speeds felt weak and I’m sure that influenced my impression of its high speed handling capabilities. After I upgraded to 2 piston calipers and bigger rotors I didn’t have the chance to do any high speeds for any length of time but I’m sure it would have added a lot to the experience.

 

[Powers_Vang]

:thumbdown I don't like the look of the EVO.
I would like my Spyder to have the EVO engine & drivetrain setup.
Only bought my Spyder because it was a Spyder...best I could think of at the time. I4 Turbo.
30Gs? Why get a DSM...No resale value.
I might get flamed for saying that but its true.
<=== I've owned many. Still love em but its the truth.
:laugh: If I had 30Gs I'd get an NSX. But then again, I think you're talking about a loan. :laugh:
Just my two cents.