Evo X bolt on manifold

[Cdc1221]

I second this^. At the same time, yes evo 8 turbos are cheap, right now. Not so much if the demand for them increases, which would happen if someone devised a cheap bolt on mani for them. Same with the evo x. There just arent that many used evo 8-10 turbos on the market

 

[agentorange313]

Biggest issue with the EVO X charger is the crazy compressor cover. That may be the big crutch in the setup. I am going to mess with an J pipe to make sure we can make one that works.

ditch the cover , run dsm td05 or td06 style compressor housing. I know that means extra work, machining a cover to fit the assortment of evo 10 wheels.

 

[RWD4G63]

I second this^. At the same time, yes evo 8 turbos are cheap, right now. Not so much if the demand for them increases, which would happen if someone devised a cheap bolt on mani for them. Same with the evo x. There just arent that many used evo 8-10 turbos on the market

I don't think this would manifold/dump combo would be exactly "cheap". More for the person looking for the ultimate daily/weekend warrior setup.

 

[bastarddsm]

Jesus, it's like 5 monkeys trying to fu(k a football in here.

1. EVO8 turbo's - point em the other way (like on an EVO), put the filter on the other side of the bay, and ditch the maf for SD or a MAFT. What is so hard about that? There is absolutely no reason you need to run a fancy manifold just so it points the right way.

2. Cut the damn donkey dick off, weld an elbow on it, clock the housing, and make new mounts for the WGA. Whats so hard about that? Oh wait we are dsmers, and we need to half ass it, make it way too complicated and still look like fu(k.

 

[RWD4G63]

EVO X turbos are the same price as a EVO 8/9. You can not run 2 fans with that setup. The gate is in a PITA position to work on. The outlet to the turbine is too low to allow a bolt on o2 housing. I can go on and on why I want to use an EVO 10 charger. The price may vary, thats why it is called an estimate....

So do it differently then they did. Your setup is going to hit the rad as-is...

Jesus, it's like 5 monkeys trying to fu(k a football in here.

2. Cut the damn donkey dick off, weld an elbow on it, clock the housing, and make new mounts for the WGA. Whats so hard about that? Oh wait we are dsmers, and we need to half ass it, make it way too complicated and still look like fu(k.

The point is to make it cheap and effective. We're not talking about a one-off setup here, we're talking about the feasibility of a bolt-on kit. Every modification adds to the cost and complexity of the kit, not everyone can weld their own stuff, and there's no sense in paying $2k to put a stock 10 charger on your car...

 

[Cdc1221]

I cant see where the cost vs gain is at, unless one were to say screw the e10 charger and jump straight into a black. If THAT were the case, then yes definitely. Although im sure there would still only be a very limited number of dsmers out there willing to drop $4k on a turbo setup like that

 

[LaserRS92]

Hence the option of a cast manifold option for those of you who don't want a quality tubular hot parts kit. I hope you guys make this kit anyway...

 

[91stocker]

Where are you guys getting the numbers from? He said about $1300 for the kit, 250-300 for the turbo. How many "true" bolt on set ups are there that make 500hp and cost 1600 or less?

 

[viperlp01]

Before people got all butt hurt the entire point of this setup was to be bolt on. In any form of twin scroll EVO charger. Having said that it seem like we are in a catch 22. If we use the evo 8/9 setup it pushes stuff all over the place not making it seem possible to use the dsm downpipe. The evo 10 chargers position makes it possible to make a pretty simple O2 housing but the damn turkey neck makes it impossible to make a simple Jpipe. Only solution to the 10 charger is cut the neck off and weld on a new 2 bolt flange to run a simple j pipe off of it but being that the wastegate mounts right there is may be too close to make it work. It seems like there is a lot of excitement about it and then we have a handful of haters that think they have all the answers.

FWIW you will have less than 1300 for the manifold and o2 housing. Another 300 for the turbo. So roughly 1600 bucks.

You can buy a FP race manifold for 200-300 bucks, Hx35 for 300 bucks, BEP housing for 300 bucks, Tial wastegate for 250 bucks, Punishment o2 housing for 300 bucks, oil feed and drain for 80 bucks. So with that setup your at about 1230ish.

Or you can buy a fp race manifold for 200-300 bucks, and buy a FP Green. red, or 71HTA for 1000 bucks and be at 1200-1300. Which will make more power than a bolt on Evo 10 charger and at least the same or more than the HX35 setups and have better or similar spool.

With this huge paragraph coming to an end I got about 4 pm's from people wanting them which I have no issue making one off stuff for people. I don't see this being a huge hit. If people really want this setup please send me a pm. We have a Dyno being install at the end of the month so I am going to be seriously busy and need a push to work on this setup from here on out.

 

[RWD4G63]

No hate here, just trying to provide some constructive criticism.

 

[Cdc1221]

Where are you guys getting the numbers from? He said about $1300 for the kit, 250-300 for the turbo. How many "true" bolt on set ups are there that make 500hp and cost 1600 or less?

I was talking 4k for the bolton kit with a black. Umm, holset, or a t3 setup. There are cheaper options. Granted none with the spool times of a evo turbo. Trust me, im loving my e8 setup, but then i only paid $80 for the turbo with the o2 housing and mani, and i fabbed up the header and downpipe myself.

 

[marcman804]

Go for it! Eff the haters!

 

[Cdc1221]

No hate john. I actually know very little about most turbos. +1 on the constructive criticism. I actually love the idea as far as being able to just buy the kit and bolt up the black. I have to wonder though, how upgradable is the e10 as far as different comp wheels?

 

[viperlp01]

The evo 10 charger upgrades to a 65 lb/min wheel. I have some stuff coming to modify. If its not that big of a deal for you guys to send me your compressor cover to mod so this thing is bolt on. I have 2 guys that want one for sure so I might as well make the some and see how it goes.

 

[Dyesuperman]

The evo 10 charger upgrades to a 65 lb/min wheel. I have some stuff coming to modify. If its not that big of a deal for you guys to send me your compressor cover to mod so this thing is bolt on. I have 2 guys that want one for sure so I might as well make the some and see how it goes.

Would this be an extra charge on top of the price of the kit? Or included? And are there not regular downfiring compressor housing covers that will bolt onto it? That would simplify things as well

 

[viperlp01]

I talked to FP about compressor covers and it will be at least an extra 150 bucks for the cover when I can modify this one for cheap.

 

[mchustle]

For the intake I think a simple answer would be to make a flange that will bolt onto the comp housing and weld a small pipe, then all you have to do is intake-coupler-adapter- turbo. Seems like a cheap and easy fix to that.
Now for the housing itself cut that stupid neck or whatever it is down and weld a 2 bolt flange and fab an easy j pipe to work, and if it interferes with the iwg say screw it and when you fab the o2 make it an external wg setup. I personally would do it this way and keep it open dump, and have an option for people like me that hate external dump for a recirc o2 for an extra charge.

The only downside I can think of would be some people would cry because they had to get an external gate, but most who would be interested would already have a gate IMHO. The other downside would be the housing modification would lose the "Bolt-on" because they would have to follow instructions on how to weld the new jpipe flange, or you could offer them to send you their comp housing to get modified. One last thing I can think of to leave it a bolt on affair would be include a modified comp housing in the kit and offer a core refund for their housing if they choose.

You are the expert here though all this is just as an outsider looking in. Good luck seems like a nice upgrade for the Dsm crowd if you get it all worked out.

 

[94awdcoupe]

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good to see someone tackle this project. but I cant bite my tongue. there are lots of decisions to be made when tackling this conversion.

1. manifold. cast or tubular. personally would like to see a cast manifold made. would appeal to much larger crowd. more reliable and more practical. the demo graph is the guy who picks up evo X turbo for cheap and wants to use it on his dsm. 1000 for a tubular is not exciting. plus a cast can be kept more compact. manifold makers never seem to do the smart thing. use a small mirage engine compartment for fitting. larger audience can use it and 1g 2g guys will be thrilled with all the space they gain. full size fans possible for those wanting to have A/C.

2. don't modify compressor cover or any part of turbo so it cant be later used on evo X. not smart at all. and not necessary.

3. forget 02 housing that mates to factor downpipe position. best to make three parts. manifold, wategate, and downpipe. three part bolt in affair.

just absolutely love the setup I have made for my car. was hands down the coolest mod I have ever done in my heavily modded 15 year 4g63 life.

 

[gprix1]

94awdcoupe,
Did you use an Evo X manifold and weld a DSM flange to it?

 

[Sirnixalot]

just throwing this out there....if you use the Evo 3 compressor wheel and compressor housing then all this compressor side plumbing crap is made moot

That being said that's just another expense to add to doing this.

Also just a note, I had to make a 3D profile on the wastegate outlet to cut down on boost creep with the internal wastegate.
Again, not pretty but very functional

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I just realized i copied the thumbnail links in from photobuckets new funky layout

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There is no way that i could get the down firing outlet and re-positioned actuator to work with a stock location radiator much less radiator fans. Keeping in mind this is in an Evo 3 engine bay.

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The intake is relatively easy depending on the cold pipe routing. a flange with an aluminum 2.5 to 3" reducer and two 3" 45 bends

I will stop posting pictures now
I can't wait to see what you come up with

 

[turbosax2]

1. manifold. cast or tubular. personally would like to see a cast manifold made. would appeal to much larger crowd. more reliable and more practical. the demo graph is the guy who picks up evo X turbo for cheap and wants to use it on his dsm. 1000 for a tubular is not exciting. plus a cast can be kept more compact. manifold makers never seem to do the smart thing. use a small mirage engine compartment for fitting. larger audience can use it and 1g 2g guys will be thrilled with all the space they gain. full size fans possible for those wanting to have A/C.

2. don't modify compressor cover or any part of turbo so it cant be later used on evo X. not smart at all. and not necessary.

3. forget 02 housing that mates to factor downpipe position. best to make three parts. manifold, wategate, and downpipe. three part bolt in affair.

just absolutely love the setup I have made for my car. was hands down the coolest mod I have ever done in my heavily modded 15 year 4g63 life.

Completely agreed on all points. Props to you, excellent execution on that! I hope to do something similar.

 

[agentorange313]

Hey John, hows it coming along?

 

[viperlp01]

Waiting for material to show up. I need to get a head flange and the 1.25in pipe.

 

[Funfettie]

The flanges for the EVO 8-10 are the same but the rotation is what changes. The rotation and design of the Evo 10 charger is the same as the DSM where the Evo 8/9 charger is backwards for our normal turbo position unless you take some crazy modifications to make it fit. Bolt on twin scroll turbo that can go from 400 in stock form to 850+ with FP stuff.

I believe all you have to do is mill a custom compressor cover, and the evo8/9 turbo will fit in a dsm. and build a downpipe/o2 housing. heres a few blurry pictures of my Evo9 10.5 split port turbo on my 2g gsx. its also a MAP ef4 too, meaning the cold side is hogged out to fit a much larger compressor blade making it capable of 600whp or more.

I can get more pics soon if anyone would like.

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[agentorange313]

not to doubt you buddy, but those pictures don't represent a evo 8/9 style turbo.

This is an evo9 turbo (or 8 not exactly sure), but the orientation of the turbo inlet, differs from the evo 10.

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Notice how the longer "ear" of the flange is located on the bottom right, if viewed from above. In your picture of the manifold, if viewed with the flange facing down, the mounting ear would be on the wrong side of the flange.

If you had an evo 8/9 turbo with the hotside oriented to be on the driver side, like in DSMs, the turbo would have to sit this way.;

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All the those SAT questions of rotating images and figures just came in handy .

More interesting than anything else, is that manifold. It seems to me to have an 4g63 style exhaust flange, and an evo 10 turbo flange. Did MAP make your manifold?