evo 8/9 manifold/turbo on dsm pics?

[ThunderChild]

to revive this a bit everyone, i will be pickup up an 04 evo 8 turbo, mani, o2 housing and some tid-bits with it this saturday. im just trading him other crap i dont need, so ill get some fitment pics maybe soon.

i havent updated my build thread in a while, and it seems never ending that ill ever get the extra scratch to buy my damn wheel bearings....

but we will see. im also trying to do another dyno class this summer, but i have 200 to get for that before next week so...idk if thatll happen.

neway, ill update with some pics as soon as i get the stuff and some time to test fit it.

some custom SS water and oil lines and it should be good

 

[Cdc1221]

Might be able to use your s16g lines. I just bent mine back the other way

 

[ThunderChild]

I might, but we have a place here that can do custom hoses for dirt cheap.

Picked it up, its nice! Has an egt bung in the exh. Its a 9.8t housing, but super good condition. I'll get some pics of it mocked up early this next week and some pics of it all tonight.

edit:

heres pics of what i acquired

so, i believe its been mentioned before, the compressor housing hits be BS bump in the block and the water pipe.

one would need approx a 1.5 inch spacer to clear both pieces, and i believe you may still need to run a different water pipe/line configuration. not insurmountable, but definitely not a weekend project or for someone without a shop at their disposal.

i get free machine work at the local college, just have to pay for materials or used bits, so im going to locate some steel stock and have a spacer flange cut on the plasma table, and locate some longer, larger diameter exhaust studs.

the o2 housing will clear the stock cross member, so you would just need a downpipe that matches up.

ill be running a front exit exhaust anyway, so the isnt a big deal. the o2 flange on the turbo is actually pointed at the exact spot i was planning on routing my front exit, so no serious bends will be apparent.

custom oil and water lines will be done, and the turbo inlet shouldnt be a problem.

i will weld a 1g flange on the hot pipe and recirc right to the turbo inlet.

so all in all, some custom stuff, but nothing that is rocket science or extremely pricey. im going to estimate about 450-500 bux max without machine shop work.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=130871684503

 

[Cdc1221]

Actually, the extreme psi head oil feed line for an evo will work. Plenty long enough and its only $30

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Still using the line and one drain piece from my eBay install kit firva 14b. Had to drill out the Restrictor though. You can use the coolant lines fit the evo turbo.

 

[94awdcoupe]

such a struggle to get evo8 turbo on. I see nothing but huge comprimizes. like waaaay to close to radiator if you flip it. and loosing power steering pump if you dont. = cluster fuuuuuk

evo 10 turbos are nearly as cheap. buy tubular mani. chop off inlet flange and weld on dsm head flange. then buy the meagan x 02 housing and reorient the outlet angle. = fantastic setup

 

[Black95TSIawd]

http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=130871684503

This is useless and ruins the twin scroll affect. I don't know about you guys, but without the twin scroll, swapping to any evo turbo is pointless.

 

[camfast]

such a struggle to get evo8 turbo on. I see nothing but huge comprimizes. like waaaay to close to radiator if you flip it. and loosing power steering pump if you dont. = cluster fuuuuuk

evo 10 turbos are nearly as cheap. buy tubular mani. chop off inlet flange and weld on dsm head flange. then buy the meagan x 02 housing and reorient the outlet angle. = fantastic setup

I agree the Evo 8 setup looks like a nightmare for fitment.

Your X setup was sick and pretty much at budget. Im contemplating different ideas since i have an auto/stock converter and this is probably the most feasible way to do it.

 

[ThunderChild]

Cost wise, I'm into the evo turbo, Mani and o2 housing for about $2 in gas money, it was a trade. The spacer I've already priced and will be about $80 for it and bolts/studs (machine shop friend, will ###### be more under normal conditions).

As for the trouble to do the swap, it is definitely not everyones cup of tea, as alt relocation and loss of power steering isnt exactly sought after. I however had already planned both modifications and am not "losing" anything. Later on, I may look into a couple electric power steering options that I'm privy too.

Overall this shouldn't be very expensive and will be fairly niche. 500 bux is an over estimation on my part due to having connections and doing some of the fan myself.

We will see how it does, I'm expecting good results w/o too much grief. Obviously it wouldn't be viable for someone wanting to keep all options

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

This is useless and ruins the twin scroll affect. I don't know about you guys, but without the twin scroll, swapping to any evo turbo is pointless.

Did you even look at it correctly? It keeps it twin scroll. There is no circle opening on the bottom like the other flange. This rotates the turbo on the evo mani. I wouldn't and didn't lose anything for my install. Still power steering and alt same place.

 

[94awdcoupe]

Cost wise, I'm into the evo turbo, Mani and o2 housing for about $2 in gas money, it was a trade. The spacer I've already priced and will be about $80 for it and bolts/studs (machine shop friend, will ###### be more under normal conditions).

As for the trouble to do the swap, it is definitely not everyones cup of tea, as alt relocation and loss of power steering isnt exactly sought after. I however had already planned both modifications and am not "losing" anything. Later on, I may look into a couple electric power steering options that I'm privy too.

Overall this shouldn't be very expensive and will be fairly niche. 500 bux is an over estimation on my part due to having connections and doing some of the fan myself.

We will see how it does, I'm expecting good results w/o too much grief. Obviously it wouldn't be viable for someone wanting to keep all options

you remind of the days every week some newbie would ask "would it be practical to convert my 2g non turbo to turbo?" the obvious answer always was " no. sell your car and buy the turbo model"

makes no sense to me to do it the wrong way because you got some parts for free, I own a twin scroll evo x on my evo 1. my raditor sits 3 inches closer to the turbo than your talon. yet I have original power steering, original alternator, and two full size fans that allow my a/c to blow cold in 95 degree florida heat. the setup is an absolute monster cool modification to the dsm platform. but it doesnt have to be done making stupid sacrifices. my setup made 460whp at 22psi, and a mind bending 400tq by 3700rpm.

amazing to me how quickly people set out to botch modify their car

sorry for the rant. carry on

 

[ThunderChild]

94awdcoupe-

I appreciate that you don't approve of my venture here. Different strokes for different folks.

The mods I have done were completed and decided by me LONG before I decided to try the evo turbo. It was a personal preference for me. I don't expect everyone to like or understand why I'm doing this.

Your build was actually what spurred me on. I think your setup is great, and u did fantastic work on it. Its just not how I wanted to do it. My mods may seem like compromises to you, but to me they are fine and practical.

Keep in mind I live in the NW, so a/c is not a necessity. I've had been it one 3 cars I've owned, and never used it. Power steering, I've had it on two cars and I always preferred my non PS vehicles. My 87 yota with 35s has manual steering and I love it. An alternator relocation is somewhat preventative for our apps so they don't get cooked (or drenched by an often leaky PS pump)

If u feel the need to make rash comments about the "mods" I've done to my vehicle, then I'd preferto have them done through pm. I look up to you and the setup you have for your car, i think its awesome. For the future tho, id appreciate terms such as noob and botch modify out of this thread.

Not everyone enjoys the same thing, beauty of free will and being a car enthusiast.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

You should really look into the adapter I posted. Its been used and works. The first one made and used is in a thread the guy made on here.

 

[94awdcoupe]

I am not posting to bash by any means. I spent a tonne of time documenting the swap to HELP others. I had both evo 8 and evo 10 turbos at hand before I started the swap. The evo 10 swap is soo much better idea the 8/9 swap should not even be considered. This is not really even my opinion, but a fact considering all the pros and cons of both.

imagine the responses one would get on the evolution forums. If say someone asked if he should use a free evo 9 turbo on his evo X.

For DSM use one turbo is configured correctly. one is not. neither is a bolt on and both require a tonne of modding to make work. like I said just trying to help. If anyone in here should have good advice it should be from someone who has actually dont the swap.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Here is pix of my install. Just now.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Some more

 

[ThunderChild]

I am not posting to bash by any means. I spent a tonne of time documenting the swap to HELP others. I had both evo 8 and evo 10 turbos at hand before I started the swap. The evo 10 swap is soo much better idea the 8/9 swap should not even be considered. This is not really even my opinion, but a fact considering all the pros and cons of both.

imagine the responses one would get on the evolution forums. If say someone asked if he should use a free evo 9 turbo on his evo X.

For DSM use one turbo is configured correctly. one is not. neither is a bolt on and both require a tonne of modding to make work. like I said just trying to help. If anyone in here should have good advice it should be from someone who has actually dont the swap.

I can completely understand. I'm just not doing it that way

MJcanada-

That's a very nice looking install, is that manifold customized to tilt toward the block? It looks so, makes for quite a bit more space.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Yes it is pretty close to the block. If I remade it there are places for improvement. Turbo needs rotate a few degrees more. But it clears things pretty good. I actually just switched to a short route setup.

 

[ThunderChild]

Very nice! I'm slowly working on getting the spacer made. Parts are pretty cheap, steel stock is 30 per foot and the studs will be a out 80. Very behind at this point so I'm trying not to spend money I don't have to ATM. Hoping to get caught up soon and finish the rest of the car and other stuff soon.

Talked to a local exhaust shop and he said shouldn't be more than 250 for parts and labor to fab me up a front exit. A band setup to change between a muffler and straight pipe would be another 100. I can also have him bend the pipe for a 3" back for about 100 and weld that myself.

School money will help with some of this, but I'm trying to earn as much as I can this summer and get my bills in check. Mostly I need a better paying job.

 

[ThunderChild]

little update: the spacer is being made as we speak. after talking to the machinist we are going to try an aluminum spacer to start, and if it presents problems, switch to a steel one.

past that i just need some longer studs, and a fmic kit.

will also be running an evo 8 ecu with evoscan, hoping to get some time here in the next month or two so i can start putting the car together. after initial break-in and making sure all is well, ill fab up the kit on another motor.

in the mean time to help fund things, ill be fixing up a 95 3kgt my buddy sold me for cheap, and flipping it.

 

[Seamus]

If your handy with fabrication and welding, you can probably build yourself a manifold and o2 housing that will fit and mod intercooler piping and keep the costs reasonable. But there's also plenty ofl 375-400whp+ dsm style 16gs out there already.. I don't see the point in trying to reinvent the wheel when you can just slap a evo3 16g on a ported 2g manifold and get very similar results.

I think a big point you are missing is the availability of divided housings. If you want to run a divided setup, you basically forced to run a medium to large turbo. Even newer "performance" turbos like the efr's aren't offering divded housings in the smaller turbos as far as I am aware. So if you are someone who wants say 350hp and you want to use a divided setup, you don't really have any choices for an appropriately sized turbo. These oem turbos on these newer cars are the only small divided turbos available. Also, the large divided housing on an Evo 16g has serious pump gas advantages over a dsm 16g which you feel is just as good. Not everyone wants to run a 50lb/min turbo.

 

[94awdcoupe]

anyone actually using evo TS on a DSM or is everyone still in the project stage?

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

anyone actually using evo TS on a DSM or is everyone still in the project stage?

I used it for a long time. Motor was injured though so it's down right now. Turbo setup is still bolted together and I'm sure I have pix of it on my page fb.com/dsmrevival. Doing a 2.4l swap and then will be putting the evo 8 setup back on.

 

[ThunderChild]

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i have the spacer now, i need to port match it to the head and manifold some, and grab some longer studs. still in the project stage for me but its creeping along.

ill get some pics of the spacer soon. just dont have much time to work on it lately, trying to spend my time actually assembling the car when im not working or helping other ppl out.