Evo X bolt on manifold

[dsmpat95]

It may be a great autocross setup for SM class.

 

[marcman804]

This would be an great and somewhat cheaper alternative. I would definitely be interested.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

What are the options for intake pipes?

 

[viperlp01]

Working on intake options. Evo X chargers have a bolt on intake pipe. We can make something that works off that piece. I will have to check it out.

 

[agentorange313]

FWIW the Dsmshootout is no longer going to have a DST class. Instead they will have a SAT(stock appearing turbo) class. Buschur said that any stock appearing charger from any mitsubishi will be allowed. So to be competitive you have to run an EVO(ct9a or later) style charger.

Does the wastegate have to be stock? If not turbosmart makes a well priced alternative from FPs HP(high pressure) wastegate.

If the wastegate needs to be stock appearing, FP has us covered.
Forced Performance Turbochargers: FP Evo X High Pressure Wastegate Actuator

 

[viperlp01]

I don't think wastegate is a big deal. I am sure you could run external if you wanted to.

 

[white92talontsi]

Quote from sparktech:
The record doesnt count because it was done with a 10.5:1 2.4 that used GSC 156mm rods on a tuesday and thats not a 4G63 its a 4G64....

Who cares what turbine housing was on it. The charger still made over 800 hp regardless of any "compressor wheel/turbine housing" mods. Still 750+ is more than most will ever want to reach.

We made 748 on a Single Scroll FP black. The 815WHP was not on a FP black it was on a experimental stock appearing turbo Robert from FP made and needed a tester.

Yes the engine is a 2.4 Long rod and it very efficient but it is still a 4G so it does not matter like you stated.

At 38-40 PSI the FP black wont last a real long time honestly.

I will be putting a new FP black on the car this week but as far as records we are done with pushing the stock frame.

I will tell you this. Being a builder of Evo's and seeing first hand and daily driving a FP black car that runs 10.3's all day long it is a badass turbo. I have been trying to tell people for a long time that it would be a great setup on a DSM the only issue is cost but if you can afford it then I think it is well worth it.


And that 815hp turbo was pretty much a HTA3586 stuffed in a FP Black compressor coverwith a .91 A/R twinscroll backside

 

[Michael@FP]

Don't forget about the oil drain flange on a X turbo is clocked. It's the same bolt spacing as an EVO IX/DSM turbo so it'll be easy to overcome but just one more thing you'll have to add to your kit if you're to try and sell to the DSM crowd.

-Michael

 

[Michael@FP]

Don't forget about the oil drain flange on a X turbo is clocked. It's the same bolt spacing as an EVO IX/DSM turbo so it'll be easy to overcome but just one more thing you'll have to add to your kit if you're to try and sell to the DSM crowd.

-Michael

 

[gprix1]

I am definately interested in this setup!

 

[95talongirl]

I like this! Wuld also be interested in a setup like this fir the future!

 

[Steve93Talon]

This would be interesting to try:

Forced Performance Turbochargers: MHI TF06-18K

 

[LaserRS92]

Very interested in this. Eagerly awaiting updates and starting a savings account now!! Ha

 

[bastarddsm]

Don't forget about the oil drain flange on a X turbo is clocked. It's the same bolt spacing as an EVO IX/DSM turbo so it'll be easy to overcome but just one more thing you'll have to add to your kit if you're to try and sell to the DSM crowd.

-Michael

Maybe you guys could work with these guys and make compressor covers for these that would be more dsm friendly.....


All in all, while a black on a dsm might work really really good, I don't see many of these selling. A $2300 FP Black cost more than 90% of all dsm's are worth, then you still need a $1300 manifold setup!

$1300 is a bit much to spend on a manifold to run a stock frame turbo imho. You'd have much better success finding someone to cast you some evoX mani's with a dsm flange that you could sell for $200. Wouldn't be that hard to make a pattern for it.

 

[RWD4G63]

Why not do this but for the Evo 8/9 turbo? It has a much more normal compressor cover and clocking, and all of the same upgradeability.

 

[LaserRS92]

I like the idea of a cast twin scroll manifold idea for the evo x turbo on dsm. Maybe FP would be interested??

 

[viperlp01]

Why not do this but for the Evo 8/9 turbo? It has a much more normal compressor cover and clocking, and all of the same upgradeability.

Reverse rotation

 

[bastarddsm]

Reverse rotation

For guys running SD or blow thru this actually isn't that big of a deal It's a pain running a intake pipe and a uicp in that area. Putting the air cleaner on the other side would be awesome.

 

[agentorange313]

Maybe you guys could work with these guys and make compressor covers for these that would be more dsm friendly.....


All in all, while a black on a dsm might work really really good, I don't see many of these selling. A $2300 FP Black cost more than 90% of all dsm's are worth, then you still need a $1300 manifold setup!

$1300 is a bit much to spend on a manifold to run a stock frame turbo imho. You'd have much better success finding someone to cast you some evoX mani's with a dsm flange that you could sell for $200. Wouldn't be that hard to make a pattern for it.

I agree, its hard for me to spend 2300 when on a turbo when i bought my car for around that much, plus my suspension needs work. Thats why i will most likely stick with a journal bearing set up like the HTA71 or make an old school garrett hybrid like the red or green.

As far as a the cast manifold 94AWDcoupe modified a evo cast manifold by cutting off the flange and welding a DSM/evo flange. I like this idea also, I have always been a fan of cast manifold.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/323777-1st-twin-scroll-20g-dsm-evo-10-turbo.html

Why not do this but for the Evo 8/9 turbo? It has a much more normal compressor cover and clocking, and all of the same upgradeability.

Its been done

Reverse orientation turbo (mirrior image compressor and turbine wheel)

Would have to be mounted in opposite direction

Smaller hotside 10.5cm2 vs 12cm2


EDIT: The inlet tube for the evo x turbo, can it be clocked in any direction, I know it has three bolts that hold it on, can it be rotated and then bolted on?

 

[RWD4G63]

Reverse rotation

This doesn't matter when making a custom manifold and dump. Put it the other direction.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Why not do this but for the Evo 8/9 turbo? It has a much more normal compressor cover and clocking, and all of the same upgradeability.

I'm working on this

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Reverse rotation

That really honestly doesn't matter that much.

 

[viperlp01]

Reverse rotation has been done before. It puts everything in a weird location. Why not just run a tradition rotation so the turbine housing gets tucked up to the block and everything is normal and the possibility to run a normal radiator and fan setup be easily achieved.

 

[RWD4G63]

Reverse rotation has been done before. It puts everything in a weird location. Why not just run a tradition rotation so the turbine housing gets tucked up to the block and everything is normal and the possibility to run a normal radiator and fan setup be easily achieved.

Because it costs too much and no one will buy it. You're going to need to fabricate a bolt-on intake, and a long hot pipe that goes over the manifold. The wastegate interferes with trying to modify the compressor outlet.

You'd have to modify it like this on every turbo:

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And I don't think it will clear the rad that way either.

Evo 8 turbos are much cheaper than Evo 10's.

Tuck the turbine housing up against the block and use 1.25 piping that you can wrap around on itself. J-pipe and intake are then easy, and easy means less money for you to fab, and less money for everyone else to pay, which makes the product more marketable.

If you made a very short-runner manifold (closer to a stock Evo 8) you could rotate the whole turbo inwards and have basically OEM fitment as far as clearances go.

It's been done before. I think you guys can do it better than this:

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[viperlp01]

EVO X turbos are the same price as a EVO 8/9. You can not run 2 fans with that setup. The gate is in a PITA position to work on. The outlet to the turbine is too low to allow a bolt on o2 housing. I can go on and on why I want to use an EVO 10 charger. The price may vary, thats why it is called an estimate....

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Of course I will straighten it out

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Biggest issue with the EVO X charger is the crazy compressor cover. That may be the big crutch in the setup. I am going to mess with an J pipe to make sure we can make one that works.