dsmmaps vs dsmlink

[winkdogydog101]

just wanna know whats better i hear everyone is moving from link to map just wanted to know why seems like map offers less but just wanted to know. Also heard you need a temp sensor, New maf, and a few other things

 

[Black95TSIawd]

With what ecmlink V3 is offering i'm really not sure as to why anyone would change over or decide to run anything else this side of a standalone ECU.

 

[black_gst]

dsmap is free and i think there is a pay version in the works... it is a good solution for 1g's and i think it offers most of what V3 lite does but if someone already has ecmlink i doubt they would switch. i have a friend with a 1g running the jackle software and he loves it hes running SD with E85 and he is throwing a hx35 on it right now

 

[winkdogydog101]

thats what im doing too

 

[Black95TSIawd]

Good luck trying to control large injectors and logging through a palm pilot.


The ass backwards styles of the typical DSMer....

 

[johneclipse]

just remember v3 incorporates SD as well...

 

[blktalon3]

Good luck trying to control large injectors and logging through a palm pilot.


The ass backwards styles of the typical DSMer....

Jackal has a logger and why wouldn't you be able to control large injectors?
I'm running 1050 FIC's with it with no problems.

 

[RipperXX]

Keep in mind I use there product. But Link all the way. It's stupid easy to use and very capable. Supports SD, direct access (load based tuning), GM MAS (directly no need for another variable/translator box) etc. etc. etc. For the price. IMO Nothing comes close. Plus theres the forums you gain access to. And there pretty darn helpful at times.

 

[habitatguy187]

Bottom line, Link's easier, but a little more expensive when it's all said and done.

But it's easy!

 

[92AWDHX40]

Im going to purchase it just waiting, lots of support, just alone on this site. Its a no brainer for me since I love computers, and really want to learn more about tuning, and dont plan on leaving dsm's.

 

[habitatguy187]

Im going to purchase it just waiting, lots of support, just alone on this site. Its a no brainer for me since I love computers, and really want to learn more about tuning, and dont plan on leaving dsm's.

Exactly why I decided to buy link lite last week. I got it on last Wednesday and wish I would've bought it a long time ago. It's great really, and I don't even know how to use all the features yet.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Yeah i cant wait to get mine, my car is upgrades nicely and now i need a tuning device, when i turboed my car i had no idea of what a lot of this stuff is. I'm ahead of where i thought i would be, but i learn quickly. so i now feel really good about owning my second dsm, let the fun begin.

 

[black91awdturbo]

Good luck trying to control large injectors and logging through a palm pilot.


The ass backwards styles of the typical DSMer....

I have the software and it has a logger and tons of people are running 1000cc injectors on it just fine. So whats exactly ass backwards in this? With that said I cant say if one is better than the other because I just started playing with the ds-maps stuff.

 

[-red97rum-]

Good luck trying to control large injectors and logging through a palm pilot.


The ass backwards styles of the typical DSMer....

Jeez, why do people insist on posting BS when they don't know what they are talking about?

Take a look:

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In this tab you can set your global injector size as big as you'll ever need. 2500+ cc's. Then you also have complete deadtime control based off voltage. Then if you look above that there is a little button labeled "switch to logger." That means Jackal has a built in logger so you can toss your palm pilot out the window if you like.

 

[TSimage]

Before anymore ignorant post are made.. Understand that everything V3 is FINALLY doing, DSMap was doing about a year or so ago. Guys making 600whp+ with off the shelf journal bearing gt35s etc, its a VERY capable setup. Comparing DSMLink to Jackal is like comparing the iPhone to the DROID.. Everyone knows which one does things faster and is constantly being updated and improved but there are those who simply want to be "cool" and get "what everyone else has"...

Basically, BOTH are very capable systems and now that V3 is finally catching up they do the same thing. Jackal gets updates every so often so it is constantly being improved upon where as with V3, you get what you get until something else comes out. You can't go wrong with either one. I have ran Link and AEM EMS before and currently run Jackal. Haven't decided if the Talon will run Jackal or AEM EMS but at this point, I'd have no reason to go back to link..

 

[99gst_racer]

Basically, BOTH are very capable systems and now that V3 is finally catching up they do the same thing. Jackal gets updates every so often so it is constantly being improved upon where as with V3, you get what you get until something else comes out. You can't go wrong with either one. I have ran Link and AEM EMS before and currently run Jackal. Haven't decided if the Talon will run Jackal or AEM EMS but at this point, I'd have no reason to go back to link..

What are some examples of these updates and improvements?

 

[LandoAWD]

What are some examples of these updates and improvements?

There is a dedicated thread on their forums making fun of what could be their user base. Link does not have this.

 

[Ludachris]

I haven't used DSmap, but I have run my car on DSMlink. My car hasn't seen the street in over 3 years now, except for a couple tuning runs. I mainly run it at road courses, and DSMlink has worked very well for my application. I'm not sure about the horsepower, but I think I'm close to the 400whp range, running 850cc injectors. The car runs like a champ. I'll be converting to speed density and E85 here at some point, with some big injectors, and I have no doubts that DSMlink will be able to make the car run just as strong.

I'm a big fan of open source and free software - though Jackal technically isn't open source I don't think - is the code open source? Are you actually allowed to see it? Being a web developer by trade, open source is a great option for the technically inclined DIYer. The one drawback you typically run into is that there is no company backing the product, just a development community that may or may not be responsive all the time or have the right answers. You can't just pick up the phone and talk to someone, or put a direct email in to support. When you pay for a product, you typically have the support of the company who developed the product and knows it inside and out, plus the community. Not saying I've heard any issues about this in the DSmap community, but that's been my experience with open source overall , for what it's worth.

DSmap looks like it does well and overall it ends up being a little cheaper compared to DSMlink. But DSMlink has been around a long time and has been part of countless DSM builds over the better part of the last 2 decades, many of them being very fast cars. They've got a strong history in our community. Though I know most DSMers these days are looking to save as much money as they can, and if you like the idea of piecing together your own tuning solution, DSmap may be the better option for you.

And as much as my character and integrity have been unfairly called into question and criticized (as have others) by some DSmap community leaders - no, "blasted" would be a better term for it, I'll say that even though their community might be questionable when it comes to professionalism, the product looks to be pretty good and something the DSM community should learn more about. And I know the DSmap people won't appreciate me making this statement publicly in this thread, but for all the judgment and assumptions made about my character by their community leaders publicly and all the harsh comments made about our site and the DSM community in general in their forums that are allowed to fester out of control, I feel I have to say something about it from time to time. It's something people might want to take into consideration when choosing that product. If you want to know more about this, PM me. I'd rather not have this take over the discussion.

 

[Ludachris]

There is a dedicated thread on their forums making fun of what could be their user base. Link does not have this.

And as long as that thread is alive, let alone stickied, I don't understand how they can possibly expect to effectively market the product and not expect some type of backlash. They're not just allowing, but encouraging the idea of making fun of (as well as bashing, questioning the integrity of, and smearing) the largest DSM site on the web, which happens to be full of potential new users of their product, who they're also heckling and making fun of. It just doesn't seem to be the right way to run a support forum for a product that you're trying to spread the word about. But I digress.

 

[99gst_racer]

There is a dedicated thread on their forums making fun of what could be their user base. Link does not have this.

Yup. One of the main reasons my 1G isn't going to run that set-up. It's a shame too, because it sounds like a nice tuning solution. But the mentality difference is and will keep me a loyal Link supporter.

 

[dsm-onster]

AMEN!

Jackal gets updates every so often so it is constantly being improved upon where as with V3, you get what you get until something else comes out.

I just got several updates within the first 2-3 months of purchasing v3. Like updates for custom IAT/MAP scaling, predialed in sensor choices, more detailed control over ALS/etc. There's probably some now I can get. All free. The code is open source, so I believe I can use anyones tweeks of the program, too.

A year or so ago? Link was employed on 800+ whp setups. . . Let's not bring the "HPs" in here. They are both capable. Because ds-map operated in speeddensity prior to Link having the option is really not a fruitful contribution. Afterall, there's something to be said about a controlling a 750+ whp maf setup successfully. Like you alluded, the field is more level. And you end up paying for the extra features with link. So the dollar unvested per return is all the same here. Which, yes, is good for the community.

 

[black_gst]

Yup. One of the main reasons my 1G isn't going to run that set-up. It's a shame too, because it sounds like a nice tuning solution. But the mentality difference is and will keep me a loyal Link supporter.

the support fourm is the best part especially when you are 1st getting started, you also can contribute to new things being added in the future

 

[standard235]

I see a lot of ignorance and misinformation in this thread, as well as blind faith.

Don't get me wrong, I was a DSMLink whore myself. (don't take that the wrong way, hear me out)

If I had some silly desire to stay MAF, DSMLink was where I saw myself. However, Jackal made sense for me. I bought the car, it came with a Burn1 EPROM burner AND an Ostrich v1. So $100 for a couple sensors and wire it up to the MAF plug. Oh, did I mention the car also had an Innovate LC1. Picked her up for $1500.

Anyways, I'm running FIC BlueMax 1250's on E85, 28psi on a big 16g, 22deg timing up top.

Oh, and the open source deal. If you are really familiar at all with progress that has been made in the DSM tuning community, then you would know that the DSM-ECU Yahoo group has an archive where pretty much all the code which makes up Link and MAP, can be found.

Looking forward to advancements in DS-MAP. Particularly MAP-based timing in addition to the already MAP-based fueling.

 

[turboglenn]

My friend's mom's dog groomer's cousin says that pic of the injector page is photoshopped and that shim couldn't run shis1400cc double pumper injectors and yea and a like it wouldn't idle and like the fuel pump didnt work anmd so she had to take all the dogs to be groomed on the public bus where fortunately the rest of the DSM community just happened to be, (cause theirs is broked too ) and they showed the dogs that dsmap-n-crap wasn't no good cause speed density translater pro peacock 4 just came out and it uses the latest in shim-spliven-nerbler technology to produce the best chicken wings you can eat with a 12mm wrench... so that's how i feel about colonel sanders and why i know corolla ECU's are the only way to go in DSM fueling and spark control. you don't even know!!!

All these facts and people only knowing what their talking about first hand, i'd much rather go off rumors and assumptions that i can count on for my dis-information and redundancy of falsities

 

[TSimage]

As far as the "updates" go, you'd have to check the site for yourself as I don't want to jumble this thread with stuff one can simply find for themselves... But a MAJOR one was the ability to run SD which took DSMLink like what, 5+ years?? I was a V1 and V2 user and even after V3 came out it STILL didn't run SD (and this was after it was pushed back multiple times for the sake of being able to SD out of the box) By this time, a few locals who were running TunerPro had been running full on dedicated SD for quite a while. It befuddle me how a paid company would take so long to update a feature that seemd so simple for another non profit one.

It is what it is, I looked more into it and I found that it did everything my Link had PLUS some and even was doing what the upcoming (at the time) V3 was going to be capable of, all for the price of $0...

As far as being able to "pick up the phone and call for help" I found it extremely easy. No need to email Dave or whoever.. Through PMs I was able to get a hold of the major guys easily and almost every time, no matter how fickle my questions were, they were answered. I was sold... The only thing that stopped me from running it then was the fact I had already picked up an AEM EMS.

Again, I'm not bashing either because they both need to do what they need to do but ANY hate towards the Jackal itself can only be seen as ignorance or bias. If people have personal issues, that's fine but I'm sure we can all find enough people to dislike on any give board... I don't see what they are doing over there as a negative towards bringing people to their product on the basis that it is free... They aren't trying to pull in some profit through advertisement or sugar coating things and anyone who can pull their head out of their ass long enough to see day light or go beyond following every single thing they are told rather than being a big boy and doing their own research, thats on them.

Thumbs up for Link and Jackal.