DSMChips Stage III Review (It rocks!!!)

[LEKS]

All this is is the old Todd Day Chips. I cant remember who it is but they make an indiglo guage that has the new readings on it for your old boost guage. The chip is well worth the money and is very effective! On an early 1G make sure you have an EPROM tho!

 

[JohnTSI]

I have this setup with a maf-t and afc combo works very well. It did require tuning but its probably more because of the amount of modifications done to my vehicle. BTW does anyone know what knock sums are equal to on the boost gauge?

 

[kpt4321]

All this is is the old Todd Day Chips. I cant remember who it is but they make an indiglo guage that has the new readings on it for your old boost guage. The chip is well worth the money and is very effective! On an early 1G make sure you have an EPROM tho!

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AS TMO CHIPS!

 

[LEKS]

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AS TMO CHIPS!

Uh OK! I happen to have both and they both do the same thing but whatever you think!

 

[kpt4321]

They don't do the exact same thing.

Have you ever worked with the code in a DSM ECU? Have you ever talked with Jeff, the guy who sells those chips, about the code? Probably no on both counts, huh?

I've done both, so just trust me.

Just because a lot of the features are similar, does not mean it is the same chip. Jeff did the work on it himself.

 

[JohnTSI]

I have 3 TMO stage 3 chips and 2 Keydrivers they are not the same chips. Just because one afc does the same thing as another are they the same? No, while the chips do similar things they are not the same. I would trade all 3 of my tmo chips for another keydrivers.

 

[LEKS]

Eh whatever Im not goin to argue like a kid wanting a toy at walmart about this! Anyway the point is they are good chips youcant even buy TMO unless someone has some layin around so you are stuck with DSM. Just get one and have fun

 

[LandoAWD]

Eh whatever Im not goin to argue like a kid wanting a toy at walmart about this! Anyway the point is they are good chips youcant even buy TMO unless someone has some layin around so you are stuck with DSM. Just get one and have fun

I would appreciate you not arguing with Wisemen over something you are QUITE incorrect about.

Kyle has ALOT of ECU knowledge, and it would be a shame to burn bridges you may need to cross in the future.

 

[kpt4321]

Eh whatever Im not goin to argue like a kid wanting a toy at walmart about this! Anyway the point is they are good chips youcant even buy TMO unless someone has some layin around so you are stuck with DSM. Just get one and have fun

You just made a mistake.

First of all, I don't know what that "kid" comment was supposed to mean, so I will ignore it.

Second of all, let's talk about chips.

TMO chips and DSMChips.com chips have lots of features in common. However, they are not the same thing.

For example:

Gauge Programming: TMO never offered the option to display knock on the boost gauge. Never. That is something Jeff did. You can reprogram a TMO chip to display knock (I have done it), but not one of them came like that.

In addition, some of the gauge options avaliable with TMO are not avaliable from Jeff. That is because Jeff's chips don't have a selectable gauge, which means you need to choose the one that you feel is most useful.

Fuel Cut: Fuel cut is controller by a section of the ECU code that compares a 8-bit airflow (I believe it to be airflow per rev) value with a set peak that is exceeded will trigger fuel cut. TMO never actually removed the fuel cut feature, it just moved it up to the highest possible value, which was high enough that people never hit it. The fact that all the fast people at the time were using SAFC's and VPC played a big role in that as well.

Jeff's chips get rid of fuel cut the right way. I am not sure which method he is using now, I know that he was simply "No Op'ing" that section of code out so the compare never took place. My personal preference that I use on all the chips I do is to simply control where the ECU branches to, to keep it from ever branching to the fuel cut code. Jeff may be doing that now as well.

Stutterbox: The DSMChips.com chips have a single speed stutterbox, and some of them also have NLTS. The ones with the single speed stutterbox use a method that TMO never used, which is basing the stutterbox activation on the car's ground speed rather than the clutch switch position.

If you want to argue about this more, PM me, and I can prove you wrong to an even greater degree. Or, bettet yet, e-mail Jeff and ask him. Tell him you're arguing with Kyle about whether or not the chips he sells use TMO code. He and I are on friendly terms, he will probably just laugh at you.

Anything else skippy?

 

[LEKS]

Well the kid comment goes back to the old saying Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics......your still retarded. Its POINTLESS. No it wasnt calling you a kid of any sort. I cant believe this is even continuing I never said the chip sucked as I matter of fact I said its a good chip. To me and my car I felt no difference in the two chips! So to me that is the same chip just diferent people making them! Now DSM does offer more Stages of chips than the old TMO chip did but the Stage 1 TMO and Stage 1 DSM I saw no diference maybe I should refrais my statement for you politically correct folks I saw no diference between the 2 chips I feel they are the same chip! There is that better for you!

 

[LandoAWD]

Well the kid comment goes back to the old saying Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics......your still retarded. No it wasnt calling you a kid of any sort. I cant believe this is even continuing I never said the chip sucked as I matter of fact I said its a good chip. To me and my car I felt no difference in the two chips! So to me that is the same chip just diferent people making them! Now DSM does offer more Stages of chips than the old TMO chip did but the Stage 1 TMO and Stage 1 DSM I saw no diference maybe I should refrais my statement for you politically correct folks I saw no diference between the 2 chips I feel they are the same chip! There is that better for you!

What you "felt" does not make it fact.

3. No Guesses - if you don't know, don't reply - don't spread misinformation (no "I think" or "I guess" or "I've heard").

^^^this is above the area you type your posts IN EVERY POST.

If you continue this, I will make sure all non-factual posts you made in this thread end up deleted.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Well the kid comment goes back to the old saying Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics......your still retarded. Its POINTLESS. No it wasnt calling you a kid of any sort. I cant believe this is even continuing I never said the chip sucked as I matter of fact I said its a good chip. To me and my car I felt no difference in the two chips! So to me that is the same chip just diferent people making them! Now DSM does offer more Stages of chips than the old TMO chip did but the Stage 1 TMO and Stage 1 DSM I saw no diference maybe I should refrais my statement for you politically correct folks I saw no diference between the 2 chips I feel they are the same chip! There is that better for you!

Im not in this post just browsing through...I would like it if you didnt put down the special olympics. thank you
Andrew

 

[miguels3000]

Hey kpt4321, Im getting a great deal on a 94 talon awd turbo ecu (should be eprom, but if its not im obviously not gettin it), but I have a 97 gst eclipse spyder. Ive heard every where that you can make the 95 eprom's fit on 97+ 2g but will the 94 talon's fit on my eclipse spyder. Any info would be appreciated

FYI I think TMO just went out of buisness, i was brousing threw there web site and there no longer accepting ecu's, i called the company they are affiliated with and they said that tmo kinda just dissapeard/stoped sending buisness. So I Dont know??/

 

[steveVR4]

Just have to reiterate - Jeff (dsmchips.com) rules. That is all.

 

[ceedawg]

Well the kid comment goes back to the old saying Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics......your still retarded. Its POINTLESS. No it wasnt calling you a kid of any sort. I cant believe this is even continuing I never said the chip sucked as I matter of fact I said its a good chip. To me and my car I felt no difference in the two chips! So to me that is the same chip just diferent people making them! Now DSM does offer more Stages of chips than the old TMO chip did but the Stage 1 TMO and Stage 1 DSM I saw no diference maybe I should refrais my statement for you politically correct folks I saw no diference between the 2 chips I feel they are the same chip! There is that better for you!

:thumbdown`YOU refuse to read properly what wiseman is explaining. Sure,Car may feel the same but the chips are different in the way their features are programmed and in what each chip is capable of doing. What's so hards to understand.You made an incorrect statement and he is only trying to correct you not argue with you. Maybe you could explain MORE specifically than just saying "OH ,I'm not gonna argue about it" and say how you feel they are the same. Your conclusions are quite weak about the chips being the same.You "feeling no difference" is a weak cop out explanation.Please elaborate if you are capable.Thats all! Jeez!This forum is for learning! And NO Ignorance is not BLISS! My Gosh ,Such sensitive Cats on here!

 

[ceedawg]

bump

 

[LandoAWD]

bump

It would be a shame to have to lock this due to reading comprehension issues. Don't do that shit again.

 

[GPTourer]

I read the whole thing, but might have missed it.

If you have one of these chips, set to allow your ECU to handle 660's, would this then give you the headroom to control 720's (or greater) on a Super AFC? I know that nobody with the ability to take advanatge of 850s, 960, etc would WANT to run a AFC and are most likely on stand alone, but 720's are right there on the edge, and I was just curious.

 

[Syndicate13]

I read the whole thing, but might have missed it.

If you have one of these chips, set to allow your ECU to handle 660's, would this then give you the headroom to control 720's (or greater) on a Super AFC? I know that nobody with the ability to take advanatge of 850s, 960, etc would WANT to run a AFC and are most likely on stand alone, but 720's are right there on the edge, and I was just curious.

Why not just get the chip to compenate for 720's, or even larger? Jeff can come pretty damn close to just about any size. I don't even run an AFC on my car and it runs great, I think it might have a little more in it but everyone seems to think it's right where it should be. The only thing I notice is I have this weird phantom knock thing when my car is still warming up, and I don't know if it was there before I got the chip or not since I could never see knock before. Anyway I love Jeff's chip but will be getting rid of it sometime soon in favor of DSMlink, gotta plan for the future.

 

[ceedawg]

It would be a shame to have to lock this due to reading comprehension issues. Don't do that shit again.

Dont do what again?? There was nothing said wrng.Wasnt pleased with the guy's attitude.DID YOU READ HIS POSTS!!!! Dont do that s--t again? Please I dont get it! Unless I'm taking you too serious.

 

[ceedawg]

Why not just get the chip to compenate for 720's, or even larger? Jeff can come pretty damn close to just about any size. I don't even run an AFC on my car and it runs great, I think it might have a little more in it but everyone seems to think it's right where it should be. The only thing I notice is I have this weird phantom knock thing when my car is still warming up, and I don't know if it was there before I got the chip or not since I could never see knock before. Anyway I love Jeff's chip but will be getting rid of it sometime soon in favor of DSMlink, gotta plan for the future.

Could be noisy lifters causing it.

 

[92awddsm]

I know this was brought back from the dead but I just got my second upgrade chip from Jeff and it is better than the first. Now he is offering adjustable stutterbox which is working flawlessly and he also threw in the shift light mod. At 7k, my check engine light is now my shift light. Its not offered on his site yet so I figured I would let everyone know this. And no, jeff's chip is definately not the same as tmo's. Two totally different codes with different options. All I can say is the stage 3 has been the best investment Ive made on my 1g.

 

[MattnGsx]

Now he is offering adjustable stutterbox which is working flawlessly and he also threw in the shift light mod. At 7k, my check engine light is now my shift light. Its not offered on his site yet so I figured I would let everyone know this.

how is the stutterbox adjustable? are these functions avaliable on the 2g chips?

 

[92awddsm]

how is the stutterbox adjustable? are these functions avaliable on the 2g chips?

Im not sure about the 2g but mine has settings for 5k, 5250, 5500, 5750, and 6k. Just turn the key to the on position and tap the gas each time to change it. This is also monitored on the boost gauge. Email Jeff and see if its available for the 2g. It probably is.

 

[LandoAWD]

Dont do what again?? There was nothing said wrng.Wasnt pleased with the guy's attitude.DID YOU READ HIS POSTS!!!! Dont do that s--t again? Please I dont get it! Unless I'm taking you too serious.

I warned him a month ago, and he had been quiet. No use stirring the pot just to get words in edgewise.