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2G Don’t know if timing is correct

Posted by 98bluegsx, Oct 19, 2019

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  1. 98bluegsx

    98bluegsx Proven Member

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    Can anyone tell me if the timing it correct? Tried doing it for about 2 hours and watched every tutorial and forum online and this is the closest I could get it without the crank being a tooth off or the cams. Looks like exhaust can is slightly above the intake mark when crank is perfectly at tdc. Is this correct?
     

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  2. BLACK'98DSM

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    Maybe @pauleyman can give you some insight, he seems experienced in this.
     

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  3. 98bluegsx

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    Who’s that?
     

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  4. Jerzm3

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    Cams are off a tooth
     
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  5. Mello

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    Hard to tell. Line up the cams then check the crank. Use a straight edge when lining up the cams. Has the head been decked? This will cause the crank to be off slightly from perfect with the cams lined up.
     
  6. 98bluegsx

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    Was a little bit but not greatly. Here’s what happens when the cams are lined up perfectly...

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  7. miguelmcv

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    Remove the bolt on the crank sprocket so we can see the sprocket mark, the cams looks a bit off.

    remove the bolt and take a complete pic from the front as straight as you can so we can see all marks.

    The pics you took are in an angle and is harder to see if they are spot on, take straight pics.
     

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  8. DSMPT

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    A bit hard to judge by the pics but it seems that the exhaust side should be advanced one tooth more.
     

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  9. 98bluegsx

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    I took it back apart to try again I’m gonna try and send more pics
     

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  10. 98bluegsx

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    I tried it again looks better this time but still seems maybe slightly off
     

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  11. miguelmcv

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    Pics are way better,
    Mark’s look good to me, take one last pic at the cam gears but take the complete gears so we can see the opposite Mark’s of the gears and judge better
     

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  12. 98bluegsx

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    Here’s al the marks on the cams
     

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    ...
     

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  14. 98bluegsx

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    Now when do I pull the pin on the hydraulic tensioner? I have the tensioner pulley pulled tight so the grenade pin moves freely in and out
     

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  15. miguelmcv

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    Correct, tight it to the point the pin cams out and in freely, after that turn the engine 3 rotation and leave it for 10,15 mints and check it again, you should be able to put the pin back in there.
    If the pin doesn’t go in see if the hole staid below or higher, if it went higher then it needs a bit more tightness, if the hole got below the alignment point, then it needs to be loosened up a bit.

    Your target is a freely pin when inserted after the engine rotations and the time.
     

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  16. 98bluegsx

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    Do I leave the bolt for the tensioner pulley hand right or torque it when removing the pin?
     

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  17. steve

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    It should be torqued to spec.
     

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  18. ec17pse

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    Did you set the balance shaft sprocket correct aswel?

    The exhaust seems to have pulled back a bit. Its sometimes happens and can be sorted by moving 1 tooth forward and allowing it to pull back to line up well,

    Also you stsrted frim the intake cam right.

    In all of these pics i have not see the tensioner pully pic so i assume you know this is the corrext way
     

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  19. 98bluegsx

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    Balance shaft is illiminated so no need for the balance shaft sprocket to be in time and yes went in order as I should. So it’s still off time?
     

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  20. ec17pse

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    It looks like the exhaust pulled back some. I would perhaps move that forward a tooth and see what happens when you do it again and let it rest for its cycles and also after the 15min waiting period, it may be enough to keep it in check once its settled
     

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  21. Vegas smith

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    Grab one of these and never look back :


    Also, are you doing the trick/procedure where you advance the exhaust cam 1 tooth (turn it clockwise) and install the belt over it?
     

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  22. jakk220

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    Ehh I don't like it. Check top dead center in cylinder 1 with a screwdriver. It's hard to tell exactly where it is with the crank mark sometimes due to things like the head being milled, block being decked, etc. When I line my crank mark up on my 2g where I think it should be, tdc is always a tiny bit past the mark. Which makes a huge difference.
     

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  23. jakk220

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    Should be more like this.

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