doing headgasket what else do i need?

[hypergenesis]

Well this weekend I plan to tackle quite a bit of stuff and I know there's been threads made but I've literally spent 45 mins searching the forums trying to figure out what exactly needs to be changed when doing a head gasket.

Currently I'm going to change

Timing belt
Auto tensioned
All pulleys
BSE
Headgasket
Arp headstuds
T-25 Turbo, mines going out
Walbro 255lph HP
Fuel lab Afpr


Now I'm pretty sure I read that someone sells a gasket kit for most of the stuff I'm taking off the engine and what not but I'm unable to find it. So if someone could lead me in the right direction.

Also when I do the BSE I use rtv grey for the oilpan gasket correct?

Should I buy headstuds as well?
I plan to buy a sanding block to sand the gasket material off the head as well.

Is there anything I'm missing on what I need or any suggestions.

Much appreciated

Armin

 

[gofer]

OEM ENGINE COMPLETE HEAD GASKET SET : MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE 2G 7 BOLT

Yes. Gray RTV around the pan.

Get ARP head studs, you're already pulling the head.

You need to RESURFACE the head and clean the old HG material off the bottom end with a wire brush/drill. Be sure to use a torque wrench when you're installing everything, that way you don't do more harm than good.

 

[92AWDHX40]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/288706-replacing-my-head-gasket.html

Timing Belt VFAQ (Timing Belt TSB - ENHANCED)

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/215175-head-gasket-help-remove-replace.html



http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/341360-head-gasket-replacement.html

Just had my head decked and block because it was out oh yeah arps. That list looks good.

 

[AG 305]

i would go ahead and replace the water pump also. BSE is the best thing youre doing

 

[hypergenesis]

OEM ENGINE COMPLETE HEAD GASKET SET : MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE 2G 7 BOLT

Yes. Gray RTV around the pan.

Get ARP head studs, you're already pulling the head.

You need to RESURFACE the head and clean the old HG material off the bottom end with a wire brush/drill. Be sure to use a torque wrench when you're installing everything, that way you don't do more harm than good.

Sorry I meant arp.

But do I have to resurface the head or is it optional or cones down to the scenario?

i would go ahead and replace the water pump also. BSE is the best thing youre doing

Waterpump and timing belt were changed about 10k miles ago I'm changing it again because my auto tensioner went bad causing belt wear and I had a autozone belt now its OEM.

Also has anyone used this autozone kit?

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/pa...String=search&itemIdentifier=438795_166861_0_

 

[92AWDHX40]

I would to make sure its a flat deck cheap enough, i would go ahead and do it ive done plenty of hg i always have decked mine, but thats just me.

 

[hypergenesis]

I would to make sure its a flat deck cheap enough, i would go ahead and do it ive done plenty of hg i always have decked mine, but thats just me.

How much you pay to deck it? I'm running short on cash because I was in the process of putting my 16g on when my timing belt mess and had my battery start going out so I'm getting tight on cash.

Thanks
Armin

 

[92AWDHX40]

45 bucks here.

Felpro is used quite a lot in some builds ive seen on here, ive run plenty of them for over 15 years never a issue.

 

[hypergenesis]

45 bucks here.

Felpro is used quite a lot in some builds ive seen on here, ive run plenty of them for over 15 years never a issue.

Did you pay someone to do it?

 

[92AWDHX40]

yep machine shop here

 

[hypergenesis]

OEM all the way! i wouldnt trust fel-pro for a HG. if the waterpump is new just inspect it to be 100% sure.

if youre using a MLS HG then your block and head have to resurfaced and super flat to insure a good seal. if youre using a composite HG just clean off all the old gasket material and make sure its nice and smooth

Only reason I trust it is because of 99gst_racer he's been using the felpro comp HG and is running around 600whp in his awd gst. With that and the fact that he rubs over 30 Psi without having the HG go is pretty amazing to me. Only reason I buy non OEM.

Thanks
Armin

 

[92AWDHX40]

No problem yep i trust felpro and paul, cool guy. Its a good brand.

 

[AG 305]

dont get me wrong tho i do like fel-pro but im referring to the cheaper non "high performance" gaskets. but it basically comes down to how good of a job you do. theres just so many idiots out there who dont resurface then tighten the head studs wrong and then throw 30+psi at it and expect no failure. ANY hg would fail like that imo

 

[hypergenesis]

dont get me wrong tho i do like fel-pro but im referring to the cheaper non "high performance" gaskets. but it basically comes down to how good of a job you do. theres just so many idiots out there who dont resurface then tighten the head studs wrong and then throw 30+psi at it and expect no failure. ANY hg would fail like that imo

Oh yea definitely. I'm really paranoid so I take my time and do everything correct. Just really did my rear suspension and everything got touched with a tourque wrench and loctite. Like I said I plan to get a sanding block with 80-100 grit paper to sand it down.

Armin

 

[BogusSVO]

Why are you pulling the head? Overheat issue? Blown HeadGasket? Broken Time belt?

Here is some links to read so you can understand more about your head

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/413772-how-clean-head-gasket-surface.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/341627-how-check-head-warp.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...how-measure-4g63-cylinder-head-thickness.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...face-4g63t-cylinder-head-mls-head-gasket.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...0613-why-not-let-your-head-belt-surfaced.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/341028-4g63t-head-oil-port-mod.html

Are you planing to upgrade anything on the head? Springs? Cams?

 

[hypergenesis]

Why are you pulling the head? Overheat issue? Blown HeadGasket? Broken Time belt?

Here is some links to read so you can understand more about your head

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/413772-how-clean-head-gasket-surface.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/341627-how-check-head-warp.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...how-measure-4g63-cylinder-head-thickness.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...face-4g63t-cylinder-head-mls-head-gasket.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...0613-why-not-let-your-head-belt-surfaced.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/341028-4g63t-head-oil-port-mod.html

Are you planing to upgrade anything on the head? Springs? Cams?

Im changing it because when I did my T-Belt last I had it done by some mechanics that failed to mention something called the auto tensioner. Since it wasn't changed by belt started showing signs of unnatural wear. I planned on doing the HG and Head studs due to the fact that Im going to upgrade turbos and since im doing the head gasket and head I decided to go ahead and do all the timing belt and the BSE.

Im not adding anything to the head currently it is just a FWD commuter. I plan to either use a 14b or a mhi16g to reach my goal of 300-350whp for my DD. I might end up adding cams some point down the line but I don't plan to make this too crazy until I a) AWD Swap or B) Get a 1g or 2g gsx/tsi.

Also im replacing my stock turbo with another one since it seems I am having smoking issues when I go into boost.

I already have all supporting mods and almost all maintenance has been done other than what is left to do on the engine, which I plan to tackle this weekend.

Thanks
Armin

 

[92AWDHX40]

Sounds good you have everthing you need, a complete list and how to do list.

 

[BogusSVO]

Well since you plan on doing cams down the road, I would recommend, ehile the head is off

To test/check the valve springs, for I have found most springs weak

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/341287-how-test-valve-springs.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/341209-4g63t-valve-spring-info.html

I like the BC1100 valve springs w/ stock retainers and that will handle what you need.

Also you may want to change the valve stem seals while you are in there

 

[92AWDHX40]

Cam seals too.

 

[hypergenesis]

Cam seals too.

Would cam seals come in a head gasket set?

Also im not sure if I will have the funds to switch out the springs/valve seals even though I want to. I need to see how fast I can order some of the gaskets anyone know if local auto stores like autozone carry them? I know everyone says oem but I don't have the time to wait. Money isn't as big of a deal as time. This is the first weekend off in like 2 months and I had to use vacation time to take it off to do this. Had my bank F me over 300$ that they still haven't refunded me so the entire Time/Fund thing is becoming a problem.

Cam seals too.

Well since you plan on doing cams down the road, I would recommend, ehile the head is off

To test/check the valve springs, for I have found most springs weak

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/341287-how-test-valve-springs.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/341209-4g63t-valve-spring-info.html

I like the BC1100 valve springs w/ stock retainers and that will handle what you need.

Also you may want to change the valve stem seals while you are in there

Thanks again for taking your time to link all these, its very informative I have been reading every one of them.

Now for the spring tester would a machinist shop carry them or is it even more of a specialty tool?

I honestly haven't even thought about springs and what not with the build so far so its good to have a fair start on it.

Thanks
Armin

 

[BogusSVO]

Headset (Fel-pro) will come with cam seals and valve stem seals.

A spring tester should be in any decent equiped machine shop

The BC1100 spring can be had for appox $90 check with the supporting vendors.

 

[Calan]

Would cam seals come in a head gasket set?

Also im not sure if I will have the funds to switch out the springs/valve seals even though I want to.

Cam seals should come in the gasket set, or you can order them separately. Valve stem seals are like $20 for a set IIRC. For springs, I would personally go with a set of Kiggly beehives and never look back... if funds allow.

I need to see how fast I can order some of the gaskets anyone know if local auto stores like autozone carry them? I know everyone says oem but I don't have the time to wait. Money isn't as big of a deal as time. This is the first weekend off in like 2 months and I had to use vacation time to take it off to do this. Had my bank F me over 300$ that they still haven't refunded me so the entire Time/Fund thing is becoming a problem.

extremepsi will have all the gaskets and seals you need (OEM even), and if you order today, you would probably get them by the weekend pretty easily...especially with some expedited shipping.

Don't forget gaskets and crush washers for the turbo installation. Those usually have to be ordered separately.

Only reason I trust it is because of 99gst_racer he's been using the felpro comp HG and is running around 600whp in his awd gst. With that and the fact that he runs over 30 Psi without having the HG go is pretty amazing to me.

I'm pretty sure Paul was running an o-ringed head and/or block with that composite gasket at that power level, and I would almost guarantee you that it was way more than 30psi (probably upwards of 45psi . They are good gaskets, but there's a big difference in a composite HG on a ringed head vs. non-ringed.

 

[99gst_racer]

dont get me wrong tho i do like fel-pro but im referring to the cheaper non "high performance" gaskets.

There's nothing wrong with the cheap Felpro composite head gasket. It works great in a performance application as long as it's installed properly. And it's nearly identical to the OE composite gasket that was installed on all of our cars from the factory.

Read:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...-felpro-vs-ajusa-composite-head-gasket-2.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/364746-should-i-use-40-headgasket-advanced-auto.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/390490-max-boost-composite-gasket.html

 

[BogusSVO]

@Calan... I will agree that the Kiggley springs are a great set of springs to have. But will be too much overkill on a stock valve stock cam set up.
The Kiggley spring/retainer package is in the $500-$600 price range
Plus the Kiggley springs really need to be set up by a machinist with the proper tools to take full advantage of them.

 

[Calan]

@Calan... I will agree that the Kiggley springs are a great set of springs to have. But will be too much overkill on a stock valve stock cam set up.
The Kiggley spring/retainer package is in the $500-$600 price range
Plus the Kiggley springs really need to be set up by a machinist with the proper tools to take full advantage of them.

Agreed... but might as well be prepared for the "more power" bug when it hits, if funds and time allow for it now while everything is apart.