CUT Balance shaft Belt [Merged 6-7]cutting belts remove

[HiPsiTsiMike]

can you cut the balance belt off? without having any motor problems?
and will it give a difference in HP gain?
thanks

 

[91eclipse4g63t]

i am hearing this same noise out of my car...its kinda like a chirping/whining sound but mine only makes the noise at 1k rpms any lower and any higher it goes away i still haven't figured it out? does anyone know if you can just cut the balance shaft belt temporarily until my elimination kit comes in? just to get rid of the sound possibly?

 

[RayBan GST]

thats exactly what happened to me before in my old GST 97

the balance shaft belt was broken like forever and i did now know about it ( it hit my timing belt and the crank sensor and it was a lot of work ) after i fixed everything i started to hear noises from the belt side it was the balance shaft belt again ( I JUST REMOVED IT ) and the sound was gone.

just remove the belt temporarly until you get a kIT , this will not fix your problem but at least you can drive the car without noise ( NOTE : vibration will be there)

 

[the_intimidator]

Well... I am in the process of replacing the Headgasket and found my balance shaft belt broke, it turns freely. The car is a 93 GSX with a 6 bolt. My question is... can i A. run the motor without a balance shaft belt without any issue's? or B. get the belt on without removing crank sprocket? I am having trouble removing the crank bolt, snapped a half inch adapter and cannot seem to lock the flywheel with a screw driver enough to break the bolt loose. I am getting really frustrated with this, I am tryin to get it done so i can finish moving.
Eric

 

[solidviper89]

Theres two shafts so if you take the belt off, you will disable one shaft but the other still will be spinning off the oil pump gears. Take the belt and put a stubby shaft in the front case.

I had a similar problem when doing the BS delete with the crank bolt.

 

[the_intimidator]

im just starting to run out of money atm to try n get this done... it ran fine while the belt was broke . can the belt go on without removing crank sprocket? btw crank sprocket bolt is normal thread correct? lefty loosey righty tighty deal?

 

[Jeff99GS]

Yes the crank bolt is normal thread. NOT reverse. I have heard of people slipping the balance shaft belt in without removing the crank sprocket but it's NOT easy.

If you have a small propane torch you should heat the crank around the bolt. Don't get the oil pump real hot though cause you could damage the seals.

Also an air impact gun would help A LOT to get that crank sprocket off.

 

[the_intimidator]

I've been using an electric impact. ill try it some more and see if i can get someone to hold the flywheel still for me...

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

How do you plan or holding the flywheel?
Removing the trans?
You can remove the cover and wedge something in between the teeth.
I don't have better ideas, bc I use an air impact gun.

 

[Jeff99GS]

Try putting the transmission in 5th gear. Maybe that will make it easier to hold the crank while you're trying to bust it loose.

 

[the_intimidator]

the bottom cover is off the trans and ive been trying to get a screwdriver wedge in there, kinda hard to do both and the transmission is in 5th gear. ill see if i can get it all done.

 

[DSMopar]

All you should need is the tranny in 5th gear and the e-brake on... I might have even air impacted mine off I can't remember.

 

[MichaelSuch]

Use an air impact. It will do quite a bit more than electric would ever do...

 

[the_intimidator]

closest thing i have to air impact would be an air ratchet. getting ready to go back tow ork on it. if all else fails im really close to yankin the motor

 

[dsm-onster]

Get a 1/2 inch breaker bar. You'll see that the 1/2 inch drive will fit in the square hole within the crank bolt with out a socket. Secure the breaker bar to the ground by turning the crank until the handle end is tight or do the same against the lower control arm. Bump the starter .

 

[tkelly27]

Crankshaft sprocket tool

I just made mine long enough to hit the floor and hold it still. I also made it with a drill and a grinding wheel. Clamp the harmonic balancer to the piece of metal, drill two holes, grind out between them until it fits on the crank sprocket. Make sure it bolts down snug or you'll shear the harmonic balancer bolts.

 

[boopy D]

I used an allen wrench. I put the long end between the flywheel teeth and the other short end hangs over the trans case. Then i turn the motor over until she stoped and bam, breaks the bolt loose. Using a breaker bar with the allen wrench works every time for me.

 

[Polyol]

Crankshaft sprocket tool

I just made mine long enough to hit the floor and hold it still. I also made it with a drill and a grinding wheel. Clamp the harmonic balancer to the piece of metal, drill two holes, grind out between them until it fits on the crank sprocket. Make sure it bolts down snug or you'll shear the harmonic balancer bolts.

I also made one like that. They sale them also , like $20.00 - $25.00 Jayracing

 

[the_intimidator]

alright got the crank bolt off had a buddy step on the brakes while it was in 5th gear and hit it with the electric impact. my NEWEST problem is on the exaust side of the block. there is that philipps plug so you can retime the balance shaft, I had to drill it out, How long is that plug? and why cant i get a thin screwdriver or rod in there more than 3/4th of an inch to 1 inch? i can get the balance shaft to hang up on phillips screwdriver and point to the timing mark, thenw hile holding screwdriver in place turn balance shaft counter clockwise 180* I am tryin to figure out what in the hell is going on so i can get the balance shaft timed so i can make sure the oil sprocket and crank is timed properly before putting new belts and such on.

 

[steele_verus]

So, I was driving my newly purchased 95 Talon TSi with a engine rebuilt 60k miles ago. I was going up a hill, and starting chugging, and finally died. I towed it back home. The timing belt is fine and still in time. However, the balance shaft belt is snapped in half. I lost my oil pump, but already replaced it. The car does not start, or even turn over. I was looking in to the balance shaft elimination kit (which I'll probably end up doing). My question is: Did I do any engine damage, if my timing is not off? And, is the elimination kit going to be difficult to install myself?

 

[JusMX141]

My buddy's '95 Talon TSi ran for 10K+ with a broken balance belt. I say 10K+ because we have no idea when it actually broke- we discovered the majority of the cogs in a pile at the bottom of the timing cover. The car still ran 12.55 with only the rear balance shaft belt turning:

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We replaced the belts and the car has been running perfect ever since:

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Your problem obviously stemmed from a bad oil pump- Engine gets no oil; engine seizes. It's very simple to understand. How much oil pressure were you showing just before it blew up?

Installing a BSE kit is rather difficult to do yourself with the engine in the car, yes....but I have the feeling your engine's going to be coming out anyway.

 

[ByrdClaw]

Balance Shaft Eliminator Kit Install

 

[4pistons]

the balance shaft belt is snapped in half. I lost my oil pump, but already replaced it.

If you notice in the pics the balance shaft belt doesn't turn your oil pump the timing belt does. So how'd you lose the pump?

And, is the elimination kit going to be difficult to install myself?

Free balance shaft eliminator Free Balance Shaft Removal

Rick - '91 GSX

 

[gbradley]

True, the actual timing belt turns the oil pump cog. I suggest checking crankshaft and camshaft timing marks to make sure timing hasn't jumped.

 

[steele_verus]

Sorry I'm a noob, but I actually think the balance shaft belt wasn't my problem, it was just snapped and I found it when I took the timing belt cover off. The oil pump (I think) was on the bottom of the oil pan, and something flew up and knocked it off, causing me to lose oil like no other. Also, I think my crankshaft positioning sensor went out, which may be why it is not starting. I going to replace the timing belt, balance shaft belt, and crankshaft and cam position sensors, and see where that takes me. We strobe-tested the timing, and it all checked out, so I'm pretty sure my timing didn't jump.

 

[91tizzy]

how did you "strobe test" the timing if the motor is locked up? if the motor ran dry and locked up there is a good chance that the balance shaft belt just siezed thereby snapping the belt.