Can i reach 450 awhp with this?

[Talon tsi PR]

My new setup
TD05 20g turbo (20psi)
2g exhaust manifold
HKS bov
Tial wastegate
Magnus Motorsports intake manifold
75mm throttle body
KN intake
Turbo XS 31"x12"x4" intercooler
Custom 2.5" ic piping
Slowboy Evo 3 Ported O2 housing
Walbro 255 fp
Mallory fpr
Precision 1200cc fuel injectors
Modified 2g fuel rail
NOS 50 shot
Comp Cams 264*/272*
Fidanza cam gears
ARP head studs and main studs
Electromotive Tec II engine management system#
Modified water pump pulley
Exedy clutch
Fidanza flywheel
built bottom end cp pistons 85.5 bore 10.1 comp eagle rods

 

[cyexmaster]

I guess it could be done with the mods you listed, the thing thats going to have to change is the psi probably and you may want to use something other than pump gas to be safe....


Good luck and let us know how it goes.

 

[fran_drivertsi]

FP Green.

 

[Chicken Patty]

FP Green.

Did you mean it as in he'll need that to reach his goal?

 

[JusMX141]

I don't know what to think about this thread. If you already had the car built the thread would be classified as bench racing, but being that you're asking if you can make a certain amount of power before you buy / install a certain group of parts is more like asking for advice so it could be a legit thread.

Now, regarding the 20G....Curt Brown's black 1G (R.I.P.) made 499awhp on an off-the-shelf Evo III 16G. A 20G compressor obviously generates more airflow and COULD make more power, but then again Curt is a miracle worker who puts tons of time and funds into his builds.

Could a 20G make 450whp? Absolutely. Will yours? Probably not.

 

[bsbllfit7]

so lets help him out with this then, what would be a good turbo to fill his need of wanting to run 450. I am wanting to know as well Would a twin scroll hx35 do it?

 

[burkgonzo]

so lets help him out with this then, what would be a good turbo to fill his need of wanting to run 450. I am wanting to know as well Would a twin scroll hx35 do it?

Yes

 

[Chicken Patty]

I say let's let this dude dyno and once we know what his setup does then we can go on about how to make the 450hp mark he's chasing.

 

[bsbllfit7]

good call, im interested in seeing this as i just put a built 2.4l in the car and am looking for that same goal. with my setup i get decreased spool atleast

 

[Talon tsi PR]

I don't know what to think about this thread. If you already had the car built the thread would be classified as bench racing, but being that you're asking if you can make a certain amount of power before you buy / install a certain group of parts is more like asking for advice so it could be a legit thread.

Now, regarding the 20G....Curt Brown's black 1G (R.I.P.) made 499awhp on an off-the-shelf Evo III 16G. A 20G compressor obviously generates more airflow and COULD make more power, but then again Curt is a miracle worker who puts tons of time and funds into his builds.

Could a 20G make 450whp? Absolutely. Will yours? Probably not.

Imma show you my dyno sheet and a video in a couple of days with my 450+hp hahaha

I just want to hear a general opinion and i know i wont get 450hp with 20psi like i said before that spec sheet is a copy from another forum and i did that 4 months ago when i started my build

 

[viprez586]

Note your talking about 450+AWHP
At the crank - I'd say you have a damn good shot. I think the 264 will really hold you back in terms of squeezing every hp out of the 20G.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Note your talking about 450+AWHP
At the crank - I'd say you have a damn good shot. I think the 264 will really hold you back in terms of squeezing every hp out of the 20G.

I believe his cam combo is very good for spool up and mid-range power, but not peak power, am I right?

 

[Talon tsi PR]

Ok my plans are to DD and to take it to the track on weekends (autoX)

Btw 450hp to the wheels

 

[my dreamt dsm]

Ha! Bench racing isn't allowed but makes an exception for bench h.p. .
I don't know if this is a dream setup or not. Hope you know that's thousands of dollars in items.
But with all that stuff you better make 450... but I doubt it. Since less then half of what you list is actually power parts... will you be running e85 or pump?
I say throw on some big cams, big turbo, good tune and support mods. You should be close to 11's.

Good luck on your quest. Subscribed!

 

[Talon tsi PR]

Im going to the dyno this thursday

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

Im going to the dyno this thursday

Very good! No more guessing. Soon we will know what it can do. Keep us posted.

 

[bsbllfit7]

when you get the results please post what the rpms were for full boost and at what psi. Im contemplating turbos right now and if it has a certain spool on a 2.0l ill know it will be a bit lower on my 2.4l

 

[burkgonzo]

I ran fp2 cams with my td05 20g and she pulls really well to 7,500. I am debating if I should rev higher.

 

[Talon tsi PR]

Im so anxious cant wait to put my car on the dyno and finally see whats my build is capable of. Btw i wont use the spray

 

[bsbllfit7]

and your running a 2.0l correct?

 

[Talon tsi PR]

Yup yup 85 bore x 88 stroke

 

[viprez586]

I believe his cam combo is very good for spool up and mid-range power, but not peak power, am I right?

Right. Your not going to make 450awhp in the middle of your power band with a 20G. It'll be peak hp if anything, not entirely the best setup if all you want is 450awhp by squeezing every ounce out of the current setup.

Sure the 264 will help with spool-up, good(but not really ideal) for running a 20G sized turbo on the street/autox.

Some 280s would raise the window/range of peak hp.

Hell we'll find out Thursday. Don't get me wrong - it'll be cool to have the bottom end grunt of the 264s with the wicked top end of a 20G, especially on the street.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Right. Your not going to make 450awhp in the middle of your power band with a 20G. It'll be peak hp if anything, not entirely the best setup if all you want is 450awhp by squeezing every ounce out of the current setup.

Sure the 264 will help with spool-up, good(but not really ideal) for running a 20G sized turbo on the street/autox.

Some 280s would raise the window/range of peak hp.

Hell we'll find out Thursday. Don't get me wrong - it'll be cool to have the bottom end grunt of the 264s with the wicked top end of a 20G, especially on the street.

Cool. Reason i ask is because I only do a few runs on the highway if I find a vette, or whatever car you know. Just occasional encounters. I don't really go to the strip and I don't autocross. So in the street IMO it's all about powerband. That's why I was looking at that combo to be on the power quick. I have a 50 trim on the car right now.

 

[burkgonzo]

Im pretty pumped to see what it makes as well.

 

[viprez586]

Cool. Reason i ask is because I only do a few runs on the highway if I find a vette, or whatever car you know. Just occasional encounters. I don't really go to the strip and I don't autocross. So in the street IMO it's all about powerband. That's why I was looking at that combo to be on the power quick. I have a 50 trim on the car right now.

264/272 will help out your spool some(not drastically) and give you some nice mid/top end. In your scenario - looking at your dyno graph you have smooth power all throughout the range with it slightly tapering off at the top end.
A member did back to back dyno tests and said that buying a 264/264 cam set then switching to a 272/272 was a waste of money since the difference is so minimal. Can't remember who, but it was they guy doing Delta cam tests.

IMO if your dying for that slightly faster spool-up, but still want the top end grunt a 264/272 combo is great for you. Throw in some badass, Evo springs and retainers and call it a day.
(That's what I'm gonna run but i think I'll opt for the 272/272 combo W/ evo springs & retainers since they're super cheap insurance)

 

[Chicken Patty]

264/272 will help out your spool some(not drastically) and give you some nice mid/top end. In your scenario - looking at your dyno graph you have smooth power all throughout the range with it slightly tapering off at the top end.
A member did back to back dyno tests and said that buying a 264/264 cam set then switching to a 272/272 was a waste of money since the difference is so minimal. Can't remember who, but it was they guy doing Delta cam tests.

IMO if your dying for that slightly faster spool-up, but still want the top end grunt a 264/272 combo is great for you. Throw in some badass, Evo springs and retainers and call it a day.
(That's what I'm gonna run but i think I'll opt for the 272/272 combo W/ evo springs & retainers since they're super cheap insurance)

Gotcha. However, the dyno graph was from my 16g dyno, not my 50 trim.