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Borg Warner S200 (Bullseye S256) Review

Posted by 2gGSX, Nov 1, 2007

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  1. northendtrooper

    northendtrooper Proven Member

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    Note though you are on a 2.4L not a 2.0
     
  2. D_Eclipse9916

    D_Eclipse9916 Proven Member

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    Their site is vipgarageonline.com if you want to check out or find out their phone number. Marti is the only vendor I go to nowadays. He is doing my engine build and im hoping I can have enough money after break in of the engine to pick up a s256. Plus I beleive he is one of the only retailers of borg warner turbos in america.
     
  3. droppinbottom

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    I would not quite call that fair with you having a 2.4L as compared to a 2.0L

    My only disapointment so far has been the boost recovery. I have not used NLTS as I am a bit nervous about using it while I have meth injection running.
     
  4. 95GSXBLUR

    95GSXBLUR Proven Member

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    The car with the S362 is a 2.0. Boost Recovery is great - even better with NLTS.

    There are many vendors for BW Turbos - PM me if you'd like more details.
     

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  5. We're on Boost

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    Droppinbottom - I can't get your "link to dynosheet" to work.
    I'm always interested in seeing what these things make at 4000 rpm. That's kinda like my spool reference point.

    Gary
     

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  6. droppinbottom

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    It should work now. The dip you see in the log was not completly tuned out. It is being caused by the meth coming on. But you will still be able to see that at 4k I am doing nothing.
     
  7. 95GSXBLUR

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    Why are you nervous about running NLTS with meth? The 1G 2.0 with the S362 is on the Snow Meth kit and runs NLTS like it's his job. the boost pressure drops to around 10 PSI so he's either not spraying, or barley spraying any meth in @ all when the clutch is engaged. Dial in your meth settings and use it. Your car will be that much faster. :thumb::dsm:
     

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    Ok I see it now. It is pretty late getting started, looks like about 90 hp at 4000 rpm. Sure goes out past 8000 real nice though.
    How do you like the 3g lifters? Did you notice any differences after putting them in, like knock counts or anything different?

    Gary
     

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  9. droppinbottom

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    Granted I am on a smaller style meth injecton kit but I know some incidents that meth has not been too friendly to rods when using NLTS.
     
  10. droppinbottom

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    I have never had a motor on 1g lifters. First time I ever drove this car we already had the 3g lifters installed.
     
  11. We're on Boost

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    Tom, that B-W divided turbine housing you showed on the first page - is it a lot heavier than the Bullseye housing?

    Gary
     

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  12. spendone

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    Heres an update from me on my end. I have a NET S256 with a .70 a/r t3. I have bee handed everyone their asses lately, from shelby cobras to zo6's. Link estimates my hp is around 504 hp and 387 ft/lbs. My 70-90mph times put me into the 125+mph range. I know this is all bench racing but I havent had a chance to go to the track. It you guys would like I can post a log.

    P.S.
    This is on 30psi and 93 pump gas.
     
  13. We're on Boost

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    spendone, do you guys still sell that divided T3 manifold made by JMFab for the Borgs?
    That's actually what I was thinking about when I posted the question to 2gGSX about the weight of the twin-scroll Borg housings.

    Are your mods pretty much as listed in your profile?

    Gary
     

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  14. 2gGSX

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    I've been really busy lately--I think this thread was about a third this size the last time I saw it.

    I'm going off memory here, but I do recall that the BW housing was heavier. I can try to get it on a scale if you really want a number.

    Absolutely!
     
  15. Slippi84

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    I have the t3 .70ar housing and I had the 18cm on there when I got my hx40. The 18cm housing is HUGE and A LOT heavier than the t3 hosuing.
     

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  16. Steve93Talon

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    The manifolds are built to order, usually a 2 week lead time. You can contact them directly to order one:

    GVautosport Divided T3 Manifold
     

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    Steve, a couple months ago you mentioned Tort was putting an S362 on his car with one of these GVauto divided manifolds. What ever happened to that? I haven't seen anything about it since then.

    Gary
     

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  18. spendone

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    Gary yea we still have the manifolds. As Steve stated, they are built to order. Tort is just slacking on getting his turd back together. Let me check my mod info and see if its up to date. Ill copy and paste it into the next reply if it is or ill add the canges.
     
  19. spendone

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    Heres a whole break down of mods...

    Bullseye S256NET T3 .70 a/r
    SFP T3 Manifold
    JMF Drag Manifold
    Q45 TB, Kenetic FMIC
    Stock 6-bolt (same motor Steve93Talon made 470 with)
    FP2's
    Stock HG
    ARP Headstuds
    ACT 2900/Street Disk
    ACT Flywheel
    Stock Trans w/ 4-spider
    Koni/ProKit - Front
    AGX/GCC - Rear
    Nitto 555r's DR
    DSMLink/MafT
    3" Custom Exhaust
    44mm Tial Wastegate
    Tial BOV
    Cooling Mist Meth Injection

    Thats really it that I can think of. Heres the log...if you want to check the hp on the log, it is set to the following...225/55/16 3200lbs I left the drivetrain lost where it was (0.15-default)

    This is a log against my buddies Supra(MKIV) BPU+++++++++
    https://home.comcast.net/~mcheung19/pumpSupra.dat
     
  20. We're on Boost

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    Thanks for the laugh, and the mod list!

    I like the way that manifold looks, like a pile of snakes. Also like the idea of 1 wastegate for the sake of compact installation and lower cost. I'm interested in it more for use with an S256 or S258 actually, but Tort's results should be very interesting.

    Gary
     

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  21. Steve93Talon

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    There's a little more to it than just "slacking". Tort's father passed away and my wife and I had a baby recently, so it's been difficult to make time to work on the car. We've made alot of progress in the last few weeks though, actually fired it for the first time last weekend. We'll be taking it out this weekend to dial in the MAFT and work out the bugs, then we'll be switching to the E85 and starting to tune. It shouldn't be long now. I've attached a more recent pic.
     

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    Oh man, that is beautiful. I see it's the single wastegate version too, so I'll be especially interested in the results.
    Thanks for the pic Steve.

    Gary
     

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  23. spendone

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    Car should of been done eons ago.....no excuses.
     
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    What a/r turbine housing is Tort using on there, and is it a regular off the shelf Borg-Warner divided turbine housing or something different?

    Gary
     

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  25. spendone

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    I believe he has a .70 a/r divded T3 BEP housing.
     

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