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[eclipseyou]

Anybody out there know anything about jun cams?????

 

[madmax]

I think I cam, I think I cam, I think I cam...page three

 

[GoriLLa]

Originally posted by madmax
I think I cam, I think I cam, I think I cam...page three

 

[jizzo007]

i too have crower cams but because i have no knowledge of tuning, my car doesn't idle very well. but it pulls like a muthf*&^a. on the highway my car can't be touched.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by jizzo007
on the highway my car can't be touched.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
oh god one more idiot kid that thinks his poo doesn’t stink. Your car is nothing special neither is mine. I'm POSTIVE that there are more than 2 dozen cars in just your half of the state that can easily walk by you. Are you seriously that uninformed?

 

[nano]

I live in anchorage, alaska. There's only 300k people in this town, and I know of quite a few cars that can walk my 11 second ass from a roll. There's always someone faster.

 

[BoostinAWD]

So is there anywhere the HKS 272's can be purchased for less than $550-$600? Total BS there..

I need a set now, but can't really justify the $300 a peice price.

 

[DSMraver]

For the earlier question, HK$ 264/264 will actually pick up torque/power in the lower RPM's over a stock cam. They make for a GREAT street cam, since they don't idle bad, like the POS non-degree'd Web/Crower cams do.

As for $550/pr being BS? You get what you pay for. Pick up a less-expensive set of webs/crowers, and spend the extra $250 on cam gears, and even more buying the tools to degree them.

"Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"

 

[onegee]

but if i decide to go for the 272's right now will it hinder performance at all? oh, and will i lose much if any low end w/ the new cams?
btw, if it seems like a dumb question then it probably is, i'm a newb

im curious as well..if i picked up the 264/272 would it be the same performance as a 264/264...i would then port the head after fully optimizing the 272...does that make sense or with 264 all the way? btw ill be using HKS

 

[midnght]

I know I am bringing this back from the dead but.....

Like said above,

If I was to purcase the 264/272 combo for my stock unported head will I be able to run these and see good gains? If people are doing it already then I suppose it is fine to do.

Hell this is what I mean...

Now=stock 2g head stock cams
Next=stock 2g head 264/272 hks
Then=port 2g head 264/272 hks

Will each step make more power? I know the porting will help make more power, but will the 272 show more than if I just went 264/264 in the first place?

Thanks for the help.

 

[Kingdom]

Originally posted by midnght
I know I am bringing this back from the dead but.....

Like said above,

If I was to purcase the 264/272 combo for my stock unported head will I be able to run these and see good gains? If people are doing it already then I suppose it is fine to do.

Hell this is what I mean...

Now=stock 2g head stock cams
Next=stock 2g head 264/272 hks
Then=port 2g head 264/272 hks

Will each step make more power? I know the porting will help make more power, but will the 272 show more than if I just went 264/264 in the first place?

Thanks for the help.

yes adding cams to the stock head will increase power, and porting the head later will give another power increase especially on 2g heads were they are probably being overflowed by the cams.

 

[Wobble]

from what ive seen of web street grid cams, they are great.. you get the lumpy idle like.. like you have cams WOW what a suprise!, but i dont know about this crappy throttle response and other stuff... from what ive seen its all on the up and up with them.. someone else i knew had the HKS 272 /272 cams and had to tweak a bit to get a deacent idle..

unless you have a hogged out 1g head with all the trimmings and crap.. and dont care about driving under 4k.. i would get the web street grinds... with a 16g you will probably see and extra 30-40 hp and youll be very intimate with the rev limiter...

but yea yea, HKS is probably better.. worth the price difference? dunno, not to me..

 

[Wobble]

and just getting a 1g head and TB will probably be much better than porting a 2g head, will cost less too..

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by Wobble
unless you have a hogged out 1g head with all the trimmings and crap.. and dont care about driving under 4k.. i would get the web street grinds... with a 16g you will probably see and extra 30-40 hp and youll be very intimate with the rev limiter...

With all the very intelligent posts in this thread how could you say something like that? Probably because you didn’t read the whole thread Its painfully obvious that you aren’t speaking from personal experience..

RRE got 40hp with a set of webs on a dyno once but I don’t think ANYONE else has seen gains like that. I can tell you that your idle will needlessly suck and you wont make as much power as even a 264/272 combo. Why anyone would get Webs at this point is beyond me.

Originally posted by Wobble
and just getting a 1g head and TB will probably be much better than porting a 2g head, will cost less too..

PS for most cars out there a 2g head will get you MUCH better low end/mid range without a big trade off on top end. A 2 head with a Magnus 2g intake and a 1g tb would be a PERFECT setup.

 

[klipzedgsx]

272/272 dont worry the idel sounds alsome and the gains are much more. have fun sounding like a charger. and if u have an external dump on that green people wont know if a chopper is coming or a charger have fun

 

[jdmawd]

272/272 sound almost like stock. they sound nothing like a v8 with large cams.

 

[DELTA_Rotary]

Why hasnt somebody posted this link yet? This should end the argueing and bitching about cams. AMS already did a Cam shootout and HKS was the clear winner.


http://www.automotosports.com/cam_test.asp

 

[cait sith]

Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary
Why hasnt somebody posted this link yet? This should end the argueing and bitching about cams. AMS already did a Cam shootout and HKS was the clear winner.


http://www.automotosports.com/cam_test.asp

Meh, I wouldn't say they were the CLEAR winner (at least in the 264 catagory? More later), although the HKS's made 10 ft-lbs more than the JUN's, who conversely made a smidge (Was it a bit less than one horsepower?) more horsepower than the HKS 262's. They list the cams as "STAGE 3" but there is no stage three according to JUN's website.

They (Jun's Camshafts) are just listed like HKS with 264, and 272 (66 and 68 Angle).... AMS didn't list whether or not they used Jun's 264's or 272's. It sounds to me at least, that they used 264 grinds. Only AMS can answer that. Interesting note on the comparison dynos, at least with the HKS 272's vs Jun's is that the Jun's give a much smoother power delivery, while the HKS units have that big jump, then back down.. I'm guessing that's due to the limits of the stock head/intake manifold...

Wait, Jun's have a really weird power delievery compared to everyone else:

http://www.automotosports.com/HKS%20264s%20Vs%20HKS%20272s%20Vs%20Crower%20Vs%20Jun.JPG

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Check out the torque and HP curves versus everyone else's. No drop off/plateuing (especially in the 4 to 4.5k range), and one single peak.

But hey, they're both a lot better than Crower's or Web's.

 

[4g63awdtalon]

dosen't the jun cams have more lift then the hks?

 

[cait sith]

Jun Lift (264 grind): 10.5 mm

HKS Lift (264 grind): 10.3 mm

So yes, I suppose the Jun cams have higher lift. Especially in the exhaust section where they're more like:

Jun: 10.5 mm (264)

HKS: 9.8 mm (264)

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I dunno. Both Jun and HKS are top quality manufacturers, both using the same techniques... Jun just really never had good enough marketing here in North America. It's more of question of which cam you want with more/less lift?

 

[4g63awdtalon]

yeah your right on the marketing thing. not that many prople know about jun

 

[DELTA_Rotary]

Originally posted by 4g63awdtalon
yeah your right on the marketing thing. not that many prople know about jun

Or if they do know them many dont want to pay that much for JUN products when you can get the same results with cheaper parts companies.

Example... have you seen the cost of the 2.2 stroker kit from JUN for the 4G63?

 

[cait sith]

It's not that expensive considering they're giving you a fresh billet machined crank, Cosworth manufactured Pistons/rings, and rods. It's not cheap building a new crank if you're machining it like you would a cam.

While yes, the 4G64 is a better solution for most, it's nice to have an alternative. Most of the EVO guys go for it though, because a 4G64 solution won't work for them.

If you want more lift, well, spend the extra 20 bucks per cam and go Jun. *shrug*

 

[Enzo]

The question becomes, who carries JUN cams in the US? if you have to order them from japan they are astronomically more expensive then the HKS.

 

[jdmawd]

the answer is who the #### cares about jun. the hks cams work nuff said

second answer is who the #### cares about a jun stroker. I trust marco end of dicussion