11.1XX on a T-25??

[jagwired]

i saw that #13 or so in the 1/4 mile time list was a guy that was running a t-25 put down an 11.1 . Is that possible? i always thought the fastest 14b turbo was slower than that and they are much more capable than the t-25.

 

[HIGHWAY]

Well it said he did it with a 140shot,slicks ,and some other mods. I think the car is gutted to,so yea i would say it is possible.

 

[CanadianTSi]

Considering he's on the stock fuel system and the link to the timeslip doesn't work...I'm gonna call BS.

 

[jagwired]

Considering he's on the stock fuel system and the link to the timeslip doesn't work...I'm gonna call BS.

that was my main reasoning for thinking it was fake. and if he was running a 100 shot thru the t25 i would imagine it is no longer with us after that run or is limping pretty bad.

EDIT: actually i looked at his pics and he has about 35 stickers on the car so thats where all the extra speed came from.

 

[logic]

11s on a T-25? Not with a 4g63 engine under the hood, sorry. High 12s, sure, with a LOT of work and some amazing (read: don't care what you break) driving. But an 11-second pass isn't going to happen without a DSM-sized slingshot.

 

[HIGHWAY]

he's got the time slips in his gallery

 

[jagwired]

he could have taken those slips from a friend or anywhere else. i just do not believe it is possible even with 140 shot of nitrous to pull out a "near 10 second pass" on a t25 turbo.
and if he can then he needs to teach a class.

 

[logic]

Okay, here's what I can obviously see: he claims to live in Phoenix, AZ. The timeslip he posted is from Feb. 21, which means it's probably from Firebird International Raceway: they had an IDRC national event there that day. Another notable at the event was Roy Navarez. The time hasn't been posted to DSMtimes as of yet, but it's been a couple of weeks since the last update over there.

Anyone from AZ (maybe someone from the ClubDSM Southwest group) who can confirm this car runs there, it's configured as shown, and can claim ownership of that timeslip? Looking the the ClubDSM_SW list, I'm not seeing any mention of an uber-fast T25-powered DSM at that event, although Roy Navarez knocked off some incredible runs.

I'm willing to be proven wrong on the idea that a T25-powered car with stock intercooling can make a low 11-second pass, but that's really pushing the limits of what I'd consider believable.

 

[logic]

Another followup: looks like that time was run by Brandon Ruiz from Tempe, AZ, according to the official results from that event, in a 1998 Eclipse of some sort. He shows up on DSMtimes with a 12.4 second run on...a T-25. With no nitrous.

Assuming his car really is running a stock T-25 and intercooler (the pictures don't show that portion of the engine bay very well at all), the addition of a 40-shot launch and a 100-shot mid-track could very well knock a substantial chunk off of his time. I'm officially putting my skepticism on hold until someone verifies or refutes this.

 

[jagwired]

i'd really like to get this sorted out. if this time was accurate with the set-up that was listed this should have been big news and well known i would think.
that time would be faster than any 14b and heck i think even any 16g time.

 

[shortydtp]

its nothing different than... "goodwill's" race car.

yes the has run 11.1 with a best of 11.07 that was in 04 the car should do, and we are hoping for an mid to high 10's for this Nopi event comming up in 2 weeks,

also theres gonna be another car with the same setup as brando's car. this one should be around 200lb lighter. so we are hoping on breaking old records,

 

[GRNDSM]

Well, the difference is that Goodwill car was running ~50hp shot and this car is running 140hp... At that rate, forget that POS turbo and run 250hp shot on NT set up!

Seriously, what is the point of handicapping yourself so much? It isn't like this a viable turbo on its own (unlike 14b)! I can't even imagine how restrictive that turbine housing must be when he is making around 400hp. Does he clip those turbos?

And how may T25's has he blown in the process of playing with them? My friend HAD to run this turbo in the late 90's because of SCCA ESP class requirement. He got it to run 25psi (which we all know turned into 10-11psi by 6000rpms), but this required major over-spinning of the turbo. He went through 2 turbos in a matter of 2-3 months. At first, we thought: "what is the big deal, those are disposable turbos and you can pick them up for under $50". Unfortunately, with-in weeks of the second turbo failure, his engine (with only 10k miles) engine spun a bearing and we found turbo bearing fragment ALL OVER his almost new (from Mitsu) engine.

 

[DSM90AWD]

Whoa, 3yo thread alert

BTW, if you think 11s on a T25 are unbelievable, try 10.3s on a T28 (know for a fact is not true)

 

[SBstar]

Whoa, 3yo thread alert

BTW, if you think 11s on a T25 are unbelievable, try 10.3s on a T28 (know for a fact is not true)

link doesn't seem to work....

I think this is what you were referring too....
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?u=34414

 

[shortydtp]

Well, the difference is that Goodwill car was running ~50hp shot and this car is running 140hp... At that rate, forget that POS turbo and run 250hp shot on NT set up!

Seriously, what is the point of handicapping yourself so much? It isn't like this a viable turbo on its own (unlike 14b)! I can't even imagine how restrictive that turbine housing must be when he is making around 400hp. Does he clip those turbos?

And how may T25's has he blown in the process of playing with them? My friend HAD to run this turbo in the late 90's because of SCCA ESP class requirement. He got it to run 25psi (which we all know turned into 10-11psi by 6000rpms), but this required major over-spinning of the turbo. He went through 2 turbos in a matter of 2-3 months. At first, we thought: "what is the big deal, those are disposable turbos and you can pick them up for under $50". Unfortunately, with-in weeks of the second turbo failure, his engine (with only 10k miles) engine spun a bearing and we found turbo bearing fragment ALL OVER his almost new (from Mitsu) engine.

1 car has ran more than 300+ passes same turbo and engine.
2 theres no way a turbo is gonna blow at stock boost unless oil starvation.
3 yyyyynoottt??? we are trying to show that you dont need a big turbo to run good numbers.
4 running 10's in a t28 its much easier than running 10s on a t25.
since t25 flows at about 25lb/min when a t28 flows as much as a small 16g ie 34lb min

 

[shortydtp]

turbo is not clip

 

[ghostcar]

this thread closely mirrors this one..
lots of info about the guy and his setup.. looks like the "BS crew" scared off a valuable source of info.. too bad..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157957

 

[DSM90AWD]

4 running 10's in a t28 its much easier than running 10s on a t25. since t25 flows at about 25lb/min when a t28 flows as much as a small 16g ie 34lb min

If you're talking to me I'm not saying it can't be done (though Joe B's "super-light" FWD car on a much larger EVO16G + N20 is only slightly quicker), just that the guy I linked to told me outright that he listed it in his profile's Timeslip/Dyno as a joke and had run those #s on a T4 setup.

BTW, instead of resurrecting this 3yo thread, why not post back after the NOPI event in a new thread with new times/info

 

[EvolvingGST]

1 car has ran more than 300+ passes same turbo and engine.
2 theres no way a turbo is gonna blow at stock boost unless oil starvation.
3 yyyyynoottt??? we are trying to show that you dont need a big turbo to run good numbers.
4 running 10's in a t28 its much easier than running 10s on a t25.
since t25 flows at about 25lb/min when a t28 flows as much as a small 16g ie 34lb min

With yout times and your experience you have no right to talk to Leon that way. You do know that he is the man who used to hold the 14B record before Joe Bucci and that is without Nitrous. So I think that this man knows what he is talking about. He also has produced a 10s timeslip on the same car. So before you go running your mouth you might want to go on DSMtimes.org and look up who these people are.

Don't go running your mouth and pretending you are an expert unless you are going to provide something better.

 

[logic]

Well, the difference is that Goodwill car was running ~50hp shot and this car is running 140hp... At that rate, forget that POS turbo and run 250hp shot on NT set up!

I think the best way of putting it is that it's a nitrous car with a turbo, vs. a turbo car with nitrous. Just becuase a turbo happens to be plumbed in doesn't mean it's helping much.

My friend HAD to run this turbo in the late 90's because of SCCA ESP class requirement. He got it to run 25psi (which we all know turned into 10-11psi by 6000rpms), but this required major over-spinning of the turbo.

Sure, but consider that this fellow doesn't need to run more than stock boost; he's compensating with nitrous, so he's probably not ruining turbos. Your friend (I know I've heard ACM, and I believe Fedja, complaining about this; did I guess right? ) didn't have any choice but to run stupid amounts of boost on that turbo because no other power adders were allowed, so the turbo (or at least the seals) becomes a regular maintenance item. I don't envy that problem, but I don't think it's one this guy has to deal with.

I can see the point as an exercise in proving that you can do incredible things with nitrous, but I think most of us already knew that. shortydtp said: "we are trying to show that you dont need a big turbo to run good numbers". In fact, you're showing that you don't even need a turbo to run good numbers, since that extra 25lbs/min of airflow you're getting from a T-25 really isn't helping all that much; in fact, you could argue that the heat it's generating is probably causing more harm than good, given the impressive cooling capabilities of the stock side-mount intercooler.

To EvolvingGST: I get the impression that shortydtp is at least somewhat involved in the construction of the car in question, or a similar vehicle. If so, while he was rather rude about it, he's earned the right to at least talk about the technical aspects. And after a certain car had it's wing taken hostage, I suspect Leon has thick enough skin to deal with someone arguing with him on the Internet.

 

[shortydtp]

sorry i dint wanna come in here and be rude. thats not the person i am, maybe my sucky tipyng show that . hahaha

anyways, leon you know what?? thats great!! i give you props for having the best record in a 14b turbo alone, i dint come here to brag but as far as i know we have the best record on a T25 http://dsmtimes.org/details.php?ID=672 wich i belive is 12.4 on turbo alone.

 

[shortydtp]

With yout times and your experience you have no right to talk to Leon that way. You do know that he is the man who used to hold the 14B record before Joe Bucci and that is without Nitrous. So I think that this man knows what he is talking about. He also has produced a 10s timeslip on the same car. So before you go running your mouth you might want to go on DSMtimes.org and look up who these people are.

Don't go running your mouth and pretending you are an expert unless you are going to provide something better.

i am not aware on the numbers leon is running. but what does that have to do with respect??
hahaha how am i runing my mouth?? i never talked shit to no one on this forum ??

i am just here on my defend that all....

 

[GRNDSM]

No offence taken, Jose. I do have a pretty thick skin (take a look at my old car, I had to have it... ), but I didn't find anything offensive from what you had to say, anyway.

In order to make upward of 400hp this car must be flowing some serious air through the engine. So what comes must come out and all that air (now exhaust gas) must exit through that puny turbo, spinning it MUCH faster than what it does under normal boost.

I find it very unlikely that this is his original turbo... (unless he only made a couple of such passes).

Of all the people, I can certainly understand the desire to go fast with a small turbo, but to a point. Setting any kind of T25 records is sort of meaningless because it is such bad turbo... It can't even maintain stock boost (14.5psi) on a stock 2G motor.

I respect that car for what it is: a fast DSM, but IMHO the mega N20 shot invalidates T25s contribution to those numbers... It is fast INSPITE the T25 and not because of it. I can see that car picking up a lot of power from 14b or 16g.

BTW, my 14b times are in my profile under my "Parts Wishlist"

 

[logic]

So what comes must come out and all that air (now exhaust gas) must exit through that puny turbo, spinning it MUCH faster than what it does under normal boost.

Assuming he has a stock wastegate and hasn't ported the living daylights out of the turbine housing, no? Add an external wastegate to the mix, and suddenly this doesn't seem too unreasonable...

 

[GRNDSM]

Notice that I never doubted the fact that they can be doing this. I am just pointing out a major bottleneck in that set-up. External WG would help, but we are still talking about a pretty restrictive exhaust path for 400hp engine...