Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

Ludachris · Apr 6, 2002

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

DSMSpyder99 · Nov 16, 2003

will what 20G are you talking about a TDo5H or a TD06H :confused:

1fast97gsx · Nov 17, 2003

I have a ported 16g right now which has brough me into the 12s, but I want to go faster. I am searching for a turbo that will still bolt up to the stock manifold but bring me into the 11s for sure. This is on a 97 gsx. I was thinking about a 20g, but more options are welcomed.... thanks.

DSMSpyder99 · Nov 17, 2003

get a 50 Trim/Green

LandoAWD · Nov 17, 2003

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12447

See #6.

Airpoppoff · Nov 17, 2003

Originally posted by DSMSpyder99
get a 50 Trim/Green

1fast97gsx · Dec 22, 2003

I know this is asked all the time, but I figured I'd ask as well since you guys wouild know best.

I had a 16g on a 97 gsx with all supporting mods. I have the stock 2g manifold, but it was ported, and other than that from the O2 housing down everything is aftermarket.

I just sold the 16g and I have $1000 or so to spend on a new turbo. I am looking for something that will get me into the low 11s for sure. I was doing high 12s in the 16g, but now it is more of a drag car and I don't care about spool up. The one thing I do want is to have it just bolt right in.

AMS sells a t3/t4 setup that is 100% bolt on which they recommended to me. They sell it for $995. Is it worth it? AMS TURBO What other turbos should I consider? I want at LEAST 400 whp or so. Thanks.

1fast97gsx · Dec 22, 2003

I'm talking to someone right now who has an FP green for sale. Any comments on this turbo as far as more parts I'd need for the install? It all bolts up right? How much boost and how much power are these capable of? He wants $800 for it ...

AutoX DSM · Dec 22, 2003

Have you looked at the Forced Performance 3052?

It'll cast a little more because you'll need to buy a Tial WG and a new O2 housing, but it's a really sweet turbo.

1fast97gsx · Dec 22, 2003

I have heard of it but I don't know any details ... do you have a link or anything? I might be interested, I can spend more than $1000 if it's necessary, that was just kind of a base number.

VRMAN · Dec 22, 2003

PTE 56 Trim for sure. $900 bucks and sure to get you 11s.

TurboJimbo · Dec 22, 2003

Check out www.extremeturbo.com they've got a number of T3/T4 turbos that support anywhere from 360-600+whp. All their turbos are direct bolt ons with enlarged internal wastegates. I plan on getting the ETA32 for my GS-T, which supports 440whp. Like I said check out their website and read about their turbos and specs...you won't be disappointed. :thumb:

Groomz · Dec 22, 2003

FP3052 is a good turbo, but will run you close to 2K for the turbo, downpipe adapter and other accessories.

www.forcedperformance.net

A PTE 50 trim would be good for 10s, so I would only go with that trim level turbo.

http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/turboparts.shtml

Bolt on and since you'll be running high boost anyway, an external wastegate would not be as necessary.
A TDO6H-20G turbo would also be good for 11s, but would require more mods to make the same power as a 50 trim turbo.

I would also recommend a tubular exhaust manifold.

www.dnperformance.com

Good luck. :thumb:

1fast97gsx · Dec 23, 2003

Thanks for all the replys ... does anyone have any opinions about the t3/t4 AMS sells that I have linked in my original post? Thanks.

Mike 99GSX · Dec 23, 2003

Originally posted by Groomz
FP3052 is a good turbo, but will run you close to 2K for the turbo, downpipe adapter and other accessories.

www.forcedperformance.net

A PTE 50 trim would be good for 10s, so I would only go with that trim level turbo.

http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/turboparts.shtml

Bolt on and since you'll be running high boost anyway, an external wastegate would not be as necessary.
A TDO6H-20G turbo would also be good for 11s, but would require more mods to make the same power as a 50 trim turbo.

I would also recommend a tubular exhaust manifold.

www.dnperformance.com

Good luck.

I wouldn't say a 50 trim is good for 10s. Maybe on a perfectly tuned car but realistically no. There currently isn't one car running 10s on http://www.dsmtimes.org with a 50 trim.

jdmawd · Dec 23, 2003

I have used two of the turbos mentioned in this thread. For the price I choose the PTE 50 trim. For best performance a full Garrett 50 trim would most likely make more power. Yet yield a tad more lag then a 50 trim in a PTE housing.

I currently run a FP3052. It spools about 200 rpms earlier then my previous pte 50 trim. The 3052 has a larger turbine housing compressor wheel and turbine wheel. Which should have more lag during initial spool up.

Remember ball bearing turbos are not supposed to spool any quicker just recover more rapidly between shifts. This has not been my experience but whatever. I have a dyno appointment today so i will have some hard numbers later today.

I don't expect to break any 50 trim records but with the only change being the fp3052 from a pte 50 trim. I can tell you that the 3052 *feels* like is pulls harder at 20 psi and DEFINITELY spools faster then the old pte did at 25.

The PTE was very flat and lazy under 20 psi and really didn't have much useable power at part throttle. The 3052 has usable power everywhere and is constantly spooled to 8-10 psi under load. The turbo is very punchy and drivable. The setup will cost you around 2K to get the turbo up and running on your car.

Mike 99GSX · Dec 23, 2003

JDM- Doesn't the 50 trim wheel flow 49 lb/min and the 3052 wheel flows 52 Lb/min? I didn't realize that FP was calling that turbo a "50 trim". Thats whats deceiving about all these comparrisions that "50 trim" is not always the same wheel that everyone is talking about because it is a mathematical relationship. I wouldn't really consider an AGP 50 trim and a FP3052 comparable because of this for example.

jdmawd · Dec 23, 2003

Originally posted by Mike 99GSX
JDM- Doesn't the 50 trim wheel flow 49 lb/min and the 3052 wheel flows 52 Lb/min? I didn't realize that FP was calling that turbo a "50 trim".

You are correct, i don't think they are calling the 3052 a 50 trim. Maybe my post was not clear on that. i was just comparing the two

Mike 99GSX · Dec 23, 2003

Originally posted by jdmawd
You are correct, i don't think they are calling the 3052 a 50 trim. Maybe my post was not clear on that. i was just comparing the two

Do you know if the (exducer/inducer)2x100 math works out to 50? Just for the hell of it? I'm guessing nobody really knows the size of that wheel unless they've taken a micrometer to it.

jdmawd · Dec 23, 2003

No clue

TurboSpoolinIns · Dec 23, 2003

I saw that FP posted something about the 3052 being a GT37 wheel. There is a 52 trim GT37 and the inducer/exducer is:
inducer: 2.157 exeducer: 2.992/76mm
and there is one slightly bigger which has a
inducer of: 2.327 and exducer of 3.228/82mm

both are 52 trim wheels. The smaller one says it pushes 50 lb/min and the other wheel pushes about 57 lb/min. Anyone know if these are what's use in the 3052?

Kevin90GSX · Feb 23, 2004

Ok as some of you know I was running the FP49 (PTE SCM50). Well my buddy offered me some money and I sold it.

I had plans to go with the green model turbo cause its pruven itself but at the same time its also quite expensive.

What do you guys think is a comparable turbo to the green and will net me the same results without losing the reliability that you get with a green.

I was lookin at the AGP turbos but wasnt sure what would compare.

Give me your thoughts as I always appreciate the help of the community.

candela · Feb 23, 2004

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...duct_Code=NTDSMFP3052&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo :thumb:

jdmawd · Feb 23, 2004

I agree with candela(whats new right

However not many people have put down hard numbers with the FP3052 including myself. If you have the coin to give the 3052 a shot. I would definitely give that turbo a try.

You and I have very similar setup and have similar times using the PTE50 trim. I can honestly tell you that with no other changes at the same boost level. My pte 50 trim was not in the same solar system as the 3052.

If you are interested in a 50 trim setup you cant go wrong with the green. It just works (nuff said). For the money a full Garrett 50 trim setup like what AGP offers is a good choice also.Maybe even better then the green(who knows) :thumb:

Slappster · Feb 23, 2004

FP 3065 if you want to go big.

Kevin90GSX · Feb 23, 2004

Dont you need to buy a o2 housing with a band clamp as well?

What would you guys suggest for a nice comparable AGP turbo?

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