What to do when your GST is too fast?

[truwarrior]

People say the AWD conversion isn't worth it, but I'd hate to transfer all the parts to a GSX only to have the stock tranny and axels die from too much power.

Wouldn't it be best to convert a GST to AWD with built parts.

I guess the best thing would find a GSX with a blown tranny and motor for cheap...

 

[bhop]

First off.. Too Fast? no such thing..

Second.. your post doesn't really make any sense. If you were to do a conversion, you'd still have the same stresses, but it would've costed you much more to get to that point.

 

[Tallen]

I went to a GSX and i'm glad. By no means will a 16G make "too much" power.

 

[truwarrior]

Well I've heard of guys installing evoIII tranny's instead of dsm tranny's during the conversion...orelse get atleast a built DSM tranny from shep or something.

Yes I have a EVO16G, but I'm maxing it out so I'm thinking 20G or 60trim range next time I replace the turbo.

One thing I still need are some cams.

 

[truwarrior]

First off.. Too Fast? no such thing..

Second.. your post doesn't really make any sense. If you were to do a conversion, you'd still have the same stresses, but it would've costed you much more to get to that point.

Well maybe to much power that's not put down to the ground.

Kinda sux not being able to use antilag off the launch.

 

[zachakagoat]

Your best bet would be to find a GSX shell with a blown motor, the tranny doesn't have to be blown try and find one with maybe the timing belt jumped and they don't want to fix it. There are ALOT of 2g shells out there now adays and it wouldnt take more than a weekend to pull the motor on each and swap them for an average mechanic. After you swap the parts you could part out your gst and then you will make most of the money back that it took to do the swap and you can have a GSX for like 500$ or so

 

[99gst_racer]

Dude, no offense, but you are definitely not too fast, yet. If your mod list is correct, then you have a stock head, block, tranny, clutch/flywheel, etc... It sounds like you are having problems with traction (ei. putting that power to the ground). It doesnt help to have a quick spooling turbo and a stock diff. on a FWD. You could get an LSD, prothane motor mounts, stiff rear suspension (or stiff entire suspension), use slicks at the track, etc... There are ways to get traction in a FWD. But a big turbo at high boost coupled with stock power transfer components will definately not get your horsepower to the ground. Keep modding, or buy a GSX.

 

[Talesin]

With the listed components, just sounds like wheel hop. And there's no way you'd break a GSX tranny due to 'too much power' with that mod list. Maybe when you bring it up past 300hp you'd start getting concerned. But for now, it's no issue. Transfer it over to a rolling-chassis GSX while you're still as early on in mods as your list appears to be.

 

[truwarrior]

I'm not useing my car as an example, I'm saying in general. My mod list hasn't been updated in a long time anyways.

 

[Ludachris]

How fast is "too fast"? Looking at your mod list, it doesn't seem like your car would be all that fast... (your profile IS up to date isn't it?) What power numbers you putting down? What's your 1/4 time?

We have some people here with fast FWD cars. It's just a matter of learning how to launch it (and using slicks). I personally don't see any good reason to attempt a drivetrain swap on your car. It makes more sense (cost and effort) to just move all your parts to an AWD car. And your fear of breaking things after you do the swap - that can happen on your car now, so don't waste your time worrying. Things will break, get used to it. You'll end up needing a tranny rebuild at some point down the road regardless. Don't let that keep you from buying an AWD car. And I don't think you'll be breaking axles until you are putting down over 400 at the wheels. Rule of thumb would be to save up enough money to rebuild the tranny before you get to that point.

When you build up a car to go fast, parts are going to break. This is the hobby you've chosen. It's not cheap. Shortcuts only cost you more money in the long run.

 

[truwarrior]

Does a evoIII tranny really fit in the car without goin overboard? I'll have to contact the guy I know doin it and find out his progress.

 

[GSTROJO]

FWD to AWD article

Preety good read on a guy that decided to convert his GST to AWD.

# Required AWD Parts
# Transmission
# Transfer case
# Front axles
# Drive shaft
# Exhaust
# Fuel tank and shield
# Rear subframe
# Rear axles
# Rear differential
# Swaybar
# Rear knuckles
# E-brake cables
# AWD Flywheel


If guys on 14B's have run low 11s on them, and a B16G flows alot more than a 14B, I am preety sure the 16G is a good turbo, guys now just go with 50trims right off the bat.

 

[truwarrior]

FWD to AWD article

Preety good read on a guy that decided to convert his GST to AWD.

# Required AWD Parts
# Transmission
# Transfer case
# Front axles
# Drive shaft
# Exhaust
# Fuel tank and shield
# Rear subframe
# Rear axles
# Rear differential
# Swaybar
# Rear knuckles
# E-brake cables
# AWD Flywheel


If guys on 14B's have run low 11s on them, and a B16G flows alot more than a 14B, I am preety sure the 16G is a good turbo, guys now just go with 50trims right off the bat.

Converting to a GSX is cool and all but I'm looking for something stronger/better shifting. That's why I'm intrested in the evoIII tranny swap that I heard about...

 

[Talesin]

Truwarrior, try updating your mod list then. Because your current one looks pretty damned anemic, honestly, to worry about breaking any kind of tranny, especially even a stock AWD.

So unless you're going for insane amounts of overkill, you very likely don't need it. Just transfer to a GSX. It'll be cheaper, and work better.

 

[Ludachris]

Converting to a GSX is cool and all but I'm looking for something stronger/better shifting. That's why I'm intrested in the evoIII tranny swap that I heard about...

The stock trannies seem to work fine for the rest of us. Once you get a stock tranny rebuilt, it will be stronger. An stock Evo3 tranny will break too when you overload it with too much power. Ask any of the fast guys on this page if they're having trouble with their tranny - or if they had to go with an Evo3 tranny:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/timeslips.php

Your original question was asking if it would be better to convert your GS-T to a GSX with rebuilt/stronger parts. The answer is - it would cost a shit load of money and would be more work, requiring welding, cutting, and fabrication to do a conversion. It would be more cost effective and less work to buy a GSX and transfer over all your bolt-on parts. People don't understand that this isn't a simply bolt-on conversion. It's very involved and requires a LOT of labor.

In most cases, it would likely NOT be the "better" choice.