The Central Hub for DSM Community and Information

For 1990-1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser, and Galant VR-4 Owners. This is where the DSM platform history is documented and archived. Log in to help us in our mission, and to remove most ads from the browsing experience.

What did you do to your DSM today?

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

You must be logged in to view this image or video.


After I got the injectors back from FIC(keep in mind they only charged me for a flow test), they got a clean bill of health. So I popped them in, fixed a few leaks with some new o-rings and started her up...to my amazement the idle is so much smoother now that I can actually lower idle RPM in Link to 750RPM! Down from 1100. This car refused to idle at anything below 1000 for the entirety of me owning it. Needless to say, I'm stoked.


Talking with FIC, part of their process is to remove the filter baskets at the top of the injector before they flow test them. I guess that must have been a restriction or a blockage there, because they idle better with NOTHING CHANGED than before and all they charged me for is a flow test, not a cleaning service. Couldn't be happier.

Fuel map and timing map needs some tweaking here because it did eventually die out after extended idling, but with some tweaks I think it'll purr.
Good news... if you have fuel with ethanol mixed in those filter will gum up. You are probably much richer in your map now
 
Good news... if you have fuel with ethanol mixed in those filter will gum up. You are probably much richer in your map now


There's sadly no E85 near me so I don't think so. However these injectors sat around for like 8-10 years. It's definitely richer now, Link is pulling like 5%-10% at idle where before it was fairly lean.
 
There's sadly no E85 near me so I don't think so. However these injectors sat around for like 8-10 years. It's definitely richer now, Link is pulling like 5%-10% at idle where before it was fairly lean.
Look at your pump gas... ours is up to 10 percent ethanol in Colorado.. but sitting can do it too
 
Look at your pump gas... ours is up to 10 percent ethanol in Colorado.. but sitting can do it too


True. It was E10 back then. Modern pump(here) is like up to 15% now.


Not making anything political, this is simply unbiased/unopinioned fact, Biden signed into law about a year or so into his presidency to increase the allowable ethanol in gasoline to 15% instead of 10% to 'lower gas prices'. My area was one of the ones who did this. So yeah. Definitely didn't think about that.
 
Took delivery of some super prohibited sway bar links that got the attention of Canada Customs on entry. I wondered why the shipment was running late, turns out it's because some CBSA Agent was fondling my RoadNutz to make sure they won't be used inappropriately.

The RoadNutz (Viamoto UK) adjustable links are really nice, though. I'm genuinely surprised since the price was so much lower than Whiteline's adjustable links, so I think the Whiteline links are just hugely overpriced at this point. The CV boots look good too. Better than the low grade trash rubber boots from Rock Auto, but the same price (these buggers are hard to find).
You must be logged in to view this image or video.

You must be logged in to view this image or video.

You must be logged in to view this image or video.
I'm not a suspension guy. I've made improvements but adjustability is not in my wheelhouse. What does an adjustable sway bar link do for you?
 
I'm not a suspension guy. I've made improvements but adjustability is not in my wheelhouse. What does an adjustable sway bar link do for you?
Two ways. When you lower the car, you affect the movement arc of the sway bar - ideally you want the sway bar in the same as the resting position at stock height, but it's not critical. The bigger issue is that when you lower the car, you may be lowering each corner unevenly, which preloads the sway bar on that side. That wears out parts and may create undesirable handling traits. These install with the suspension totally loaded, so the sway bar can be linked to the control arms (or struts, in my case) without any preload whatsoever, allowing it to do its job.
 
True. It was E10 back then. Modern pump(here) is like up to 15% now.


Not making anything political, this is simply unbiased/unopinioned fact, Biden signed into law about a year or so into his presidency to increase the allowable ethanol in gasoline to 15% instead of 10% to 'lower gas prices'. My area was one of the ones who did this. So yeah. Definitely didn't think about that.
More ethanol more gumming up when sitting.. Also less mpg... Biden wanted prices to "look" cheaper. Slight of hand
 
I don't have a president, just a dimwitted english-inspired government, but I'm not about to scapegoat our PM either when it comes to energy issues and costs.
The O&G executives are mandated to continually increase profits YoY. They're not allowed to have a bad quarter. They'll do anything they can and have ten times the resources of government to find loop holes around laws and ways to increase profits whilst making shit worse (they are not mutually exclusive).

That being said, our major gas stations still just say "Up to 10% ethanol" but corn we grow is for eatin' mostly (I think).

Sooner or later, synthetic gasoline will catch on.
 
Two ways. When you lower the car, you affect the movement arc of the sway bar - ideally you want the sway bar in the same as the resting position at stock height, but it's not critical. The bigger issue is that when you lower the car, you may be lowering each corner unevenly, which preloads the sway bar on that side. That wears out parts and may create undesirable handling traits. These install with the suspension totally loaded, so the sway bar can be linked to the control arms (or struts, in my case) without any preload whatsoever, allowing it to do its job.
Can you explain more about that ?
 
I don't have a president, just a dimwitted english-inspired government, but I'm not about to scapegoat our PM either when it comes to energy issues and costs.
The O&G executives are mandated to continually increase profits YoY. They're not allowed to have a bad quarter. They'll do anything they can and have ten times the resources of government to find loop holes around laws and ways to increase profits whilst making shit worse (they are not mutually exclusive).

That being said, our major gas stations still just say "Up to 10% ethanol" but corn we grow is for eatin' mostly (I think).

Sooner or later, synthetic gasoline will catch on.


Yeah, the PM thing is still a mystery to me. I've no idea what power he has or doesn't have. But the president of the US can do "executive orders" and that's precisely what happened here. It wasn't some executive on a board or congress that voted it into being and all the president could do was sign the law. He drafted(supposedly..) it and put it out there. 100% buck stops with him.
 
Yeah, the PM thing is still a mystery to me. I've no idea what power he has or doesn't have. But the president of the US can do "executive orders" and that's precisely what happened here. It wasn't some executive on a board or congress that voted it into being and all the president could do was sign the law. He drafted(supposedly..) it and put it out there. 100% buck stops with him.
No idea if a PM could just write certain shit into being willynilly.. Wouldn't really care either way since it's only valid for a term until the next dork can undo it nillywilly.

So the problem is that ethanol content could now be up to 15% and gas prices were supposed to drop as a result, but they didn't? If so, why not take that issue to those that set the costs
 
No idea if a PM could just write certain shit into being willynilly.. Wouldn't really care either way since it's only valid for a term until the next dork can undo it nillywilly.

So the problem is that ethanol content could now be up to 15% and gas prices were supposed to drop as a result, but they didn't? If so, why not take that issue to those that set the costs


I am taking issue with the person responsible. That wasn't the only E.O. signed. Another one ended the Keystone Pipeline, cancelled all new oil drilling projects in the US, it was a (legitimate) record number that was signed and as a direct result skyrocketed oil prices in the U.S(among other things). Like I said, the buck stops with the one making these decisions. As another little nice fact, his family(including son) all sit on boards of oil companies and "energy" companies and directly benefits from those record profits when oil is 3x the price of what it used to be. Same thing with a few other previous Presidents and VPs we've had(like one guy who shot some dude while hunting ROFL).


There was a previous dude though that made that national average for gas like $1.50/gallon. And when OPEC started raising prices of oil, he tweeted out basically "OPEC needs to chill TF out and lower prices" and they actually did. :idontknow:
 
Can you explain more about that ?
In the second scenario - if you are lowered unevenly, it means your control arms will sit at different angles while static. With equal length sway bar links, you would always be putting force on the sway bar. This uneven setting could create different steering balance between left and right, like having different spring rates, or could cause weight jacking. The rate of the sway bar's effect could also change, since it is a spring after all - if it's always partially sprung, it may be more or less effective with the remaining motion it has left.

I have heard of Evo 123 owners routinely wearing out sway bar links on lowered cars because they're always under stress. They're meant to be totally relaxed while static. Racers set corner weights of their cars with the sway bars unhooked to prevent them from affecting the balance, and then set the sway bar link length to a neutral position.
 
Finally got to take it for a nice long drive by myself to figure out all the things I need to fix, but despite everything going on personally, I was able to take it to the dog park today and start dialing in the car at roughly 29:30ish PSI

You must be logged in to view this image or video.
 

Attachments

You must be registered for see attachments list
In the second scenario - if you are lowered unevenly, it means your control arms will sit at different angles while static. With equal length sway bar links, you would always be putting force on the sway bar. This uneven setting could create different steering balance between left and right, like having different spring rates, or could cause weight jacking. The rate of the sway bar's effect could also change, since it is a spring after all - if it's always partially sprung, it may be more or less effective with the remaining motion it has left.

I have heard of Evo 123 owners routinely wearing out sway bar links on lowered cars because they're always under stress. They're meant to be totally relaxed while static. Racers set corner weights of their cars with the sway bars unhooked to prevent them from affecting the balance, and then set the sway bar link length to a neutral position.
I’m interested in this topic bcs i have little lowered car in terms of street use/hobby racing and i want to maximize useage of what i have inside and minimalize fast part wearing… when i did my whole front suspension my sway bars links i connected easy without any pulling, so im curious about what are you talking. Im lowered about -35mm (standard aftermarket spring lowering rate). I changed all bushings to poly, new KYB shocks, subframe…

But from nowhere my passenger side camber is -0.5° and driver side is almost -4° and i dont know why that much
 
I’m interested in this topic bcs i have little lowered car in terms of street use/hobby racing and i want to maximize useage of what i have inside and minimalize fast part wearing… when i did my whole front suspension my sway bars links i connected easy without any pulling, so im curious about what are you talking. Im lowered about -35mm (standard aftermarket spring lowering rate). I changed all bushings to poly, new KYB shocks, subframe…

But from nowhere my passenger side camber is -0.5° and driver side is almost -4° and i dont know why that much
Springs with factory style struts will be more consistent than an adjustable coil over. Height adjustment is the variable, and a lot of people don’t know what they’re doing when they set ride height, often setting it on looks alone. If you have inconsistent camber, you either have a parts mismatch or bent parts. I don’t know much about DSM suspension, but if the change was sudden, I’d assume that a bolt could have slipped on the subframe, too.
 
I have static, not coilovers… i wanted set ride height, lowest as i can, but without scratching and i wanted to drive everywhere, so there were compromise, when it will be often daily driven… but with that camber im not sure where to start, beacuse i changed everything for “refreshed” parts what dont look bended or welded… i dont know, if that camber been there before i did this … chassis was once crashed, but i just flattened and pulled front holder for cooler with tow hook a little… i think same fittment problem had JesseGSX , too on the driver side…
 
I have static, not coilovers… i wanted set ride height, lowest as i can, but without scratching and i wanted to drive everywhere, so there were compromise, when it will be often daily driven… but with that camber im not sure where to start, beacuse i changed everything for “refreshed” parts what dont look bended or welded… i dont know, if that camber been there before i did this … chassis was once crashed, but i just flattened and pulled front holder for cooler with tow hook a little… i think same fittment problem had JesseGSX , too on the driver side…
I'm confused. Isn't static equal to coilovers? Or you mean you're bagged?
 
Yesterday evening I removed the shifter assembly to replace all bushings. I only had the shifter bushings so I replaced all 6 of those and I ordered the base bushings and the stop. Hopefully they will make it this week. I also got the Rollerblade bearings in for the shifter cable ends.
 
Took off the throttle body, switched it out with another one that was in better condition, cleaned it up, installed a new tps, new throttle body gaskets, replaced a few vacuum lines. I'm going to buy all new stock injectors after the holidays.

Still working on getting the left headlight working. The turn signal and markers are working, but one of the previous owners cut the plug and did some shady wiring so he could have underglow. So, I'm going to have to cut all that out until I reach the factory wires and repair it correctly.

Paint prep work continues. It's almost time to replace the interior carpet, install sound proofing in the floor, and buy two new bucket seats. She's coming along quite nicely.
 
I'm confused. Isn't static equal to coilovers? Or you mean you're bagged?
Static is for me static suspension without ride height setting…. Fixed or name it whatever you want…

Coilover is this for me ⬇️

You must be logged in to view this image or video.
 

Attachments

You must be registered for see attachments list
Add Value - Be Respectful - No Trolling - No Misinformation - Participate Often!
Support Vendors who Support the DSM Community

Build Thread Updates

Latest Classifieds

Back
Top