W/these mods. GT35R or T3/T4 or 20G BB.

[enash99]

So i have read the threads and this seems like a highly debated topic. Just in the "similar threads we found" section there is great info. But I want to hear from people that are running them. I have a fresh clean plate to start with. The 1G i bought is completely stock and never has had a bolt turned on it. Only Oil and gas for its whole life. I have cash in my pocket and I am ready to start. So with that in mind. Here is where i am thinking about going. Please suggest different parts if you experienced better results. Or bad results. I want upwards of 500 Daily AWD WHP on 93 Octane fuel.

HKS Cams 272.
port/polished Head with 2g lifters
rebuilt 6bolt. I want recommendations on pistons/rods/crank.
FMIC 3 inch piping
Exhaust Mani bought for which ever turbo I go with.
720 inj's
Evo 8 ECU, ECUflash tuning. W/launch control etc..
Bigger Throttle Body
Larger FPR
Walbro 255
Automatic rebuild or cleaning which ever the shop says, 4 sp Center diff.
Shift kit with supporting mods. to make auto strong enough to hold 700WHP
rebuilt rear diff upgraded shafts


Now I know the T3/T4 comes in a million differ ar numbers. I was thinking about 53mm comp side and not sure on the hot side. I do want to see full boost by 3500-3800. The 35R I can get it about 3800. So I all ears about recommendations. I cant wait to start the year off right with a new car, and a new build project. Man this is going to be a blast. And I just got my title in the mail today from the DMV. So its offically in my name! woot!

 

[LiquidX]

So i have read the threads and this seems like a highly debated topic. Just in the "similar threads we found" section there is great info. But I want to hear from people that are running them. I have a fresh clean plate to start with. The 1G i bought is completely stock and never has had a bolt turned on it. Only Oil and gas for its whole life. I have cash in my pocket and I am ready to start. So with that in mind. Here is where i am thinking about going. Please suggest different parts if you experienced better results. Or bad results. I want upwards of 500 Daily AWD WHP on 93 Octane fuel.

HKS Cams 272. Too pricey, check out Delta Cam
port/polished Head with 2g lifters PnP will help, but not needed. You also want the 3g revised lifters
rebuilt 6bolt. I want recommendations on pistons/rods/crank. I personally run Mahle pistons, Eagle rods and the stock crank. The rods are rated for up to 700hp and the stock crank will go with them as well
FMIC 3 inch piping Check out the VRSF kit
Exhaust Mani bought for which ever turbo I go with.
720 inj's Better off getting the largest injectors you can. Will you run E85 in the future?
Evo 8 ECU, ECUflash tuning. W/launch control etc.. Will work once you figure out the tuning process otherwise, ECMTuning, Inc. is another great option
Bigger Throttle Body
Larger FPR You mean an AFPR
Walbro 255
Automatic rebuild or cleaning which ever the shop says, 4 sp Center diff.
Shift kit with supporting mods. to make auto strong enough to hold 700WHP
rebuilt rear diff upgraded shafts


Now I know the T3/T4 comes in a million differ ar numbers. I was thinking about 53mm comp side and not sure on the hot side. I do want to see full boost by 3500-3800. The 35R I can get it about 3800. So I all ears about recommendations. I cant wait to start the year off right with a new car, and a new build project. Man this is going to be a blast. And I just got my title in the mail today from the DMV. So its offically in my name! woot!

I highly doubt you'll reach full boost on a LARGE turbo by those numbers. You may get away with it going with a true twinscroll setup though but that's a costly setup. Check out the Holset HX40. You'll have MUCH more to do than what you listed to get above 500hp but it is a start. I recommend checking the upgrade path on here and build it up that way and have it planned out to a T so you don't spend more money than you need to. Check the classifieds section for used parts.

 

[enash99]

I highly doubt you'll reach full boost on a LARGE turbo by those numbers. You may get away with it going with a true twinscroll setup though but that's a costly setup. Check out the Holset HX40. You'll have MUCH more to do than what you listed to get above 500hp but it is a start. I recommend checking the upgrade path on here and build it up that way and have it planned out to a T so you don't spend more money than you need to. Check the classifieds section for used parts.

Good input thanks, So with a GT35R what is my expected RPM that I will be at full boost.

As for the upgrade path. I am building this all at once, Im not planning on buying a part now, then a part in 3 months, I am going to decide a path now and go tht route. I have no problems with buying from the classifieds. I just need to know the route to take. Why are these parts not able to reach 500Hp? What would I need to change to reach 500HP then? With a reasonable spool time.

 

[LiquidX]

Well, take all the info you will recieve on here and search, read, search, read and read some more. You want to build your car, not someone else's dream car. To go for your goal, find the turbo that will get you the numbers you need and build around that turbo to get the most out of it. A larger turbo will have a higher powerband so you'll need upgraded springs as well and will say go with the beehive style. The cams will affect the powerband as well which is what you want to match to the turbos output range to get the most from it. What compression ratio do you want to go with? If you plan on high boost, lower compression is generally better to reduce chances for knock where as higher compression is harder to tune for but has more power out of boost. Do you want to go lightweight or rebuild your motor every few years? Every part you install will affect everything differently and overall, your numbers will be based off of the fuel used, boost number and how well the tune is. You can build a motor capable of handling xxx hp but without the right fuel, boost and tune, you won't reach it.

Basically, I'm trying to get you to see what other people run for the range you are looking at going and why they are choosing to use "x" part insteady of "y" part.

DSM Dyno Challenge - Highest Horsepower

 

[snowborder714]

Bench racing is not allowed (i.e. "How much power will this setup put down?"). If you'd like to know, look at the link LiQUiDx provide and search through the dyno numbers.

Do you plan on doing all the maintenance before you build it or during the build? Keep in mind this is very important, especially if you want a 500hp daily driver. This can be a big chunk of money to do it all properly, so just keep that in mind.

Any reason for wanting a 500hp daily driver? I'm not opposed to this, but I think that building a car up that much just to daily drive it is a waste of money.

Now, you say you want full boost by 3500-3800. Just an FYI, I see full boost on a small 16g around 3500 RPMs. You really think you can get a 35r up to full boost under 4000 RPMs? If so, I want to see that!! So, with that in mind, you have a choice. You either need to deal with more lag or go with a smaller hp goal (which is possible on other turbos). Personally, for a daily driver, I'd want a car that is very peppy and not much lag. Maybe look into an HX35, 3065/3052, 50 trim, etc. Heck, there's people running big 16g's over 400hp!

As for your parts list:

HKS Cams 272. - Look into Delta's if on a tighter budget, or FP or Kelford if you want to go big
port/polished Head with 2g lifters - Shouldn't need a PnP for your goal, and get 3g Topline lifters (check eBay)
rebuilt 6bolt. I want recommendations on pistons/rods/crank. - stock crank for sure
FMIC 3 inch piping - I'd say to look into some smaller piping per this thread
Exhaust Mani bought for which ever turbo I go with.
720 inj's - Go bigger - look into the FIC BlueMAX line
Evo 8 ECU, ECUflash tuning. W/launch control etc.. - I didn't realize the Evo 8 ECU's worked in 1g's. Also keep in mind ECMlink, DSmap, etc.
Bigger Throttle Body - Not necessary, especially if you're keeping the 1g intake manifold
Larger FPR - You mean AFPR
Walbro 255
Automatic rebuild or cleaning which ever the shop says, 4 sp Center diff.
Shift kit with supporting mods. to make auto strong enough to hold 700WHP
rebuilt rear diff upgraded shafts - I've heard great stuff about IPT

 

[pboglio]

500 a.w.h.p. is not going to happen with a 20g either, not with that list of mods. It would definitely take a GT35R to do it and they are not known to be a quick spooling turbo. Here is a link for the FP3065, which if I recall is a GT35R CHRA : http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...d-performance-fp3065-fp3575-turbo-review.html I could see a tweaked out GT30R or FP3052 hitting 500 w.h.p., but it would be tapped out. Here are the dyno numbers for the FP3052: Forced Performance Turbochargers: DSM FP3052 Ball Bearing Turbocharger

I think your average GT30R owner is hitting full boost at something around 4000 rpms give or take a few.

 

[enash99]

Bench racing is not allowed (i.e. "How much power will this setup put down?"). If you'd like to know, look at the link LiQUiDx provide and search through the dyno numbers.

Do you plan on doing all the maintenance before you build it or during the build? Keep in mind this is very important, especially if you want a 500hp daily driver. This can be a big chunk of money to do it all properly, so just keep that in mind.

Any reason for wanting a 500hp daily driver? I'm not opposed to this, but I think that building a car up that much just to daily drive it is a waste of money.

Now, you say you want full boost by 3500-3800. Just an FYI, I see full boost on a small 16g around 3500 RPMs. You really think you can get a 35r up to full boost under 4000 RPMs? If so, I want to see that!! So, with that in mind, you have a choice. You either need to deal with more lag or go with a smaller hp goal (which is possible on other turbos). Personally, for a daily driver, I'd want a car that is very peppy and not much lag. Maybe look into an HX35, 3065/3052, 50 trim, etc. Heck, there's people running big 16g's over 400hp!

As for your parts list:

I dont consider myself a bench racer. I realize i am new to this forum so I wont consider that an insult. As for why I want 500 HP. I guess I have been spoiled by my STI builds. I do build engines. I do tune, But i have lived in the EJ20/25 worlds. I have tune both FP red's and Greens for some mean numbers on STI blocks. they dont work well at all on the fully open deck EJ20. But the semi closed ej25 with nice supporting mods and the right head work and its an awesome thing to drive. My Goal is to reach 500 but not necessary, nor have I ever seen a build when someone is buying parts and say I want 500 then buy the time its built and tuned actually hit the excate number they wanted. More fall short of the goals than the amount that go over. I have seen many EVO's hit some nice numbers. As i know this does not have the supporting evo parts, head etc.. it still I feel has a nice potential to be a great daily high HP car, as stated on the 93 oct fuel, So sry if that was considered bench racing. So let me get this right, If someone on here has a pretty similar setup to some parts i want to chose and I ask what might and expected outcome be HP wise from what they may have dyno'd, give the tune and tons of other shit will be different, like atmospheric pressure depending on elevation as an example, tht would be considered bench racing on these forums? I just want to be clear as not to break the naughty rules. I will go research on evolutionm.net for a while till im adequate to post here. Thanks again for the links and info tho they are helpful in my decision to build my car.

And for and edit: the 4g63 is one of the most comonly built motors, for years and years it has been built and raced, im sure there are very few combos left from your comon major manufactures ( HKS, Greddy, Garrett, BC, etc..) that have yet to be used. So asking that question was very fair i feel, and it isnt considered bench racing, there was no racing in myquestions, if i said hey would these parts beenmy firends blown 03 cobra with his 2 stages of NOS and 2step? that is more bench "racing" than my question. and your a mod too. jeese.. chill. and there is a thread in your newbie section about us working on the evo viii and the 1g. I have one of my harnesses almost done. im excited!! im used to tuning with tactric cables and opensource software.

 

[snowborder714]

So let me get this right, If someone on here has a pretty similar setup to some parts i want to chose and I ask what might and expected outcome be HP wise from what they may have dyno'd, give the tune and tons of other shit will be different, like atmospheric pressure depending on elevation as an example, tht would be considered bench racing on these forums? I just want to be clear as not to break the naughty rules.

If someone has a very similar setup as you and you asked them what they dyno'd, that would not be bench racing. But if you asked what they thought they would dyno, that would be. Hard facts (dyno numbers, quarter mile times) are ok to talk about. But once you start asking theoretical/hypothetical questions, that's when it becomes bench racing.

Also, everyone's setup is different. I may be able to put down 350hp on a T-25, but someone else may only be able to put down 250hp with a similar setup. Each car, parts list, driver, and tuner is different, so it is very hard to compare sometimes.

 

[enash99]

If someone has a very similar setup as you and you asked them what they dyno'd, that would not be bench racing. But if you asked what they thought they would dyno, that would be. Hard facts (dyno numbers, quarter mile times) are ok to talk about. But once you start asking theoretical/hypothetical questions, that's when it becomes bench racing.

Also, everyone's setup is different. I may be able to put down 350hp on a T-25, but someone else may only be able to put down 250hp with a similar setup. Each car, parts list, driver, and tuner is different, so it is very hard to compare sometimes.

Well I dissagree with you about the theoretical part. I do agree with different setups. That's what I already said.. almost word for word.

 

[MrBoxx]

Any time you ask a question regarding estimated power levels or race times, it's considered bench racing here. Just a heads-up. This is the way we've always rolled here. This includes comparing one setup to another similar/identical setup. There are too many variables for anyone to make an educated guess, and what usually ends up happening is a bunch of arguing about what's possible. One guy responds that the setup will make 350, then another will say it'll make 275, then another will say both the previous guys are stupid and that it'll make 500, but only if you do THIS, then the first guy comes back in, calls the third guy an idiot, and so on and so forth.

So... we can tell you what kind of setups make 500hp on OTHER people's cars. But we can't promise it'll make any more than 200hp on yours.

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

I was thinking about 53mm comp side and not sure on the hot side. I do want to see full boost by 3500-3800. The 35R I can get it about 3800.

A 35r will NEVER see full boost below 4000rpms, it might start to build it but not FULL boost. You might need to a little more research.

 

[99gst_racer]

Bench racing removed.

Please don't ask us how much HP a set-up will make on your car or how fast it will go at a track. Those questions are considered bench racing here and will be deleted every time. The rest of the thread is fine. We can offer parts suggestions and offer insight on a part's performance or a car's build.

Good input thanks, So with a GT35R what is my expected RPM that I will be at full boost.

That depends on what you consider full boost, don't you think?

Bill is going to hit full boost quicker running 12 psi, rather than Bob at 35 psi.